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MickJ (Tennessee)
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I've drafted legislation to limit the period for which the developer can remain in control of an HOA. I have both a State Senator and State Representative lined up who will carry the legislation to the next General Assembly but need a broader base of support from residents across the State of Tennessee. If you're interested in joining in I'd like to talk with you. Draft of new legislation is attached.
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CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Just a general comment for the sake of discussion.

I can see the reasons behind the legislation. There is no doubt that some developers overstep during the period they're in control of an association.

On the other hand, taking over a well-functioning and mostly complete community is different from managing one where the is ongoing. The latter situation brings a number of issues with it that a finished community won't, including legal challenges. Unless a newly-elected board is made up of people who've had such experience in the past, the new board members will flounder as they get their feet under them. They'll also make mistakes that can make the HOA vulnerable to legal challenges. This helps no one.

It also makes a big difference in how experienced the developer is. One who's a relative newbie is going to make mistakes that an experienced developer won't. If you buy a home from the newbie, you're going to have challenges that you wouldn't otherwise. Add in some inexperienced board members taking over control while development is ongoing, and you have a recipe for trouble.

The associations I'm familiar with had provisions in them for a gradual transition to homeowner control, as the proposed legislation does.

HOAs and condominiums are different beasts. Small communities are also different from large ones, since the small ones tend to be self-managed (or self-mismanaged, as we often say around here). Any new law should probably take these differences into account.

If the lawmakers decide to shorten the period of developer control, I would hope the new law would include the requirement that board members (and maybe even homeowners) have sufficient knowledge of what they're getting themselves into, including passing a course to prove that they know what they're doing.

Not only are buyers mostly clueless about owning property in community associations, lawmakers often are as well. Thus we see examples of "consumer protection" provisions that are basically licenses to commit financial suicide.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 09/25/2023 5:09 AM
Just a general comment for the sake of discussion.

I can see the reasons behind the legislation. There is no doubt that some developers overstep during the period they're in control of an association.

Cathy,

I've talked to Mick offline. He lives in a community where the developer has taken advantage of the issue. There have been legal actions on some of the things the developer has done (and the developer has lost).

In Micks situation, he is doing what he can for the community.

MickJ (Tennessee)
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Actually Tim, I'm going beyond my development. In the course of many hours of legal research I'm finding my developer is just one of many who set up bylaws and CCRs in an attempt to maintain control. It's a statewide issue that needs to be corrected by our legislators. They need to quit relying on our judicial system to sort out the problem just so they can continue to remain in favor of the huge HOA special interest lobbying groups. The homeowners typically get a favorable judgement, especially with the appellant court adopting Restatement of Law 6.19.2; however, in the process their community gets destroyed by fierce infighting amongst neighbors who would otherwise get along swimmingly. Additionally, by the time they get their judgement and get control, the developer has already built and sold the multi-family housing and/or small short term rentals on the property that prompted the homeowners to finally file suit. I'm trying to build a statewide coalition, would you like to join?

Cathy, I agree with your comments to some extent; but in the end, would you rather be running the show? A bunch of elected homeowners who may not be professionals but altruistically want the best for their community or an experienced developer with conflicting interests.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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I assumed there was some reason behind it. We've heard plenty of stories on this website about developer shenanigans, and I do agree that they need to be addressed in some fashion.

I'm always a bit wary, though, of a universal solution to a problem that isn't universal. Unintended consequences are a thing, and it would be unfortunate if the law ties the hands of people whose hands don't need tying in order to deal with the ones whose hands do. I prefer a more targeted solution.

In any case, another law just provides another tool for prosecuting those who misbehave. In such cases, the ultimate "justice" will come about through the courts. This adds an additional financial burden on those who often can't afford it (*), and will be available only to those with the deep pockets necessary to lawyer up. Expensive litigation is a terrible way to launch a new community, and I question whether even those who can afford to litigate will ever recover from their adventures through the court system.

(* I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of home buyers don't have a line item for litigation in their budgets. I wonder what lenders would have to say about this.)
MickJ (Tennessee)
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Nothing in the proposed legislation prevents an owner elected board from hiring the developer to continue running the HOA. If the developer is a property owner, nothing in the legislation prevents the property owners from electing him/her to the board.

Where we are right now in Tennessee without HOA statutes, the property owners only remedy for a developer who refuses to allow elections and refuses anything that interferes with him/her having absolute power for as long as he desires to have it is a civil suit. The homeowners can file the suit and case study has shown that they generally get a favorable ruling; however, it's a bit of a poison pill for the homeowners in numerous ways. The developer on the other hand could generally care less since he doesn't actually live in the neighborhood.

