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CarolynA1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our Condominium Association hired a management company who takes minutes at our meetings. The meeting minutes are frequently wrong. However, our homeowner meeting minutes are significantly wrong for 2022 (to be approved at our 2023 meeting next week). I have repeatedly in writing tried to correct the minutes. The minutes state that I (by name) seconded motions and voted for the actions which I did not and then state that the vote was unanimous. The DRAFT minutes came out the end of January and I sent 'written' corrections. The new DRAFT Minutes (to be approved next week) have not been corrected but a statement put below each entry that 'I objected for the record' attributing these actions to me. The Board has a majority vote (they own the most units combined) and I believe the Minutes will get approved by them without my corrections. What can I do?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Have you proof that you voted as you did at the homeowner meeting and that you did not second the motions?

You could certainly hire an attorney to send a demand letter.

Alternatively, save your money and be satisfied with the statement that was added, saying you objected for the record.

JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Ellen, Your "save your money" statement is priceless. As a "return to the BOD" volunteer, I appreciate your take and comments on these issues.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Merci, Jackie.

The OP's board may be clueless in general, but here, their compromise is not so bad. It's way better than flatly refusing any correction, IMO.

JackieB4, I hope the rogue directors on your board are not being too awful these days.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Ellen, I related to OP's incorrect minutes issue. Our's are written to give a positive glow on PMC management; thus, corrections are frequently submitted, although I choose to PICK MY BATTLES. Rogue Board remains evil, non-transparent, "the same" ... but having raised 5 kids through teen-hood, this is water off my back. All Good!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By JackieB4 on 10/14/2023 9:23 AM
Ellen, I related to OP's incorrect minutes issue. Our's are written to give a positive glow on PMC management; thus, corrections are frequently submitted, although I choose to PICK MY BATTLES. Rogue Board remains evil, non-transparent, "the same" ... but having raised 5 kids through teen-hood, this is water off my back. All Good!
I too have seen this. I loathe HOA secretaries who editorialize in favor of friends (like the manager; good lord) and against their perceived adversaries. They are all gossips and unprofessional. I feel for the OP, you and countless others who have such boobs for secretaries and board majorities who approve this nonsense.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By ElleN on 10/14/2023 9:32 AM
Posted By JackieB4 on 10/14/2023 9:23 AM
Ellen, I related to OP's incorrect minutes issue. Our's are written to give a positive glow on PMC management; thus, corrections are frequently submitted, although I choose to PICK MY BATTLES. Rogue Board remains evil, non-transparent, "the same" ... but having raised 5 kids through teen-hood, this is water off my back. All Good!
I too have seen this. I loathe HOA secretaries who editorialize in favor of friends (like the manager; good lord) and against their perceived adversaries. They are all gossips and unprofessional. I feel for the OP, you and countless others who have such boobs for secretaries and board majorities who approve this nonsense.

Sorry to say but the editorializing does happen quite often.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
At the meeting when the presider asks for approval of the minutes, which the presider must do, raise your hand and politely and state the errors and request corrections. Say, "Please make the following corrections: I did not 2nd cxx; I did not vote in favor of xx, xx or xx.

Say, waitaminute. Since it was a meeting of the members, weren't the motions made by members?? If a meeting of the members, the member approve (or not) the meeting minutes, NOT the Board. So, it's the member who'd approve your corrections. Are you on the Board?

Next, if a meeting of the members (owners), why were there so many motions. Usually it's just meeting left directors and maybe a budget topic.
Am I misunderstanding the issue?

Curious: what size is your HOA?
CarolynA1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you for your responses. our HOA is 27 units strong with one additional unit owned by the Association (no vote). Our Board of Directors: 1 owns 6 units, 1 owns 4 units, each of 3 members own 1 each. That is 13 votes out of 27. The Board usually gets from 2-4 proxies and 1 other unit owner usually votes with the Board. So, the rest of us really don't have a majority vote. Our Board even re-elects themselves each year. Not sure how we break that cycle. I believe ALL Governing documents must be complied with. I don't think you should pick and choose what rules to follow and what are 'lesser' rules. The Board will and has voted to approve the Minutes even though they have errors. This time, they chose to use my name to second the budget approval and even though I didn't vote for it, they chose to declare the vote unanimous. Any suggestions how to get the Board to resign? I have called for the Treasurer to resign for 3 years in a row. It takes the Board majority to vote him out (with or without cause) and of course they haven't. I believe I am caught between a rock and a hard place. These 5 people make up 'stuff' and the rest of us have no say. Thanks for any suggestions. I was on the Board (always a 4 to 1 vote) and I resigned because I wanted the Board to follow the rules.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By CarolynA1 on 10/14/2023 1:43 PM
Thank you for your responses. our HOA is 27 units strong with one additional unit owned by the Association (no vote). Our Board of Directors: 1 owns 6 units, 1 owns 4 units, each of 3 members own 1 each. That is 13 votes out of 27. The Board usually gets from 2-4 proxies and 1 other unit owner usually votes with the Board. ... I believe I am caught between a rock and a hard place.
It may help to keep reading here. What you are facing is pretty common.

The good news is that, at least to me, the numbers above suggest to me that a well-run campaign, with candidates willing to replace the bad apples on the board, seems possible. The competent HOA attorneys advise replacing directors as the best of all bad options to get a board complying with the covenants and statutes.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The meeting hasn't occurred yet, Carolyn if I understand you right. So even if the majority of the owners do not accept your amendments to the minutes, at least your neighbor heard you say that they are incorrect.

If the meeting presider asks, as s/he should, "are there any amendments?" Do reply with your corrections. If the premier doesn't following this standard procedure, you can try to call "Point of order: we owners must have the opportunity to amend the minutes if needed." At least over owners ill know or continue to know that someone in thier HOA is trying to follow correct processes.

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