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SheliaH (Indiana)
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We've spoken of investors buying up lots and lots of homes lately - here's a recent article from the New York Times (there could be a payment wall). Note what type of neighborhoods are being targeted for this- proving once again that in American, money talks and BS walks....

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/16/realestate/home-sales-north-carolina-wall-street.html

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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People often think of condo deconversions when they think of investors buying up real estate, but articles like this make it clear that single family homes are also targets.

I have concerns.

The Big Picture concern is that buying a house is becoming more and more out of reach for those of modest means, and even for those in the upper middle class. As I've mentioned many times, for the average person, home equity forms the lion's share of their net worth. If their employer isn't offering 401(k)s or other retirement plans, they're even in worse shape.

A Not-Quite-As-Big Picture is how HOAs and COAs will fare as institutional investors snap up homes. Individual investor-owners can cause enough trouble for a community association. Tenants who don't follow the rules, owner-landlords who don't give a hoot as long as the rent check is good, and owner-landlords who won't take on any of the work of running the community are all problems.

Institutional investors can be worse. They will most likely be completely uninvolved with an HOA unless they have longer term goals of converting an entire community into rental property. But if they just want to keep the property on the books for the value, they'll probably be even more hands-off. Or they may be aiming to create their own investment assets in the form of real estate investment trust (REITs). I assume that this is Wall Street's eventual goal, since being a landlord is a pain in the butt.

(REITs in a nutshell: these investments allow people who want to own real estate but without owning individual properties to buy shares of these REITs. The shares trade on the stock market just like stocks do and they pay dividends. Many people hold REITs in their investment portfolios for the income they produce. Individual REITs can own property in a wide variety of areas: residential properties, medical facilities, office buildings, commercial facilities, etc. You can even buy shares of REITs that own storage facilities.)

In my more cynical moments, I wonder why Wall Street doesn't just buy up new home builders who are the sources of all the new HOAs and COAs. Eliminate the pesky homeonwer/middleman from the get-go.

Lesson for anyone who currently owns a home in a community association: get your rental restriction beefed up while you're still able to.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Did you notice the quote from the one lady who said she was concerned about the investors buying up the neighborhood, which is why she sold her home to a neighbor - but also has stock in the investment company because "she makes a lot of money"? Nothing wrong with making money on its face, but even that can create unintended consequences (aka mo money, mo problems).

The quote about "renting the American Dream" (of home ownership) is even more cynical, but these are days, I guess...

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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In my city they are now building Rent ONLY single family homes. They are not for purchase. Their intent is to "rent" to young families/couples. There are benefits and downside to this option. Not sure if it's an intentional trend for renting or just that no one can afford the housing.

I admit that I took a buy-out of investors for my last house. In my defense that house was always meant to be a 'flip house". I had remodeled it with the intention of selling it for a profit. Circumstances changed and ended up "stuck" in the house. My view set back then was investor minded. Now my view has changed to "I am lucky to been able to buy/built a house".

It is a strange new world in home ownership than it was before. I've survived the "Bubble bursting" in the 2000's. That was hard enough. Today with all the investors grabbing up houses, I am thinking ownership is getting out of reach. Not sure even after owning multiple homes that renting isn't in my future.

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CathyA3 (Ohio)
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That gal who sold her home to a neighbor is fooling herself. It's marginally better than selling the home to Wall Street, which is marginally better than selling to foreign corporate investors who do not have our best interests at heart. But all of them chip away at individuals' ability to own a home, and the rising costs of renting is pricing people out of the rental market as well.

On the other hand, maybe she's been reading Cathy's Rules for Life - for example, always invest in things that are scr3wing you as a consumer.

The quote about "renting the American Dream" just makes me want to slap somebody. People make enough dumb financial decisions on their own without being encouraged by others. On the other hand, maybe going into debt IS the American Dream nowadays...
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Indeed. I'm working with a relative to sell another relative's home. (to help pay for assisted living ) and we really hope we won't have to sell to an investor, but I've seen up close why people end up going that route. If we have no choice, I'd prefer selling it to a single investor who will eventually sell to a young family.

In my own community. I'm a bit surprised one of these "rental homes only" developers hasn't swooped in to try and buy this one. Our documents are written to require 100% cooperation from every owner for that to happen, so that could be a blessing or something else. Time will tell.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Here is some irony for you:

What property rights? Last holdout condo owners in Boca fight investor’s termination bid.

I usually feel sorry for condos owners who are forced to sell, especially if they're elderly and on a fixed income and owning a home is important for their financial stability.

I feel less sorry when they spend money they can't afford to lose on a lawsuit that will not change the outcome. Google would tell them this since deconversions/terminations happen a lot - I can't think of a single case where the condo owner prevailed against the investor owners.