The status quo is the status quo because HOA legislation in Tennessee has been successfully opposed and lobbied against by developers, HOA attorneys, and HOA management companies. It needs to stop. We need statutory HOA legislation in Tennessee just like what most of the other 49 states have.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By MickJ on 09/25/2023 7:43 AM
Actually Tim, I'm going beyond my development. In the course of many hours of legal research I'm finding my developer is just one of many who set up bylaws and CCRs in an attempt to maintain control. It's a statewide issue that needs to be corrected by our legislators. They need to quit relying on our judicial system to sort out the problem just so they can continue to remain in favor of the huge HOA special interest lobbying groups. The homeowners typically get a favorable judgement, especially with the appellant court adopting Restatement of Law 6.19.2; however, in the process their community gets destroyed by fierce infighting amongst neighbors who would otherwise get along swimmingly. Additionally, by the time they get their judgement and get control, the developer has already built and sold the multi-family housing and/or small short term rentals on the property that prompted the homeowners to finally file suit. I'm trying to build a statewide coalition, would you like to join?

Cathy, I agree with your comments to some extent; but in the end, would you rather be running the show? A bunch of elected homeowners who may not be professionals but altruistically want the best for their community or an experienced developer with conflicting interests.

I'm in a different state.

Also, full disclosure: I've spend more over 14 years serving on a couple different condo association boards, and I've been employed for 17 years by a new home builder (who doesn't pull shenanigans). My employer actually builds in Tennessee, so I have a conflict of interest. I'm just an interested bystander since the issues you bring up can exist anywhere.

There are other issues involving developer transitions that can arise through no fault of the developer. For example, during the Great Recession and housing market downturn, a number of developers and builders went out of business. Buyers in those communities may have bought with the expectation that there would be amenities such as a pool or clubhouse, but the developer declared bankruptcy. Or the developer who's on the verge of going broke sells his remaining lots to a new developer or to the city. These new owners may change the nature of the community or put up rental or commercial properties. These things can happen. It's always a risk buying in a community that's under development because to some extent you're buying a promise, regardless of what it says on paper.

I'm not saying that the laws shouldn't be strengthened, just that you have to be realistic about what such changes can achieve. At some point the economy is going to determine what is possible, regardless of what the laws say. You can't force a bankrupt developer to do anything, as many discovered back in 2008-2012.

As far as a choice between elected homeowners who aren't professionals or an developer with conflicting interests, I don't want either one.

There is a reason that a receiver - who is a professional who's paid to perform the work of the board when a community doesn't have a board - can earn $200 - %500 per hour. There is a lot to know, nobody learns it overnight, and well-meaning newbies can get themselves and their communities into legal trouble with even the best intentions (Roads to Hell, etc.). An experienced developer should at least know enough to avoid legal trouble, but that person won't have the interests of the community in mind. At least the developer may be willing to talk dollars and cents, so you'd have some basis for discussion. You also can't generalize, since both of these options can be relatively benign or really toxic. If I were faced with such a choice, I'd go with the one with the least potential for damage. I at least can talk the developer's language, so there's a chance we could come to a meeting of the minds without too much harm to anyone.

All that said, I agree 100% about the influence of the Big Money Interests in this area. I believe that community associations exist to serve those interests, not the interests of buyers in these communities. And realistically, developers and builders are in it to make money. Any laws that require them to take what they view as unreasonable risks will result in them pricing the cost of those risks into their products - which may raise home prices beyond what many can afford. Or they may get out of the business altogether or go into commercial development. Sometimes there aren't great answers, just less bad ones.

MickJ (Tennessee)
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Thanks for responding Cathy. I'm sure I can learn a lot from a person with your experience. I need to learn as much about the opposition as possible. Please tell me a couple of things

1) Most all the suits seem to be brought up when many years (like over 20) after the development was started, the declarant or whomever succeeds him decides to build condos/rentals or lower building restrictions. Of course, this is nefarious and a breach of fiduciary and this is the type reason it is always in homeowners best interest to not allow developer to just hold power infinitely. On the flip side, I can't think of a single legitimate reason for a developer to hold power and control that is not nefarious. Can you give me any?

