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SusanM32 (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Our HOA is in a busy area. We have a lake and a number of amenitie that are used on a regular basis, by the general public. As a result, we have a great deal of risk of liablity associated with our amenities. Does the Board have a resposibility to mitigate the risk as much as possible by hiring security guards or putting up a fence to reduce the number of trespassers on the common areas? In addition, does the Board need to get approval of the residents to do mitigate the risks?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why? At some point your going to be sued or threatened. It is life. Look at the end result if you do. The court can only make one whole not a profit. Are you going to spend more money preventing or living?

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CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Yes, I think the board has a duty to mitigate the risk as much as possible. Look in your governing documents, especially bylaws, to see if they address this in the sections that talk about duties of the board.

Strangers on the property risk getting injured, and they also put homeowners and their property at risk. I'm surprised your homeowners aren't already yelling about this because aside from the liability issues, the added wear and tear on your amenities will shorten their useful life and increase expenses overall (both operating expenses for routine repairs and reserve requirements for replacements).

Another thing: insurance premiums are rising across the country, and in some cases doubling year over year. You don't want to do anything to increase your premiums unless it's unavoidable.

As for getting homeowner approval, it depends what you're planning to do. Put up fencing: probably need approval. Hire security patrols: probably don't need approval. My personal opinion based on the little you've written: the board has been negligent up until now and is also at risk for getting themselves sued by the membership as a result. They need to get on with it since you've been stupid lucky up until now, and in this business luck will only get you so far.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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I'm unclear if the general public using your amenities are invited or not. If they are invited, you may be opening yourself up to ADA issues also.

I think you are responsible for mitigating risk at a reasonable cost. Is it reasonable to hire a security guard to patrol so that you can try and prevent burglary or car theft? Probably. But it may not be reasonable to pay for a squad of security guards or a six foot fence all around the community.

If nothing else, you should post "residents only" and "no trespassing" signs. If someone gets injured they are going to sue no matter what, but at least you could say that they were trespassing and assumed the risk.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SusanM32 on 08/16/2023 1:52 PM
Our HOA is in a busy area. We have a lake and a number of amenitie that are used on a regular basis, by the general public
Are these people technically trespassing?
SusanM32 (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
They are uninvited. In fact, we live in a tourist destination area and the number of vacation rentals, just outside our HOA, has exploded and many of the rental guests use the amenities.
SusanM32 (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Yes.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SusanM32 on 08/16/2023 3:11 PM
Yes.
Then I urge the fence, security guards and all else modern technology involves to keep them out. If owners are not really using or enjoying such-and-such amenity, consider having the owners vote to eliminate it.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Lori,
I think your comment below makes the most sense to me. Who knows if it would hold up in court but spending lots of dollars on security or fences would be a burden on your HOA and may not help anyway.

If nothing else, you should post "residents only" and "no trespassing" signs. If someone gets injured, they are going to sue no matter what, but at least you could say that they were trespassing and assumed the risk.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
Talk with your HOA insurance agent and seek his or her advice on what steps to take to protect the association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
MichaelS makes sense.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By SusanM32 on 08/16/2023 1:52 PM
Our HOA is in a busy area. We have a lake and a number of amenitie that are used on a regular basis, by the general public. As a result, we have a great deal of risk of liablity associated with our amenities. Does the Board have a resposibility to mitigate the risk as much as possible by hiring security guards or putting up a fence to reduce the number of trespassers on the common areas? In addition, does the Board need to get approval of the residents to do mitigate the risks?

I would put up no trespassing signs asap. In California, recreational use of private property can never ripen into a prescriptive easement but maybe is can in NC...then you'll never get rid of them.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By SusanM32 on 08/16/2023 3:08 PM
They are uninvited. In fact, we live in a tourist destination area and the number of vacation rentals, just outside our HOA, has exploded and many of the rental guests use the amenities.

Renters are entitled to use the landlord's amenities.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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I'm sorry, I thought renters were inside HOA. If they're outside, kick the bums out!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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No they are not. If the owner is behind in dues we do not let renters use the HOA items the dues pay for.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Susan

Consider some signage such as Residents Use Only. Private Property No Trespassing, etc.
SusanM32 (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
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Thank you. we do have all those signs but no one pays attention to them.

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