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SK2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our HOA has had significant "operating" surplus over the past few years and the Board is reluctant to (a) either reduce the HOA fees for the following fiscal year, or (b) return the $ to the home-owners. Some of the home-owners believe it should be returned as "operating funds" are specifically earmarked for current year "operating" expenses. If this were deficits, I am sure we would have had an assessment" by now. Any thoughts?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I am of the mindset of once you open Pandora's box, keep it open. There may be a dead cat in there... If the HOA gives back the money to the members, that will cause future issues of collecting money when you all need it. People will say "We got money back X years ago, why is are budget so bad now?". It will be a struggle to convince people to ever believe the board can handle the money given to them even if doing a great job.

My recommendation? Spend the money on a much needed project. Example: Buy flowers for the common area. Hire pressure washers to clean. Apply it to an annoying project that would benefit from some funds.

Former HOA President
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Please report back what, if anything, you know about your HOA's reserve account.

Do you know the definition of "percent funded" as it pertains to reserves?

Is this a condo?

Is this HOA subject to FS 718 or FS 720 or something else?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SK2 on 07/20/2023 5:26 PM
Our HOA has had significant "operating" surplus over the past few years and the Board is reluctant to (a) either reduce the HOA fees for the following fiscal year,
Couldn't the surplus, rolled forward to the following fiscal year's budget, actually be helping the HOA Board avoid having to raise the assessment for the following fiscal year?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Suggest asking your tax return preparer what the implications are.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I agree with Melissa and Terri. Returning the money will also mean you'll need to file the appropriate forms with the IRS and the homeowners will have to list that on their tax returns. It can also mess up your budgets in the future because people will get used to that returned money in a hurry and yell (loudly) when they don't get it back.

We didn't always have budget surpluses, but when we did, we transferred the money to our reserves fund - that may be the best option for you. If you don't have one (you should if you have lots of common areas to address), use the money to get a reserve study and then set up the fun. he study will give you recommendations on how to fund it. