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JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
This is our bylaw section that deals with terms of office and apparently there is some confusion. This has already been settled once by the HOA Attorney, but now a new Attorney has a different opinion.

When I read the section, to me, it seems quite clear. But, what do YOU think

Scenario: Our HOA has not had an election where we met a quorum since July 2020. How many director positions do you think there should be in July of 2023? We have a (5) member board of directors

This used to be one big 'wall of text' and I broke it down into individual sentences to make it easier to read
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Basic Election Procedure:

- At the first annual meeting of the Members, and thereafter at each annual meeting of the Members coinciding with the expiration of a Director's term of office or at which a vacancy on the Board exists, the Members shall elect new Directors by secret written ballot as provided in these Bylaws.

- All positions on the Board shall be filled at the first annual meeting.

- If an annual meeting is not held, or the Board is not elected thereat, the Board may be elected at any special meeting of the Members held for that purpose.

- Each Director shall hold office until his successor has been elected or until his death, resignation, removal or judicial adjudication of mental incompetence.

- The term of office of the three (3) Directors receiving the highest number of votes at the first annual meeting shall be three (3) years and the term of office of the two (2) Directors receiving the next highest number of votes at the first annual meeting shall be two (2) years.

- At each annual meeting thereafter, new Directors shall be elected to fill vacancies created by the death, resignation, removal, judicial adjudication of mental incompetence or expiration of the terms of past Directors.

- The term of office of each Director elected to fill a vacancy created by the expiration of the term of office of the respective past Director shall be two (2) years.

- The term of office of each Director elected or appointed to fill a vacancy created by the resignation, death or removal of his
predecessor shall be the balance of the unserved term of his predecessor.

- Any person serving as a Director may be reelected, and there is no limit on the number of terms which he may serve.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Since a director election can be done entirely by mail, you only need a meeting to view the ballots being opened and counted. Our system is the same as yours when terms are not currently staggered - top 3 vote getters got 2-yrr terms and bottom two got 1-yr terms.
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
OK - that is what happened in 2020 when their were (5) open positions, (5) new directors got elected (they were all write in candidates)

But how many positions are open this year? Last actual election was in july 2020 (that has now become another point of contention)
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
You asked this question months ago here. Ulitmately the HOA attorney going back awhile agreed with you. The election was run with all five seats up for grabs.

What people here say is completely irrelevant. Why? Because the problem is a rogue board that is going to do what it wants.

You are going to learn the hard way that one cannot reason with people driven by ego and so having no interest in reason.
AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 173
Posted:
No quorum, no election.
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 08/28/2023 9:26 PM
You asked this question months ago here. Ulitmately the HOA attorney going back awhile agreed with you. The election was run with all five seats up for grabs.

What people here say is completely irrelevant. Why? Because the problem is a rogue board that is going to do what it wants.

You are going to learn the hard way that one cannot reason with people driven by ego and so having no interest in reason.

Ya your right, earlier this year, the HOA Attorney on retainer agreed with my position, and the HOA had change the election from 2 open seats to all 5. But now, this new attorney, from what I understand, believes there are only 2 seats...

oh well
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
The term of office is 2 years. No election for 3 years equals 5 seats open.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
You can file a claim in small claims court to ask the judge for either declaratory relief to interpret your governing documents re elections, to validate the election you just won, or to declare invalid the recent election if Davis-Stirling Act procedures were not followed. Attorneys are not allowed in court so I think it would be a very interesting hearing.
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Thanks Terry, that is how I and the other attorney looked at it. Trying to avoid court or more fees
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
I should add, under a 2 seat election, one of the seats is the 'ex president' and I don't think there is any way in h*ll the he is going to get elected.

I recently discovered that the PMC's other daughter is married to the son of the owner of the landscape contractor this board hired. And, the son-in-law is our 'on site' supervisor for that landscape contractor. Both daughters of the owner of the PMC work on or are assigned to our HOA account
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
James, James. You're trying to postpone the inevitable with these old questions and new gossip. You gotta ACT!
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Poor James needs a vacation.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
I have always thought that the only Election that has 5 seats open is the first owner board of a new HOA. After this election 2 people are set for a 3-year term and 3 are set for 2-year terms. Then every year either 3 or 2 seats are up for grabs.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
I have always thought that the only Election that has 5 seats open is the first owner board of a new HOA. After this election 2 people are set for a 3-year term and 3 are set for 2-year terms. Then every year either 3 or 2 seats are up for grabs.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 08/29/2023 11:59 AM
I have always thought that the only Election that has 5 seats open is the first owner board of a new HOA. After this election 2 people are set for a 3-year term and 3 are set for 2-year terms. Then every year either 3 or 2 seats are up for grabs.

Our board had 5 seats open in the recent election because our board never followed the rules, never had ballots, basically made up their own procedures - or lack thereof - to stay in power.

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