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LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
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Can you explain the reason individuals can be sued for the HOA covenants. A new property owner is sueing the individuals and the HOA for loss because they were selling property stating there was no HOA when there actually was. Also if they are sueing the HOA are they liable for a share of the cost to defend?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By LynneK on 10/21/2023 11:07 AM
Can you explain the reason individuals can be sued for the HOA covenants. A new property owner is sueing the individuals and the HOA for loss because they were selling property stating there was no HOA when there actually was. Also if they are sueing the HOA are they liable for a share of the cost to defend?

Lynne I find you post confusing. Who was selling property? Is it that the new owner bought a piece of property not knowing there was an association/covenants?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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That's what it sounds like, in which case, I think this is more of a failure to disclose certain information regarding the house, which may be more of general real estate law. Some states mandate sellers disclose if the house is part of an HOA and even make available governing documents and certain financial information for review before the deal is finalized. Isn't that the reason for title insurance - part of the company's job would be to verify this? I don't know if you're involved in this situation, but if you are, you need to get to an attorney sooner rather than later.

On its face, I don't see where the HOA would be responsible because the sale was between the homeowners, not the HOA. You should receive HOA documents at closing. Before closing is preferred because you can then review them and decide if you want to proceed or walk away.

As for CCR enforcement, some Googling on the subject indicates if the CCRs are deeded, they run with the land, so any individual homeowner has legal standing to ensure that others comply. This can vary by state, especially if no one's enforced the CCRs in years (the board or individual homeowners). In that case, a judge may rule the CCRs have been "abandoned" and so they no longer apply. In other instances, the CCRs may stand as being enforceable even if the HOA is dissolved. Again, this is why you really need to consult a private attorney with these questions because what may be true in your state isn't necessarily true everywhere else.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Lynne,

As I understand you posting, an owner listed their property as not being in a deed restricted community ran by a Homeowners Association.

This owner lost the sale when it was disclosed that an HOA existed.

Due to this loss, they have chosen to bring legal action against the Association and each member of the Association (or is it each member of the Board) to recoup the loss.

If your Association is incorporated, then the individual should have only brought action against the Association.
If your Association is not incorporated, then the proper thing would be to bring action against all members (as their is no corporate shield).

Since the existence of an HOA and deed restrictions would have been found out in a title search, I don't see how the individual will win.
That said, it will likely cost some money to defend. Everyone should file a counter suit for reasonable attorney fees.

I'm surprised the individual found an attorney who would represent them for such a case.
LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank you for your response. You were right on the money with the situation. The part that gets me, was the title search and the HOA.(it is on record) I don't understand how they can claim they are not part of the HOA and blame us for their shady realtors. I feel a little better that we should have a decent chance of winning. Thank you
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Sounds weird. Usually the burden is on the seller to provide a community's CC&Rs to the buyer and disclose the fact that the property is in an HOA. So basically they're trying to sue the HOA for their own negligence. Given the hot real estate market in many parts of the country, there are probably potential buyers lined up and waiting for a sale to fall through.

Either the seller and the attorney are not among the world's great thinkers, or there is something else about this case that makes it less straightforward.

Anyway, as we often say around here, anyone can sue anyone else for any reason - but that doesn't mean they'll win.

LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
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Thanks for your help. I appreciate the response and information.
LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
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Yes they claim they didn't know, even though they were presented with the documents before the sale. Plus it is on record.
LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Yes they claim they didn't know, even though they were presented with the documents before the sale. Plus it is on record.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By LynneK on 10/21/2023 1:07 PM
Plus it is on record.
As in the Declaration is recorded with the county. Normally, that is game, set and match.

I suspect there is a lot more to this. Attorneys know they must not bring frivolous suits.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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How can the HOA be blamed if the seller did not provide the right documents to the prospective buyer? Did the prospective buyer read the title insurance policy, which surely shows there's an HOA.

I'm having a terrible time with Lynn's writing, so maybe someone else can tell me if I'm wrong.

Lynn: it would help me and maybe others if instead of "they," you write "seller," "buyer,", "HOA."

Also who is "we?" The HOA?
LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
Posted:
You nailed it How can the buyer blame the HOA because of the seller's omission. I am feeling a little more confident with the outcome of the lawsuit now. Again thanks for everyone's input. It has been helpful and I appreciate it.
LynneK (Colorado)
Posts: 8
Posted:
You nailed it How can the buyer blame the HOA because of the seller's omission. I am feeling a little more confident with the outcome of the lawsuit now. Again thanks for everyone's input. It has been helpful and I appreciate it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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This is something I had mentioned in the past as a potential lawsuit. Here is the deal... In some states it is required the seller provides the HOA documents to the buyer. They are to give them the CC&R's, by-laws, and Articles of Incorporation. Again this is SELLER responsibility. However, in many states it is considered the BUYER'S responsibility to be "informed" as the documents CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation are PUBLIC documents. The CC&R's being at local court house records department. The Articles of Incorporation at the State level. By-laws are a bit different. They are technically owned by the HOA itself. Not required to be published PUBLICLY but are often with the CC&R's. Almost like they are the same document in many HOA's. (It's confusing).

Have said that, this can cause people to think they can sue the HOA, seller, lawyers, title company, their realtor, or basically anyone whom sold them their home. It is because of this, that is why the documents are PUBLIC. None of these people wanted to be responsible for providing basically. A few states got in on the act to make it extend to Seller responsibility.

The lawsuit will most likely lose in court. At least for the HOA's portion as they are NOT responsible for providing public documents. If the seller was responsible in your state, then that is the party they must sue. The judge will most likely dismiss the case against the HOA but not the seller. The HOA may still have to hire legal assistance (No retainer necessarily) to defend/respond. The HOA can always countersue for something as well if needed. Otherwise it can ask the court to have the suing party pay for their legal bills for being dragged into court.

Now the other situation it can be is if someone is trying to sell a house. They lose the sell or expected profit due directly because it's in a HOA. The person may sue for the difference of perceived home value loss. Which they would have a difficult case. There would have to be someone who would go to court to claim they would not pay X amount for the house because it was in a HOA. Example: Houses are selling at $100K. The person selling sells theirs at $90K. A 10K loss. They have to prove in court that the 10K loss was a direct result of HOA existence. Today's economy this would be extremely hard to prove. House sale prices are on not on the rise in general. Basically the sell could be because of the "bubble" bursting in real estate. I would say they would have a nearly impossible case. Plus they would no longer be a HOA member to have the right to sue the HOA once they sold...

You would NOT need a real estate attorney. The HOA is a corporation. The HOA would need someone familiar with contractual laws or business. Good luck.

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