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DennisG7 (Georgia)
Posts: 155
Posted:
We are blessed with only a small handful of our homes under lease in our HOA . A few days ago I received a large number of calls and texts messages at 7AM regarding a police raid on one of the properties in the HOA. From what I understand a large number of police or sheriffs accompanied by FBI and ATF agents surrounded a home. They were dressed out in tactical gear. They used a bullhorn to summon the occupants out of the home, taking a man into custody. Federal documents we have obtained shows that he was charged under a federal warrant with alleged crimes in California. We are in GA.

I am trying to get a better understanding of what had happened to better answer questions from HOA members. Since I was aware that the property was lease I asked our mgmt. company to send me a copy of the lease, which they did the following day. It appears that the lessee that signed the 20+page lease DOES NOT LIVE in the home. To our knowledge the occupant(s) living there are not related in any way to the person leasing the property.

In reading the lease a couple provisions jumped out at me. One said that the property may not be subleased. Another was a page long provision dealing with conducting any illegal or criminal activities, which was grounds for immediate revocation of the lease.

Here's my question. Does the HOA have a case against the Leasing Company, based in TX, for getting the current occupants evicted or taking action against the person who signed the lease, but does not live there? Or should we try and find the person that signed the lease. FYI the property is owned by an LLC in Chicago.

The bottom line is that the person arrested has 3 prior convictions, several being felonies. We just want them out and I'm trying to figure out if we can make a case for eviction.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Dennisg7
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The HOA's only action is against the owner, not the lessee (the lease agreement was between them, not the HOA), so you may need to start with the LLC to see if they were aware of what was going on. Especially since it appears the house was subleased, which was a violation of the lease agreement, so I would think they're just as interested as you in finding out what happened.

As far as getting the people out, you'd probably have to sue the owner for causing a condition that affected the quiet enjoyment of the community. Read your documents to see what they say about establishing/maintaining a nuisance, then talk to your association attorney about options. Hold onto your knickers, getting this resolved may take some time and take some twisted turns.

Yeesh - don't get me started on LLCs. We had several in our community because it's a townhouse community, and so many people rent out their homes. This is the type of BS that can happen when landlords rent to anyone with a pulse and don't keep tabs on the home - the stuff they had in the lease is fine, but if you don't check the house every now and then, what happens? People set up LLCs to protect their personal assets if the business goes sideways - the house is usually the only asset the LLC owns.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is none the HOA business. The HOA does not hold the lease. They can contact the owner or who is handling the lease to know the situation. Otherwise the HOA can just eag tongues not war.

Former HOA President
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Our association added to our governing documents, the requirement that the owner must have lived in the unit two years before the unit can be leased. As stated in an earlier thread, we would fine the owner of the unit not the person who leased it.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Another thought - it's good you don't have a lot of rentals in your community now, but that can change. There are tons of older conversations on this website about the ins and outs of rentals, so if this situation has people riled up, this may be a good time to start a discussion on establishing policies that compel landlords to keep better track of what their tenants are doing. Some people might suggest rental caps, but that's a whole nother conversation. I've found it's better to hold the owners' feet to the fire because they don't want fines and lawsuits cutting into profits.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The HOA has zero cases against the rental agent, as the HOA was not involved in the contract.

As was pointed out, the owner is responsible for the actions of their tenants or guests.

Honestly, unless this issue is on-going, it sounds like the issue has been resolved as the individual has been taken into custody.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree with the other posters that the HOA probably has no grounds to pursue this, but take a very hard look at your lease restriction in your CC&Rs. All of the things that the previous commenters have said are true in my community - and our lawyer even told us that the association must limit its interactions to the landlord/owner. But in our lease restriction, just as bold as brass, it states that the association has the authority to evict a tenant. Other posters have said that their associations can also evict.

So ... talk to the association attorney about this. The situation is murky. Tenants are protected by landlord-tenant laws. People living homes without any lease agreement also have rights, you can't just kick 'em out. You're probably safe limiting your actions to fining the landlord, but the association needs to be very sure it's complying with all relevant laws - and figuring this out is probably above the pay grade for boards and community managers. For instance, does the association have any kind of liability if they were not monitoring leases in the community? I don't know the answer to that, but it's a question to be asked.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Since it's a federal charge, would you please keep him in Georgia?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By DennisG7 on 08/10/2023 4:39 AM

In reading the lease a couple provisions jumped out at me. One said that the property may not be subleased.
Problem 1: You do not know if the home was sub-leased. The recent or current occupants might be "guests" of the lessee.
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Posted By DennisG7 on 08/10/2023 4:39 AM
Another was a page long provision dealing with conducting any illegal or criminal activities, which was grounds for immediate revocation of the lease.
Problem 2: Unless Georgia is uniquely capably of offering a speedy trial, as of this writing the guy hauled out of the house has not been convicted of any crime in the house. Georgia is a lovely state AFAIC but I believe it battles with backed-up courts and overworked DAs and public defenders (if applicable here) as much as the rest of the state.
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Posted By DennisG7 on 08/10/2023 4:39 AM
Here's my question. Does the HOA have a case against the Leasing Company, based in TX, for getting the current occupants evicted or taking action against the person who signed the lease, but does not live there?
Does the lease require the lessee to live there, especially if guests are using the home?
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Posted By DennisG7 on 08/10/2023 4:39 AM
The bottom line is that the person arrested has 3 prior convictions, several being felonies. We just want them out and I'm trying to figure out if we can make a case for eviction.
Your HOA should feel free to go ahead and try to throw out people with prior convictions and who have served their time. I expect HUD will come knocking on your door soon wanting to hear why it should not sue the HOA and you for a Fair Housing Act violation.

You say you want to be able to respond to gossi... um... questions from neighbors. You need to respond the way Janet Reno would respond: "We are investigating and evaluating all options. Next question." In other words, like a professional.

Do not offer opinions. If a question has an obvious factual answer to it, give the facts. Do not speculate or egg on people's emotions. Do not pretend to know what is going on. Refer people early and often to what the governing documents say about the lease and the HOA's control of lessees. Repeatedly state we are investigating all options.

Good job, FBI and police. If I lived in this HOA, I would be relieved they are watching the neighborhood.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
The only thing you can do is summon the homeowner to a hearing and fine them the maximum penalty. We had the same thing with a SWAT raid on subletters.
We have a provision in our CC&R's a fine for Threatening the safety of the community. This provision is for discharging fireworks and police raids where officers
descend on a property and the community or a portion of the community is impacted.

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