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RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I own a condo in Valdosta, GA, and until recently, I served as the Vice President of the HOA. I decided to step back from my role temporarily while we contemplated some crucial decisions that needed to be made by the board. Recently, our community faced the aftermath of a hurricane, which damaged two buildings. These incidents involved falling trees that caused extensive damage. In one of the buildings, a tree completely obliterated the staircase leading to the top unit, a two-story unit. Thankfully, no one suffered any harm during these events. In the other building, a tree fell onto the roof, with branches penetrating through, exposing the unit to the elements, including rain. Fortunately, the tenant who resided in this unit was indoors at the time and remained unharmed. Additionally, one of our units experienced damage from flooding, and there was some harm to the vinyl siding on several buildings.

I've provided this context to help you understand the situation. After assessing the extent of the damage and consulting with the insurance company to file a claim, we were informed that the deductible for these repairs would be $17,000 for two-bedroom units and $21,000 for three-bedroom units. In response, the board and our property manager convened a meeting to discuss the extent of the damage and expected expenses. We decided to cover the costs for the unit that suffered flooding since it amounted to significantly less than the deductible we would have to pay. However, our operating budget needed to be more adequate to cover the expenses for the other two buildings.
Consequently, the board determined that an assessment of the owners would be necessary. Only after we decided the assessment amount could we inform our owners, some of whom own multiple units, about the damage and the expenses they would need to bear for the two buildings struck by trees. The total cost of the assessment for the deductibles was calculated to be $34,000. We recognized the importance of justifying these expenses to our owners but were faced with the challenge of insufficient funds to cover all the necessary repairs. It's worth noting that if a hurricane had not caused the damage, the deductible would have been considerably lower, possibly allowing us to cover the repair expenses without needing a significant assessment.
Once the decision to proceed with the assessment was made, we calculated the amount each unit owner would be responsible for. The total assessment cost of $34,000, divided among our 56 units, equated to $600 per unit. The board promptly notified all owners via mail, outlining the details of the incurred expenses and the reasons behind the assessment. A due date was established, allowing a 30-day window for owners to submit their payments. Additionally, it was communicated that a penalty of $25 would be imposed on any owner who failed to meet the payment deadline. It's important to note that we explored various options, including breaking down the payment into three installments. However, there were concerns about expediting repairs, covering the deductibles promptly to allow the insurance companies to assess and pay for repairs, and fulfilling our financial obligations to contractors ready to initiate the repair work.

Regrettably, some owners questioned their responsibility for the $600 assessment we had determined. They believed only the owners whose units were directly affected should bear this cost. This disagreement highlighted a significant disconnect between what the HOA and the owners perceived as their responsibilities. The HOA had already consulted with our retained attorney to explore our rights and options before deciding to assess the cost of repairs to the owners. We were informed that we had the legal authority to evaluate the cost of damages to the owners.

I apologize for the lengthy response. My question is straightforward. In this situation, what rights do both the HOA and the owners have, and could we have explored alternative options to mitigate the financial burden on owners? I'm interested in your perspective on how you would approach this scenario and whether there are more effective alternatives to alleviate the financial strain we're placing on owners.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I hear you that an attorney has already considered the situation. In my opinion, for people here to give informed comments, a review of what the CC&Rs say about responsibility is needed. It's quite common for condominium CC&Rs to say that the HOA is allowed to assess only those owners who live in a building needing significant repairs, due to an accident or weather incident. One has to know what to look for in the CC&Rs.

Otherwise, I expect probably the biggest problem here is the board needs to have the backbone to follow the law and the covenants; assess as allowed in the covenants; and follow up with collections as needed. There should be zero emotion in this, because obviously making these repairs is in the best interests of the HOA.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Much appreciated! We are fully aware of our responsibilities and are actively implementing the decisions we've made. Regarding owners fulfilling their assessment fee obligations, they are well-informed about the expectations and the steps the HOA is prepared to take to ensure their compliance.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Much appreciated! We are fully aware of our responsibilities and are actively implementing the decisions we've made. Regarding owners fulfilling their assessment fee obligations, they are well-informed about the expectations and the steps the HOA is prepared to take to ensure their compliance.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Ramon, I suggest you quote verbatim here all the sections of your CC&Rs that speak to who is responsible for paying for repairs to buildings. If the CC&Rs do not allow the HOA to assess only those owners in the damaged buildings, I would be surprised.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ramon

Why are you even paying attention to those that do not want to pay versus your lawyer's advice?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Condo owner and former board member here.

