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BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:

So, we have an Open Meeting coming up soon; it’s the one where we historically adopt our budget for next year. We have a new Treasurer (nT) who is working to come up with a budget proposal.

To be blunt and without going into details, I’m not confident that nT will have a good proposal ready. We have a ‘pre-meeting’ meeting scheduled the day before to go over what they plan to propose - even with that, I’m concerned that nT won’t get it right{1}.

My question is: what’s the best way to handle things if nT botches it?

Am I taking it too seriously, and we should just go with the flow - “it’s just a budget!”?

Do we simply not approve the budget (In front of the Open Meeting audience)?

Do we attempt to “fix” the budget live and on the spot? (which could drag on and on)(although if there are only trivial changes, this is probably the way to go).

Can we adjourn and reconvene if it turns into several hours of work?

Do we not approve, back to the drawing board, and set up another Open Meeting to try to approve it again?

I’m just wondering if anyone’s dealt with this, and what they did, and how it turned out?

Bill

{1} to give you an example of my concerns: on 4 separate occasions, nT has expressed that they want to allocate money for something that is happening in Nov 2023; each time I’ve reminded them that the budget they’re working on is for 2024.

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Developing a budget isn't the sole responsibility of the treasurer, although he or she may do more of the numbers crunching because the treasurer is supposed to be more familiar with them.

All of you knew this was a new treasurer- what did you do to make sure he/she was comfortable with the duties? Is there a former treasurer around who could assist? The property manager could also help- did anyone ask for assistance? How did this person come to be treasurer anyway- did y'all say "we need a new treasurer-anyone interested?" This person said "yeah sure, I'll do it and the rest of you said ok?

If you're that concerned about the budget, have a talk with the treasurer and see how things are going, and ask if he/she needs help. Make sure they get it and then the ENTIRE board can review the budget and ask questions. If you need to delay the vote until the next meeting to get this straight, do it.

I was board treasurer and we started working on next year in August because we'd begin by reviewing regular contractors to see if we were happy with the work, needed to renegotiate a contract or find another. Budget preparation took priority at our meetings through November when we'd vote because our documents require homeowners receive the new budget and the assessment by Dec. 1.

It may be your board simply leaves this to one person to figure out so they can blame him or her if things go sideways. Just like rule enforcement at your pool - do you need to be reminded of how that went this year? Either everyone works together on this or you all take the fall - because you should.

All of that said, budgets are guides at best because you don't know for certain what will happen next year, but they're critical because you know what needs to be funded and you get a good idea of what things will cost and what you should monitor. This is everyone's money, not just yours or the treasurer and board members have a duty to plan and manage the association's assets. Having one helps prevent waste and indecision, so you might be overthinking this a bit.

Focus on that pre meeting to endure everything's covered and go from there, Be prepared to show homeowners the numbers, especially if there will be an increase in assessments. Focus on the positive thing the association did this year and what you're doing to control costs. Be honest and you should be OK. Good luck.

And next year consider getting some training for all the board members on working together and best practices.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
What are the chances that a board majority will agree on the changes that you think are needed?

If good, outvote the treasurer.

If a board majority is fine with myriad erroneous estimates, go with the flow. Board majority controls. And continue wisely to keep in mind that the budget is only a guide. Try not to let this set up internal conflict. (At least, I know I would struggle with obviously wrong line items on the budget.)

If the treasurer ends up resigning, then I hope someone can step into his/her shoes.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill

Unless there have been major changes the typical budget is the same as last year. Also a budget is a best guess versus being cast in concrete.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our Board has had similar situations many times, BillD We're 200 condos in twin tower high rises, so there's tons of elements in our operating budget plus we have at least 80 components in our reserves studies (yes,pural)

Our Board met last week and approved the budget for 2024 after about an hour of deliberations, feedback from owners & "further" discussion. There'd been an open meeting on the "draft budget" two weeks ago. In my 14 years on our Boards, I think we've had at least two open board meetings on the budget. Our budget and reserves stay summary in due to owners in CA 12/1 (or 11/30).

So, Bill, your Do we attempt to “fix” the budget live and on the spot?" comes first. Probably won't work, so then "Do we simply not approve the budget," Correct..
"Can we adjourn and reconvene if it turns into several hours of work?" Absolutely. "Do we not approve, back to the drawing board, and set up another Open Meeting to try to approve it again?" Yes.

Budgets ARE important and should be taken very seriously. As Shelia notes, though the Treasurer ONLY makes a recommendation, which is your starting point for deliberation. JohnC also points out that many items in your operating budget are the same as last year plus, of course, inflation.

If your contribution to reserve form the budget has been too skimpy, you'll want to increase that, perhaps for 2024. Your reserves analyst probably has. given you a report?

Do not worry that discussions, questions & deliberations take a lot of time. In fact, I'd advise the Board beforehand to be prepared to have a long meeting. It's OK to not approve this budget. In my experience, owners in attendance appreciate a Board that takes one of its most important tasks very seriously.

Our Board's treasurer this year was a total idiot who' didn't understand the budget even though he "chaired" our Finance Committee. Much of the Board's information & recs come from our PM & his MC's accounting arm.

Is your PM not involved with your budget crafting, Bill?

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Thank you, everyone. You've given me a bit of perspective. It helps.

Kerry - everything about my HOA is so massively dysfunctional that I despair of writing about it, and I suspect y'all are tired of hearing about it.

The one thing I'll tell you is that our neighborhood's PMC was acquired by another PMC and so no, we can't just take last year's budget and adjust for inflation.

And - 3 weeks later - DBLady is still after my ass.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Bill,
The only thing I would add to what has already been said is more on what Kerry finished with. The PM and the PMC have all of the YTD details and should have a working document that the board can review and make the minor changes and tweaks. I would not be placing blame on the treasurer in this case. It's the PMs job silly.

You also never really said if a dues increase is on the table. If yes details should be provided, and the board needs to be ready to defend the increase. The treasurer did not make this happen and does not carry the burden. If no increase is needed, then it should be very simple. The board is still ironing out the details, but the good news is dues will remain the same in 2024.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
With MarkM: of course your new PMC has the budget from '23. Yes, y'all go over it line item by line item and make adjustments based on your expenditures so far for this year. Sometimes, you final financials for 2022 might be good guide. If your PMC does not have it, who does???

When is your approved budget due to Owners per Texas statute?

Look, if you need a 3rd budget meeting so be it. It's far better if all directors get some grasp of your budget. I remember one long-ago year, when many directors here were new and I wasn't yet interested in the budget, that the accounting VP from our mgt. company guided the Board through the work of preparing the budget. I was very much "in" from then on. Owners were invited, but only a couple came.

I told you our Board voted for a final approval the other night. Something came up, though, and I'm pretty sure they will need 3rd open budget meeting. WE also have a director returning to the Board on this Wed., our Annual Meeting. He's a shoo-in to be elected as he was great until a stroke felled his 14 months ago & he resigned. He's been in lotsa therapy and is at helm in. wheelchair and does have the use of one hand for typing. He's speech is bit good.

The main thing is that he had become very skilled with understanding our complex budget and reserves. So I'm sure he'll add something to the current verse ion of the boar'd approved budget. I relate this story to show that budgets ARE important and the more that skilled folks are involved, the better.

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