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SheilaB7 (Arizona)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Wondering if I can get some help guidance on the steps to hiring a management company? We currently have a management company and would like to remove them and hire another company. Does anyone have any specific steps on this process? I don't mean things link review your document, make sure the company is licensed etc. I am hoping someone has something written down as in 1st, 2nd 3rd step. Thanks for your help
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By SheilaB7 on 08/21/2023 1:22 PM
Wondering if I can get some help guidance on the steps to hiring a management company? We currently have a management company and would like to remove them and hire another company. Does anyone have any specific steps on this process? I don't mean things link review your document, make sure the company is licensed etc. I am hoping someone has something written down as in 1st, 2nd 3rd step. Thanks for your help

My advise is sit down with your present MC and see if things can be worked out. Much easier then changing companies.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Sheila,
I am not able or willing to write a book about how to do this job for your board. What I will advise is that you not make a quick decision without thinking it through very carefully.

I have been the president of 2 boards that have done this in 2 States. I would always avoid the Biggest PMCs that typically work with Developers. If your HOA currently has one, it is definitely time to make the change. I have been successful in finding Mid-Sized companies that are the go too PMCs in your area. Here are a few questions I would ask you if I were one of those companies.

1) What is making you want to make the switch at this time?
2) Is it the manager or the PMC? Employees can be replaced easily.
3) Do you have a board member willing to spend the hours it takes to turn over a HOA to a new PMC? If no it could be a bad idea.
4) Have you considered the ramifications of changing PMC? It effects every owner because of billing changes.
5) Who is having the problem with existing PMC? Board, owners or both?
MikeH24 (California)
Posts: 21
Posted:
https://echo-ca.org/article/how-good-your-management-company/
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
You are going to find that most management companies are going to be just about the same in the services they provide - just not in the way they provide the service.

First step is documenting what you don't like about your current management company. Are you happy with the services they provide (the bookkeeping, the property management duties, etc.) but just don't like the people? Is there a gap in their coverage? You should look at their contract and make a list of what they say they provide and if there are any additional things you want to add or subtract.

Once you have a list of your needs, reach out to some local PM companies. You may want to call around to communities around you (or ask on NextDoor) and find out who likes their management company. Any decent management company would be happy to give you a presentation of what they can do for you.

Narrow down your list of prospective companies and give them the list of all the things you need. Ask for a quote based on those services. They may come back and tell you that you need additional services or that they only provide a bundle of certain things. You need to try to compare apples to apples if you can.

Call references for your short list of companies (or one if you have narrowed it down). Speak to board members are actively involved. Ask about not just ongoing service, but what the transition was like. Have your attorney go over any contracts.

Before making a decision, plan for transition. How much notice do you need to give? Understand you probably can't take your current employees with you. What personnel will the new company provide? What support will the PM offer before and after they get the contract? How long will transition take?

Meet as a board and make a decision. Prepare the association after you have signed your contract - it's also a transition for the owners. There is lots of communication about where to send their assessments and how. Be transparent.

Be patient. Changing management companies is difficult and takes much longer than you think.

JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
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Community Association Institute (CAI) has a directory where you can search for accredited community managers in your area. You can first select by State and then change to the city to alphabetical

https://www.caionline.org/pages/credentials-directory.aspx
LizD3 (California)
Posts: 200
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It’s a basic RFP process:
- Figure out what services you need; formalize in a document/RFP
- Contact property management companies of interest (research/recommendations)
- Invite RRFPs/quotes/presentation
- Review/Compare/Evaluate/References
- Negotiate
- Select/Contract
- Handover

Don’t know what the experience is like for other people, but I have lived in large and small buildings and have been underwhelmed with PM companies (they make rudimentary mistakes, are unreliable or unreachable or unresponsive, have poor customer service, nickel and dime the HOA, are political, etc.). One example: I once lived in a large complex and could not determine how my PM calculated my monthly assessment (their figure did not match my figure). I did some math and it turned out everyone had been incorrectly charged for a decade+ – some units overpaid by thousands, some (like the unit belonging to the Board president, coincidence?) underpaid by an equal amount. It was a nightmare.

Not that my current, owner-run Board is better ... !
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
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Ask boards of neighboring associations for pros and cons of the companies they use. Also ask about the criteria they used in hiring.
JdW (Texas)
Posts: 40
Posted:
A big thing to pay attention to is how many other HOAs or "doors" your current and prospective new management company assigns to each community manager. You'd be shocked that some do 4000 doors and 12+ HOAs which means they have no time to do anything other than put out fires but others, generally smaller ones, will do far fewer.