2) Regarding lobbying opposition. Tennessee has 35 pages of statutes covering anything and everything regarding condo associations (COAs) and includes provisions requiring the developer turn over control. Yet, the minimal Tennessee HOA statutes are less than two pages long with most of that dedicated to the "definitions" section. Would this be because there's little a developer can do years down the road to make any real profit from a group of condos since there's typically little or no land without a building already on them.

In brief, what real reason does a developer have for not turning over HOA control.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By MickJ on 09/25/2023 10:25 AM

In brief, what real reason does a developer have for not turning over HOA control.
Profit. You may not think "profit" is a real reason. But in the real world, it is.
MickJ (Tennessee)
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Not for a non-profit corporation, it's not. Not legitimate anyway.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By MickJ on 09/25/2023 10:56 AM
Not for a non-profit corporation, it's not. Not legitimate anyway.
Pardon?

The declarant's/developer's corporation is not non-profit.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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The developer is a for-profit business.

My employer doesn't hang onto communities because that's not how you make money. You make money by selling the homes, wrapping up last minute business in the community, and moving on to the next project. The only time we've slowed down during my tenure was during the Great Recession when the market for new homes evaporated, at least in the market segments where we were building. Things have been somewhere slower since the start of the pandemic, but that's due to supply chain issues and not our choice. Demand for new homes in my area still exceeds supply, even with higher home prices and higher interest rates.

Builders and developers don't make money if they're not creating new communities or selling homes. There are also carrying costs for unsold properties - eg, taxes and insurance and personnel to manage these things. For example, we have to mow and otherwise maintain undeveloped lots - existing boards want this and overgrown lots are a turn-off to potential buyers. So hanging onto some parcels of land means that there's some incentive that outweighs these things - probably financial but possibly legal. It's likely that the developer is shaky financially and is hanging on and hoping things turn around. I've also heard of at least one case where the developer died and his assets were tied up in probate. Or the heirs were fighting. Not the HOA's problem to fix, but it can limit what you may realistically expect out of litigation or negotiation.

The folks who would really have some interesting facts are HOA/condo attorneys. Many of them include developer transitions as part of their services, and they've probably seen it all. These attorneys won't talk to individual homeowners since there is a potential for a conflict of interest, but the HOA attorney will talk to board members. An HOA that's having issues with the developer would probably benefit from hiring a skilled and experienced attorney to guide them.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By MickJ on 09/25/2023 10:25 AM
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2) Regarding lobbying opposition. Tennessee has 35 pages of statutes covering anything and everything regarding condo associations (COAs) and includes provisions requiring the developer turn over control. Yet, the minimal Tennessee HOA statutes are less than two pages long with most of that dedicated to the "definitions" section. Would this be because there's little a developer can do years down the road to make any real profit from a group of condos since there's typically little or no land without a building already on them.


Interesting question. I think it's more likely to be due to the nature of condo ownership vs. ownership in an HOA.

In condos, owners are tenants in common and own fractional shares of the condominium property - each owns an undivided interest in the common areas of the entire property, with the emphasis on "undivided". There's no way a developer could hang onto a piece of land inside the condo property that belongs to him alone. He could personally only own land that's outside of the currently defined condominium property. The condo association would have to annex this land and amend the CC&Rs in order to incorporate the land. (This actually happened when my condo community was being developed. When it was time to build a new building, the land changed ownership and our Declaration was amended to include the new section. You can still see these old property lines on the county's Geographical Info System maps.)

In HOAs, the association owns the common areas and individual homeowners own their own lots and homes - so an individual can personally own one or more lots that are inside of the HOA.
MickJ (Tennessee)
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The developer may be a for profit organization, but if he controls the HOA he must act as a fiduciary and act in the best interest for the HOA and homeowners. If he's profiting as the controlling agent of the HOA, that's probably a fiduciary violation.

Cathy, I really don't see why any of the items you mentioned would be a valid reason for not turning over control of a non-profit corporation managing a development for which the developers remaining lots comprise less than 25% of the development. He's not turning over his lots, only control of the HOA (an asset that should have no cash value at this point).
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By MickJ on 09/25/2023 11:58 AM
The developer may be a for profit organization, but if he controls the HOA he must act as a fiduciary and act in the best interest for the HOA and homeowners. If he's profiting as the controlling agent of the HOA, that's probably a fiduciary violation.
"Controlling agent" is not a legal term.

The declarant is profiting from the sale of lots and homes. Does it make financial sense to retain control so as to maximize profits from the sale of lots and homes? Of course it does.

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