But... this situation is extra. If you keep reading, you will discover that the condo owners in this case.... are renting out their unit and have been doing so for the last 17 years. I guess they expected that the big shark wouldn't try to gobble up the little shark.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 09/16/2023 11:21 AM
That gal who sold her home to a neighbor is fooling herself.
The article said the name of this woman is Kathy Enos, a Charlotte, NC real estate agent. What got my attention was this:

When Ms. Enos, 62, the real estate agent, sold her Bradfield Farms home two years ago, she was adamant that she would not sell to an investor.

For years, her brother lived on the same block. Their children and dogs meandered among the houses. As she watched clients jump at anonymous cash offers, she worried that the neighborhood would become transitory. Who would organize the block party if no one lived on the block for long? She sold her house to a neighbor, not an investor.

Yet, she owns stock in Invitation Homes [ticker symbol INVH], the country’s largest owner of single-family rentals. “I would be silly if I didn’t,” she said. “I make really good money from it.”


Enos is 60-something years old. She has a bachelor's in business administration. She served in the Navy for eight years. And she thinks a stock that has been around less than a decade is something everyone should own. Invitations Homes is a REIT, so this means INVH's share price is not going to keep up with the S&P 500. Instead the purpose of these stocks is to provide a relatively stable dividend (since by law, REITs must pay out 90% of their taxable income to shareholders).

The stock currently yields about 3%.

Meanwhile 3-month CDs are paying over 5%.

And the stock price has lagged the S&P 500.

This part of the article is further evidence to me that realtors, while able to flip homes and skim off the fat of the sale, tend to have a single skill and otherwise, should not be expected to have talent.

I did not see anything profound in this article. It's still a small percentage of houses owned by investment companies. If one does not like what corporate America is doing to the country, join 'em, or at least own a diverse portfolio of stocks and bonds.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By SheliaH on 09/16/2023 12:11 PM
... snip ... Our documents are written to require 100% cooperation from every owner for that to happen, so that could be a blessing or something else. Time will tell.

I can't remember seeing such a provision in any condo declaration I've read. It sounds more like something you'd see in a co-op.

It's also probably enough to stop a deconversion, since there are always a few holdouts. Investors who are interested in converting the entire community to rental property would just go for easier and cheaper targets.

Your relative's example is a perfect illustration of why home ownership even more important for persons of modest means. Their equity can make the difference between good quality care in their later years and not-so-good care (or no care at all). The last thing we should be doing is forcing more elderly people into poverty.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 09/16/2023 12:23 PM
Here is some irony for you:

What property rights? Last holdout condo owners in Boca fight investor’s termination bid.
The April 2023 update is that the couple lost in the Florida appeals court (unanimous decision, three-judge panel). See https://law.justia.com/cases/florida/fourth-district-court-of-appeal/2023/22-1260.html. CathyA3's prediction, that these folks threw away money on this litigation, appears to have come true.
ElleN (Idaho)
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I continue to think the bigger problem by far here is house prices rising such that the property taxes become unaffordable to long-time owners.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Actually all of this and much more are factors in the affordable housing crisis. 6ou have long time communities (many of color) being forced out of their homes because of high property taxes and peopke having trouble building generational wealth because of the taxes and the high cost of living.

I dony know how many people living in HOAs pay attention to all this - many are howling over not being able to turn their home into an Airbnb or just rent it out because they have rights. Of course they do, but rights come with responsibilities (at least they used to) and sometimes you have to consider that just because you can do something doesn't always mean that you should.

Cathy noted that folks debating rental restrictions in their communities may want to consider this when considering the pros and cons. Since many people dont always think that far ahead, I'd say those who want some sort of control would do well to bring stories like this to their neighbor's attention. Paying attention to the conduct of the owner-landlords and tenants is crucial but you may also need to consider the long term effects, such as an investor with lots of money moving in and dazzling everyone with the thought of big bucks. Not everything that glitters is gold, and you know the rest.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By SheliaH on 09/16/2023 6:08 AM
We've spoken of investors buying up lots and lots of homes lately - here's a recent article from the New York Times (there could be a payment wall). Note what type of neighborhoods are being targeted for this- proving once again that in American, money talks and BS walks....

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/16/realestate/home-sales-north-carolina-wall-street.html

I was unable to read the article because they wanted a subscription.

Having sold my previous home recently, I can tell you that once you spend the time and energy fixing the place up to sell, the mindset is to simply be done with the property. When I sold, I priced it at a fair market price, interest rates were low and there were 500 similar homes on the market.

I sold to the people who made the first offer (happened to be a family) because I wanted to move on with my life.

It's not about greed.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Another article on the same topic:

How Wall Street Bought Single Family Homes and Put Them Up for Rent

Quote from the article:

Industry advocates argue that they do not control enough market share to dictate prices in any market. Large institutions owned roughly 5% of the 14 million single-family rentals nationally in early 2022, according to analysts.