As ElleN suggested, you should look in your CC&Rs. There should be sections that define Unit, Common Elements, and Limited (Exclusive Use) Common Elements. There should also be a section that describes Unit Owner responsibilities. Usually, a condo owner is responsible for repairs to their Unit, and the association is responsible for repairs to the Common Elements. Limited Common Elements can vary - in some communities they're Unit Owner responsibility, and in others the association takes care of them.

Then there is insurance. Insurance comes in two varieties. One is all-included, where the association's master policy will cover repairs to portions of the Units if there is an insurable event. The other is "bare-walls" insurance in which the master policy only covers Common Elements (and Limited Common Elements if those are the association's responsibility). Your CC&Rs will have a section that discusses insurance, and it will say which kind of insurance your community must carry.

So... a hurricane is an insurable event. Where this gets tricky is in cases where the association chooses not to put in a claim because repair costs are less than the deductible. If you have all-included insurance, does this mean that the association will also pick up repair costs to the Units that would have been covered by the master policy? That's a question for your insurance agent. I can't remember a similar incident in my community, so I really don't know what would happen in this case. So sort that out first.

I'm sorry to tell the other homeowners who don't want to pay for the costs of repairs that the Common Elements and Limited Common Elements belong to all of them, not just to the persons whose homes were damaged. That's what condo ownership is about, unfortunately. Their personal condo owner insurance (HO6) policies *may possibly* cover some of this, and they can talk to their insurance agents about it.

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
What has the Condo insurance company stated is their responsibility?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It should be stated that not paying a special assessment does fall under items the HOA can lien for. That is because they count as dues assessments. The HOA is funded ONLY by it's members FOR it's members. One can't pick and choose whom pays and whom doesn't. All the HOA can do is take the whole amount and divide evenly amongst ALL the members. Those whom don't like it, can complain and get a lien if not paid.

We had a tree fall on a house in our neighborhood. The HOA deductible was 20K. We have 107 homes. The HOA ended up only paying $1500 dollars for the tree cleanup. Why? Because the homeowner's insurance kicks in for the internal damages. The HOA kicks in for the EXTERNAL.

Make sure your HOA isn't over reaching it's responsibilities by wanting to play the "nice guy". The truth is there is a dividing line with insurances. In our case the tree was on our common property. It was on the next door neighbor's side. It crashed through a fence and the back side of a kitchen/dining room. The tree was infested with Pine Beetles which caused it to fall. The person whom owned the house the tree was in was uninsured. The home that had tree fall on it was insured. Their insurance paid the claim and then went after the uninsured party. The HOA's ONLY responsibility was to get the tree debris removed as it was on our common property. A condo/house isn't common property necessarily. The areas around it most likely are.

Former HOA President
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I believe I made it clear that we are adhering to the guidance provided by our lawyer. However, I'm curious if there might be more effective alternatives to lessen the financial strain imposed on the owners.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
No issue with the insurance company. They will cover expenses for repairs. We just need to pay a 34K deductible for both buildings.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By RamonR1 on 10/10/2023 4:11 PM
I believe I made it clear that we are adhering to the guidance provided by our lawyer. However, I'm curious if there might be more effective alternatives to lessen the financial strain imposed on the owners.

If I understood your first post correctly, it sounds like the insurance proceeds from a claim would be close enough to the actual cost of repairs that the association is opting for paying out of pocket rather than putting in the claim.

This is a reasonable approach in states where insurance premiums are shooting up and insurers are pulling out of some markets altogether. A little financial pain now may avoid greater financial pain in the future. We made similar decisions in my community to keep our premiums as low as possible.

