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VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
My treasurer has not allowed me or vice pres on bank account until this week. Now he tells me that I am not to over step my bounds when doing my job. Because he has taken up to a month to deposit checks some residents want me to receive the checks and I told them okay. He emails me and tells me that he handles all correspondences to the residences and I am stepping into his job. Legally am I able to operate things the way I would like... to keep things running smooth. I have complete support from Vice President and she is now trying to be put on the account. This has been going on over a year....Is it wrong to request certain duties from each person or if you are treasurer do you handle all things money and thats it? I really want to do whats right...Please help...
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Usually duties of officers are listed in the bylaws. If the treasurer is not performing his/her duties as outlined in the bylaws, then the entire board needs to come up with a solution, not just one officer.

Timely deposits and reporting is a requirement of whomever does that job. But a paid bookkeeper can do all those duties, too. The treasurer only makes sure the job is done correctly and reports to the Board.

Even though you are president, there is no "my" treasurer. She is an officer on the same level as all other officers.

VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
I like to think of all of us as a team but there are no bylaws. We are a new HOA and after a year+ not being able to see if any money is being spent or deposited you get frustrated and ask for help. So when I refer to the treasurer or the vice president as "my" I truly am saying this as my team members. Do you have any suggestions when there are no bylaws? When there are no bylaws and no cooperation from the treasurer what next?
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Vickie:

If there are no Bylaws then the duties of the officers really never change and are already a standard in the industry, of course there is much more to this list but here is a brief sysnopsis:

President is a good speaking, is the chairperson at every meeting, schedules the meetings, documents the agenda's for the meetings, signs certain documents and is in the leader's role.

VP stands in when the president cannot also lends that helping hand in all aspects of the duties of the board.

Treasurer handles the receivables, payables, gives suggestions to the board on reserves, handles late notices, liens, collection actions.

Secretary also signs certain documents, takes the Minutes at every meeting, types and disburses them, reads them at the meetings to adopy and approve.

Member at Large usually takes care of committees. Now each officer hold 1-vote and has no more power than the rest, execpt for the duties they poess.

In my book, "A Guide to Community Living" I have a much more comprehensive listing of these duties. you may purchase the book through the Publisher at www.PublishAmerica.com/books/4573

I would suggest that as a board it is your duty to to set policies and standards, the entire board should come up with proceedures that will make each member happy.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
VickiD1: We have asked you if you have proof that your HOA is indeed an officially recorded Community Association. Have you spoken with the local authorities/municipality to learn if the Developer has recorded with them?

It seems you have no recorded documents to follow; that's why I am asking again, and why this is of utmost importance. Is the developer still on the scene and running things, and does he have his 'appointed' people in roles of authority?

VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Documentation: Certificate of Incorportion
Articles of Incorporation
Reservations and Covenants
Minutes from the Meeting Electing us All

Are we missing something, please let me know so we can work on this. The Developer is no longer in the scene and they have made that very clear to me. There has only been the 3 of us.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
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Posted By VickiD1 on 01/22/2008 7:23 PM
My treasurer has not allowed me or vice pres on bank account until this week. Now he tells me that I am not to over step my bounds when doing my job. Because he has taken up to a month to deposit checks some residents want me to receive the checks and I told them okay. He emails me and tells me that he handles all correspondences to the residences and I am stepping into his job. Legally am I able to operate things the way I would like... to keep things running smooth. I have complete support from Vice President and she is now trying to be put on the account. This has been going on over a year....Is it wrong to request certain duties from each person or if you are treasurer do you handle all things money and thats it? I really want to do whats right...Please help...

VickiD1 - I do not see where you stated you are President. So...what is your role on the Board? If as President, you chair each meeting, and while your governing documents may state that President and Treasurer can not hold a dual officership, that in no way should negate your ability or any Director's ability to inquire and receive information pertaining to all association related matters that can legally be made public. If the Treasurer wants to be a pain the @$$ than you can always make the request to the Board c/o the Management for the information you seek.
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
I am the president. The vice president and I have been trying to work this person and the treasurer just makes everything so difficult that we have to focus on small things like just seeing the bank statement and making sure the money is being used or not used properly. Which is huge if it isn't being used properly but small when everything is okay. A year+ to get to look at a bank statement, thats after he closed the account and opened back up at the same bank. So I can not see any activity for the past year because the vice and I were not on that account. Now you can sort of see what I am up against...Hopefully....
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Vicki .
It is normal operating proceedure to have at least 3 signatures on any accounts of the Association, more if the ByLaws state that more are required. The President and Treasurer are always on any accounts no matter what the Treasurer wants.