By 2030, the institutions may hold some 7.6 million homes, or more than 40% of all single-family rentals on the market, according to the 2022 forecast by MetLife Investment Management.

This is disingenuous.

First, the homes they own have been removed permanently (unless they sell) from the stock of houses that can be purchased by individual buyers. This will drive up home prices by artificially increasing demand. This move also comes at a time when there are supply chain issues and other factors that have also been raising the costs of new construction.

Second, it ignores the potential impact on the mortgage market since lenders will raise the interest rates for borrowers in communities with a lot of rentals, or avoid those communities altogether. This will remove buyers at the lower end from the market. While ordinarily that would put downward pressure on home prices, it can also create a sense of urgency in sellers who may want to hold out for individual buyers but can't afford to. This creates more opportunity for the corporate investors who will fix up the home and either rent it or flip it, and in the longer term driving up the cost of housing.

Third, corporate investors are driving individual investors out of the market since the little guy mostly can't afford to compete on price. If I'm on the board of an HOA, I would much rather deal with an individual investor if there are issues with a tenant than some faceless corporation. That single home with a problem tenant is much more likely to affect the bottom line of an individual investor, giving the investor more of an incentive to help solve the problem. The corporation can afford to ignore a non-performing asset.

Finally, I'm really concerned about the collision between corporate ownership and the HOA model of home ownership, and if I'm an elected official in any city or municipality, I need to be concerned as well. The whole idea of community associations is that it makes individual owners responsible for running their communities, and I think this model breaks down when corporations become the owners - mostly because they can afford not to give a damn. A corporate owner is unlikely to run for a board position unless the owner is aiming to deconvert the entire community into rental properties. In short, cities and municipalities are losing control over communities in their jurisdictions, and that is a bad thing for everyone in that area.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Oh man, my kingdom for an edit button.

The part of the previous post that begins with "This is disingenuous..." is my commentary, not part of the quoted article.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I was unable to read the article because they wanted a subscription.

Having sold my previous home recently, I can tell you that once you spend the time and energy fixing the place up to sell, the mindset is to simply be done with the property. When I sold, I priced it at a fair market price, interest rates were low and there were 500 similar homes on the market.

I sold to the people who made the first offer (happened to be a family) because I wanted to move on with my life.

It's not about greed.

True, its not all about greed, but then you have to consider who we're talking about. Individual buyers and sellers are one thing, but these corporate types are another story- especially when you see the type of communities that are being targeted. Like cathy,Cathy, this is pricing more and more people out of the market and that will make the affordable housing crisis even worse.

As for the article, pay walls are a drag (I subscribe to the NY Times), but you may be able to Google and Google some more to find the article for free if someone reprints it - I think you'll find it quite interesting.

In my situation, the family has gone back and forth between "let's just sell it and get it over with" and "the relative put a lot of time and money into the place, so we should at least try to get as much as we can for it." We've now landed in the middle and trying to decide which essential repairs must be done to squeeze more out of the selling price vs. doing a little and skipping the rest because we must recoup repair costs for whatever we decide to do. We'll see how it goes.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By SheliaH on 09/16/2023 4:34 PM
Actually all of this and much more are factors in the affordable housing crisis. 6ou have long time communities (many of color) being forced out of their homes because of high property taxes and peopke having trouble building generational wealth because of the taxes and the high cost of living.
... and because of historical discrimination in housing, employment, health care, education and more.

I see only one possibly constructive solution being posted here and in the article: Amend the covenants. If possible, restrict the number of allowed rentals or require ownership for a year (or even two years) before rental is allowed.

Often such an amendment will not be possible.

Regarding other solutions:
I think pleading with others to set aside their own financial interests will not go anywhere.

I tend to think government can take certain steps, like restricting increases on property taxes for long-time homeowners. This has occurred in some counties nationwide, specifically to address the increase in housing prices.

But setting aside government action (which is so often anemic), I believe the best chance to improve the situation is for individuals to take responsibility to educate themselves. Stay out of Florida; I think Florida is not realistic for anyone, and especially for lower-to-middle income folks. Get educated in financial planning, from how much house the family can afford to investing in the stock market for the long run. Acknowledge how evil debt is. More.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 09/17/2023 5:48 AM

First, the homes they own have been removed permanently (unless they sell) from the stock of houses that can be purchased by individual buyers. This will drive up home prices by artificially increasing demand.
I do not see how one can argue the increase in demand is "artificial."

If one wants to argue there are monopolistic practices going on, and possibly some violations of the law on trusts/monopolies, then maybe so. Go for it. But in the last few years, I have never seen chatter about such a possibility.

In many parts of the country sellers (corporate?) have inundated the craigslist rental section with houses listed for sale, pointing out that the rent people would pay would in fact better go towards a mortgage. Meaning rents are competing with mortgages.

For people who cannot do their own handyperson work, renting competes well with owning. The media has reported on this.

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