If the association doesn't have the funds immediately available, there are a few options besides a special assessment. But none of them make more money appear out of nowhere - all of them involve the homeowners paying for the repairs:

* If the damages occurred to reserve items, it may be OK to tap the reserves *if* assessments are raised immediately to start repaying the shortfall. (You can even tap the reserves to cover operating expenses, but many state laws require repaying the reserves within the same fiscal year. This sort of thing can solve a short-term cash flow problem, but it will not address a budget shortfall resulting from an unexpected expense.)

* The association can look at taking out a loan. There are some downsides to this. The obvious one is that it will raise costs overall since you'll need to pay interest and any other finance charges on top of the cost for repairs. The other one is that the loan can affect property values and sales in the community, since lenders look at things like this before approving mortgages. Over time, this can make a community more vulnerable to investors who like to snap up distressed properties.

* The final option is delaying some less urgent spending, if possible. I don't like that alternative since it's a temporary solution and there are consequences (usually in the form of accelerated wear on things that will need to be replaced sooner as a result). It doesn't save money, in fact it increases spending. It's just delaying the pain.

We've been in an inflationary period lately, and in such cases the cheapest alternative overall is simply biting the bullet and paying for things now rather than waiting for costs to rise even more. But nobody has a crystal ball, so who knows if and when this will change.

So I think you've been doing prudent things. Unfortunately financial pain is part of home ownership - it's just what form it will take. This is a difficult message for owners to hear.

RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thank you. Very insightful. We took on the expenses for one of the flooded units. It wasn't that bad. Unfortunately, we currently have a loan we are paying so taking out another loan would not be ideal. We actually have some of the reserves for the flooded unit. As for the two buildings struck by trees, we had no choice but to submit claims to the insurance companies. Reason for the assessment. Thank you for your response.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think you just took on a danger precedent. People get word the HOA decided to take on expenses of repairs, that will trigger others to expect the same thing if they are in the similar situation. This is very dangerous territory in the long run. It sounds mean or horrible to not want to support each other. However, there has to be a line sometimes as uncomfortable as it is.

Remember the HOA budget is contributed by EVERY member. Not every member wants to pay for one person's issue. The money collected is for the HOA entirety. Which is limited to the common area. Homes are not usually "common property" but owned by individual members.

Someone used this as an example for the line between HOA and homeowner responsibility. Imagine the person's home as a square box. If you turn that box upside down, whatever drops out is the owner's responsibility. What stays is most likely the HOA's responsibility. Taking on the owner's responsibility isn't doing your HOA any favors especially if your at the point of taking out loans.

That is just my two cents as it sounds like your HOA is dangerously close to not having a "line". Something that can really hurt everyone in the long run.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I took Ramon's comment about "taking on the expenses" to mean that the association paid them out of pocket instead of submitting a claim to their insurer. This 100% makes sense when the total cost is close to the deductible, because the association avoids the additional claim. Our insurance agent even recommends this approach to help keep premiums down.

Also, we're talking about condos here. If they have all-included insurance, that the master policy will cover parts of the unit that are normally the owner's responsibility. It's not a "precedent" - it's the difference between maintenance vs. insurable event when all-included insurance is in play.

If the association *did* cover things that should have been paid for by the owner, just because the owner complained, then yes that's asking for trouble. It would surprise me if that's the case, because it sounds like the board knows what they're doing and *they got legal advice on this*.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I agree Cathy that if did not make the insurance lithmus test to payout deductible. However if it is the fear of a lawsuit or complaint then wo the horses.

I have heard of owners thinking the HOA insurance covers them so they may not take out insurance or not enough. It is like someone not taking out renters insurance when renting. They think landlord insurance plays a role in their recovery.

It may be this HOA got it right with the lawyer advice. However other people in their HOA may need to learn from this experience or others.

Will tell you when the tree fell into that house. One house was uninsured. The other was. The HOA was. The owners looked at the HOA for responsibility. We were not responsible for their deductible or damages. We were responsible for damages what occurred on our common area. Which was tree debris. The cost was $1500 versus our 20K deductible. I had to inform members who rallied we pay for the house damage we had to pay out our 20K deductible if we did. They shut up after that... 😂

Former HOA President

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