Why do you not have access to the previous years statements and ledgers? Demand them as a Board action. Remember that there is strength in numbers and before a meeting of the Board will give you support from the membership. My guess is that they were done in a poor format or maybe just on sheets of yellow paper and are not in any order or understandable. Probably no fraud involved, just total amaturish bookkeeping.
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
My concern is alarming the property owners needlessly. This person is not from this country and I am afraid that this will cause some alarm. I also want to tread lightly aswell not to offend but a year are we being unreasonable. In one case it took a month to make a deposit. So I offered to have the checks sent to me so to have timely deposits and he said I was over stepping my bounds. I just want the money to be secure and the property owners happy. I feel I am failing being so new at this.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Vicki, Vicki, Vicki.....Again, HAS THE DEVELOPER COMPLETED THE OFFICIAL TRANSITION AND TURNOVER TO RESIDENT CONTROL? Yes or No. For the developer
to 'no longer in the scene' does not answer the question.

VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Yes Yes Yes They have even moved on from this area. I really don't know what you are looking for ...
JoeK1 (Michigan)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Your role problem is a classic mistake that many organizations/teams make during the initial stages of setting up their association -- role confusion or diagreement. This should be one of the first items addressed when a new team, or a new team member, arrives on the scene. If you don't address it up front, it will come back to haunt you.

There are two important ingredients for a successful Board: One is getting the best people to serve as members and the other is making sure that they know what they are supposed to do. Too many Boards fall into the categories of; “rubber stamps" that dutifully follow the lead of the association’s president; micro managers" who get too caught up in the day-to-day operations of the organization and can't delegate to those responsible for making things happen; or “ineffective” who can’t make decisions, particularly tough decisions that may be unpopular with some members.

Most governing describe officer’s duties in very broad terms, leaving lots of opportunity for role confusion, overlaps, and/or omissions. As with any effective team, BoD members can’t perform effectively if role questions or overlaps are present. Don’t leave people to figure out things on their own. Get rid of role ambiguity. Nail down every person’s responsibilities with clarity, precision, and attention to detail. There should be no question regarding where one job stops and the next one starts.

As President, you should prepare a draft BoD roles & responsibility document that describes the role for each position in considerably more detail than may be provided in the govening documents, if any. This in turn, should be given to the BoD members for their concurrence, modifications or suggestions for improvement. Approving each other’s roles and responsibilities should then be discussed and approved at your next Board meeting.

Sample Roles & Responsibilities (R&R) for Association officers can be found through various Association websites or search engines. You should customize them so that they fit any unique situations you may have. Besides R&R clarification, there are likely many other elements of your business management infrastructure that must be addressed by your Board, in order to make it an effective one.

Located at www.***********.com under the Contents section, will give you a check list of items that should be in place during the initial year of operation. Since you apparently are an already established Association, it might provide a guide as to what topics should be revisited and addressed by your Board.

Good Luck
JoeK
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Vicki
First of all, thank you for the compliment on your other post. I try very hard to follow the laws, Statutes and what is the right thig to do when I answer the posts. Sometimes we agree and some times we don't but we are all here because we love what we do.

Overstepping your bounds he says? The President of an association is the keeper of the Board and is entitled to any and all goings on of the association as is every member in good standing. That is what you all were elected to do and that is to work as a unit to care for your community and association.

The most important way to acheive this is to make sure that any and all of this is made aware to the community. But it sounds like you are very small in number of members.
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Thanks Joe thats what I need to hear, contruction suggestions. I will read this again and also check out the check lists. Thank you for taking the time and guiding the honest hearted newbie. Anything else you can think of please leave here for me...thanks again!!!
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
You know when you hear that" you are overstepping you bounds" it puts me in a state to not want to hurt someones feelings but I am accountable for this as much as any one else. So I have emailed and asked for a meeting among the 3 of us. I want to work as a unit. This to me is a challenging mind set that I have a place and I should stay in it. When we should all be looking after each other. So is it unreasonalbe if some members want me to get the check because I am able to deposit it much faster? You know our seniors have so many worries and if that makes them comfortable, is that "overstepping my bounds" as the treasurer feels this is as well. He also feels that it is not needed that someone other than him audits the account. I feel to protect all of us we should do this reguarly....what are your thoughts?
SharonM3 (Virginia)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Vicki,
You are not out-of-bounds for asking for the financials. Whether the MC or the treasurer prepares the financial reports, they should be done and distributed to every board member. Every board member has a fiduciary responsibility to the assn, which you would be shirking by not asking/demanding to see the financials on an ongoing basis. Btw, does your association have insurance, including for Directors and Officers (D&O) and is the treasurer bonded (and at an appropriate level)?
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
I am scared to say NO but NO. I will contact my insurance company now. I did not even know about that. Where should the treasurer get bonded and what is the insurance for?
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Sharon are the rules and regs for VA and WV close at all. Do you know that off hand. You are the closes person to me I think I have talked to.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Vicki,
D. and O. insurance is a policy that insures all of the BOD against fraud and liability suits from the membership. Without it, Boards could be open to lawsuits, some valid and some frivolous. No Board should ever operate without it. Someone should have a copy of it. Is there a management company involved in your association?
VickiD1 (West Virginia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
There is no management company. It is just 15 properties owned by 12 people and 3 of us are on the board. I have contacted my insurance agent and I am waiting for a response. Thank you for the heads up.

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