Smaller companies tend to be better but also make sure they have a fidelity bond and also your master insurance will cover theft.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
JWD,
You make some great points as do others as well. The 1 additional thing that I did that brought something that was important to me in my last change. Once we had narrowed it down to 2 candidates, I ask for the contract so I/We could read the terms before having our lawyer review. As with any contract it was tilled very far towards the PMC. I marked it up with several things that I wanted negotiated. The main thing was they wanted a 2-year contract. After just getting out of a bad relationship with our last company this was a deal breaker for me. I wanted to be with the next PMC for 10 years but did not want it written into the contract. I had 5 or 6 things that I requested changed or modified. One company said they do not make changes to their contracts. The other company made the changes as I requested with hardly any push back. Going into our 4th year with that company and must say it was the best decision that has been made on any board I have served on.

Bigger is not better. Better is better.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By SheilaB7 on 08/21/2023 1:22 PM
Wondering if I can get some help guidance on the steps to hiring a management company? We currently have a management company and would like to remove them and hire another company. Does anyone have any specific steps on this process? I don't mean things link review your document, make sure the company is licensed etc. I am hoping someone has something written down as in 1st, 2nd 3rd step. Thanks for your help


You must first look at your existing contract to see what the cancellation terms are. If it automatically renews you will need to send them a notice of non-renewal by the deadline indicated and using the method indicated in the contract. Likely it will require certified mail. I just went through this myself so somewhere there is a thread with possible wording.

You then need to issue an RFP to whichever companies you would like to consider.

In my opinion, the RFP does not need to be particular detailed. If anything, you can get mired in the details of trying to list everything you think you want or need form a PMC; but in fact they already know exactly what services they offer, so it makes more sense to simply ask them to list their services so you can compare one company against another.

The RFP should indicate important benchmark dates:
* When proposals are due
* When the board anticipates making a decision
* When the transition period should begin and end

While waiting for proposals you should prepare a list of questions you will want to ask each company, addressing your current pain points and your hopes for the future.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By SheilaB7 on 08/21/2023 1:22 PM
Wondering if I can get some help guidance on the steps to hiring a management company? We currently have a management company and would like to remove them and hire another company. Does anyone have any specific steps on this process? I don't mean things link review your document, make sure the company is licensed etc. I am hoping someone has something written down as in 1st, 2nd 3rd step. Thanks for your help

I’m a bit late here, sorry. I posted something here about a year ago, and based on experience, it’s still true:

From July 2022:

Our PMC has dropped the ball sooo many times that I believe we’re going to dump them and begin actively looking for a replacement. It’s been suggested before - but ā€œHonestly Doctor, I think we may really crash this time.ā€

I’ve never been involved in this kind of effort before, but there are a handful of concrete items that I think we’ll be looking for:

- Their availability to handle issues with the pool. The pool gets maximum use on Friday afternoons, weekends, and holidays. Our PMC is closed at those times.
- Related: response time on emergencies.
- How many other properties is our PM going to handle? We’re currently one of ten. That ratio is not proving to be realistic.
- What portal system do they use for ACC, Violations, payments, etc? Our ACC likes the system that our PMC has set up with. Another PMC that uses the same system would be attractive to us.
- Related: what kind of visibility does the Board have into these systems?
- I think we might like to have some kind of formal agreement or system on status reporting. We’ve had too many action items simply disappear. Admittedly, this is partially the Board’s fault. But also, we’re paying the PMC to help us navigate through these issues.
- Related: firm time and date tracking of action items as they come and go.

We might be in for a shock - it might be that we can’t find anyone who meets these requirements within our budget. And the stuff about progress reports and time/date tracking - I may live to regret that: I’ve dealt with some very shabby business service interfaces, we need something that effective but not inflexible, and that may be tough to find. But at least we’ve got a few solid requirements.

Again, this is merely my thinking on how to approach a task I’ve never done before. So, to any future generations reading this: don’t mistake my thoughts for actual experience.


A couple of months after I wrote that, our PMC was acquired by another PMC. We considered the situation carefully and decided to go with the new company - they used the same bank, they used the same portal system, it gave us the opportunity to dump our totally worthless PM for a new, better one.

After working with them for almost a year, and a pretty tough one at that (tough in the sense of ice storms and wandering hordes of homeless people and getting the pool running with lifeguards after COVID and record heat waves) this list is still pretty strong. I’ll add:

- pool operations suppprt (if you have a pool) is a BFD. I’ve been running the pool this year and aside from trespassers and homeless people breaking in, the biggest thorn in my side has been pool access control. The PMC claims they can’t give me access to it, so everything has to go through 1-2 people at the PMC - so if someone steals a key fob and uses it on a Friday, I typically can’t get it disabled until Monday or Tuesday.

