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KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
One of our homeowners asked the board why do other HOAs have more amenities and nicer looking common property, but pay less in HOA dues. She wants the board to get feedback from other HOAs in the area and see if we are over-paying.

First off, can anyone provide feedback on operational costs/homeowner you see in your area?

Second, I am curious how other HOAs deal with these kind of questions.

I ask this because what I see primarily is a lack of homeowner participation. The past 2-3 years I have been on the board and have made great efforts to lower the operational costs. We have been very successful with it. Example: Previously, we were barely ending the year with $1,000 above the operational costs. After 1 year, we made significant changes to contracts and ended up with $15,000 above operational costs (which includes a set amount that now goes to Reserves per month/year). The following year, some of that backslid unfortunately due to rising costs claimed by contractors and we're now closer to $10,000/yr above operational costs.

Her question and the way it was stated, kind of bothers me, because we have always made this information available. We have held special meetings to discuss where we are headed and why. Yet we get few homeowners who even show up and virtually none that get involved in committees. This is not a new homeowner, but they only see the $ that comes out of their pocket and not what changes have taken place and the direction we are heading. We are on a path to lower dues, but many steps need to happen first. The recent Reserve Study pointed out concerns we need to address in 2008 which will cut our reserves almost in half. But at least we DID a reserve study, instead of making claims that we needed to raise dues without a reserve study to back it up, as out previous management company had essentially done.

So I am curious, whether other HOAs are experiencing the same level of homeowner apathy. In a way I am glad she is at least asking questions. But when they use words to blow off other statements already given, it's kind of insulting and aggravating to deal with them.

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I feel I have had similiar experiences being on the BOD. Many HO's feel they can
"give you the assignment" and you need to do it. I often suggest back to them that they should organize and take charge of a committee to do simply what they are requesting. That usually ends the "deep concern."

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
KevinH - You state, "other HOA's", so there is some comparisons occurring. You also state numerous areas in which the funds you do collect are being wisely re-invested. Me thinks the homeowner who asked the question, and all owners in your HOA would benefit from (yet another) presentation explaining "Where Your Maintenance Fees Go".

Who's to say that the "other HOA's" are investing wisely. They could be in the red, who knows. How long have these "other HOA's" been established, etc.?

Homeowner apathy is the scourge of all HOA's because I have seen all too often that rogue Boards, and the professionals they contract, feed on it and smother those that speak up and take an interest.
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
Well the comparisons being made are from her side, so perhaps she could go back to the ones she has spoken with (or provide us the names of the HOAs to follow up with) and find out if we can make any comparisons that apply to her concerns. I like the idea of having her take lead on it in the form of a committee. Let her put some effort into it; I have plenty of things on my plate before our annual meeting.

As for holding another presentation, well I do that annually (and will again this upcoming annual meeting), we have held special meetings, and we have posted the presentation in two formats on the online group forum that she raised the question on. I am certainly not seeking to smother, nor withold information from our homeowners. That is why I created the online forum in the first place, to make our board more accessible and the management of the HOA more transparent to the homeowners.

Homeowner apathy is just simply discouraging when progress is being made in a positive light.

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
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Posted By KevinH on 01/22/2008 3:05 PM
One of our homeowners asked the board why do other HOAs have more amenities and nicer looking common property, but pay less in HOA dues. She wants the board to get feedback from other HOAs in the area and see if we are over-paying.

This seems to be a simple one to answer for her. HOAs are non-profits, so the owner's normally pay an equal share of annual expenses, plus reserve funds. You cannot compare one HOA to another looking from the outside. You could compare budget line items to see if you are paying too much for management, landscaping, etc (if other HOAs will share that with you).

Maybe this member would like to work on the budget committee and seek ways to save costs? She needs to understand that the formula is a simple one and has only to do with the costs of running your HOA, not others. Maybe you are overpaying for services in some areas, maybe not? You also need to ensure reserve funds are being accumulated properly as well.

Developers sometimes lower HOA dues during build out and leave HOAs with little to no reserves at turnover....this could be a cause of lower dues in new communities.

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GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
A budget is made with income and expenditures for the year, keeping in mind building a reserve to cover the costs of the amendities. To compare with other communities would be like comparing apples to oranges unless your HOA and another were exact in lot sizes, amount of homes, contracts the same, insurance premiums the same, if you have an MC their services and price the same and of course amenities. To me a budget is unique to that HOA and all aspects of that HOA should be taken into consideration during the budget worksessions.

Sounds like you have done a good job in reducing costs in an economy of prices rising all around us. Keep up the good work.
TomS11 (Florida)
Posts: 29
Posted:
keven, since your assoc. has the apathy problem like most do,why not take this oppertunity to turn it around at least for one member. put it on the agenda and vote to form acommitte to compare hoa costs in your area she can be the whole committe . give her all she needs to conduct her study docs financals ect. and in the process she might become a informed usefull member, or at least come to realize what is intailed with being a bod and come away with a new outlook.
KrystaT (Florida)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Hi Kevin,

I was on the "outside" as a homeowner, now I'm on the BOD, first sec., now pres. I can say you really don't realize how much it costs to run a HOA until you're in the seat. It's easy to scrutinize when you're on the outside looking in. She might be feeling the extra finacial pressure that a lot of us are feeling right now, and looking for a way to lower her assessments. I'm new to the BOD, but not new to P.R.
Maybe the best thing to do would be offer her and any other member more info. even if you have already done it. Offer to let her call around and get bids, then compare with what you cuurently have. Remind her the lowest price or bid is not always the best service. I know it seems like she's unjustly questioning you, try not to take it personal.
At least she is trying to participate, not in the manner you would like to see her participate, but you can work with her to get in on a positive side.

AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
You do not say whether you have a pool or two.... a golf course, etc
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
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Posted By AlexL1 on 01/23/2008 11:12 AM
You do not say whether you have a pool or two.... a golf course, etc

We have none of the above.
What we have unfortunately, are a lot of little pieces of land scattered across our neighborhood to include small roads and sidewalks that create the cul-de-sac environment, beyond the city-owned streets.

Therefore the costs go to maintaining the greenbelt (sprinkler system, tree trimming, lawn maintenance), the Management Company fees and variable admin costs, the utilities (ie water - esp in Texas where it gets very dry in the summer), property taxes and insurance, and collections efforts that may not be reimbursed for long periods of time.

Add to that a relatively small base of homeowners compared to the original design of the development (ie. The developer went bankrupt just after completing phase 1, leaving phase 2 & 3 out of the HOA completely) and discover that we are a 24 yr old HOA that was drained of any reserves by unscrupulous management companies and apthetic homeowners. Finally include the cost of maintaining/repairing/replacing the cement sidewalks & parking areas and the asphalt roads that will chew up mouch of our reserves this year and several years to come and the picture of where we are starts to form.

I will certainly give the committee concept a go, though this homeowner already says she doesn't have time to be on the BOD. We'll see if she or any others will commit to such research efforts.

Thanks for all the responses thus far.

Kevin

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
See if this complainer wants to head up the Beautification Committee. Some pots with low maintenance flowers, drought-proof shrubs and gravel can really spruce up a commons area. Makes people feel good, too, about living there.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
Hi Kevin - It certainly seems to me that you have an excellent grasp on the answer to the home owner's inquiry and that she may not hear it due to the rock that she chooses to live under. LOL.

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