- response time on emergencies (and telephone response time in general): their emergency number is worthless. Plus I’ve fielded many complaints from homeowners who can’t get through to customer service via telephone, emails not responded to, etc.

- we need to close on some kind of task tracker system. Our PM is a great fellow, and highly responsive - but there is simply too much stuff going on, and we need to begin working with some kind of formal tracking ā€˜ ticket system so that stuff doesn’t get lost / forgotten.

Pragmatically, the financial aspects of the switchover have been the biggest problem: people never changed how they paid dues, or forgot, or did it wrong, etc. And after almost a year we’re still attempting to get it all straightened out. The new PMC has been good about working with us on this - but strictly speaking, they should not have allowed this to become a problem on the first place.

As luck would have it, just yesterday the PMC sent me a ā€œHow are we doing?ā€ email. And I’m going to let them know.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheilaB7 on 08/21/2023 1:22 PM
Wondering if I can get some help guidance on the steps to hiring a management company? We currently have a management company and would like to remove them and hire another company. Does anyone have any specific steps on this process? I don't mean things link review your document, make sure the company is licensed etc. I am hoping someone has something written down as in 1st, 2nd 3rd step. Thanks for your help

I’m a bit late here, sorry. I posted something here about a year ago, and based on experience, it’s still true:

From July 2022:

Our PMC has dropped the ball sooo many times that I believe we’re going to dump them and begin actively looking for a replacement. It’s been suggested before - but ā€œHonestly Doctor, I think we may really crash this time.ā€

I’ve never been involved in this kind of effort before, but there are a handful of concrete items that I think we’ll be looking for:

- Their availability to handle issues with the pool. The pool gets maximum use on Friday afternoons, weekends, and holidays. Our PMC is closed at those times.
- Related: response time on emergencies.
- How many other properties is our PM going to handle? We’re currently one of ten. That ratio is not proving to be realistic.
- What portal system do they use for ACC, Violations, payments, etc? Our ACC likes the system that our PMC has set up with. Another PMC that uses the same system would be attractive to us.
- Related: what kind of visibility does the Board have into these systems?
- I think we might like to have some kind of formal agreement or system on status reporting. We’ve had too many action items simply disappear. Admittedly, this is partially the Board’s fault. But also, we’re paying the PMC to help us navigate through these issues.
- Related: firm time and date tracking of action items as they come and go.

We might be in for a shock - it might be that we can’t find anyone who meets these requirements within our budget. And the stuff about progress reports and time/date tracking - I may live to regret that: I’ve dealt with some very shabby business service interfaces, we need something that effective but not inflexible, and that may be tough to find. But at least we’ve got a few solid requirements.

Again, this is merely my thinking on how to approach a task I’ve never done before. So, to any future generations reading this: don’t mistake my thoughts for actual experience.


A couple of months after I wrote that, our PMC was acquired by another PMC. We considered the situation carefully and decided to go with the new company - they used the same bank, they used the same portal system, it gave us the opportunity to dump our totally worthless PM for a new, better one.

After working with them for almost a year, and a pretty tough one at that (tough in the sense of ice storms and wandering hordes of homeless people and getting the pool running with lifeguards after COVID and record heat waves) this list is still pretty strong. I’ll add:

- pool operations suppprt (if you have a pool) is a BFD. I’ve been running the pool this year and aside from trespassers and homeless people breaking in, the biggest thorn in my side has been pool access control. The PMC claims they can’t give me access to it, so everything has to go through 1-2 people at the PMC - so if someone steals a key fob and uses it on a Friday, I typically can’t get it disabled until Monday or Tuesday.

- response time on emergencies (and telephone response time in general): their emergency number is worthless. Plus I’ve fielded many complaints from homeowners who can’t get through to customer service via telephone, emails not responded to, etc.

- we need to close on some kind of task tracker system. Our PM is a great fellow, and highly responsive - but there is simply too much stuff going on, and we need to begin working with some kind of formal tracking ā€˜ ticket system so that stuff doesn’t get lost / forgotten.

Pragmatically, the financial aspects of the switchover have been the biggest problem: people never changed how they paid dues, or forgot, or did it wrong, etc. And after almost a year we’re still attempting to get it all straightened out. The new PMC has been good about working with us on this - but strictly speaking, they should not have allowed this to become a problem on the first place.

As luck would have it, just yesterday the PMC sent me a ā€œHow are we doing?ā€ email. And I’m going to let them know.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€

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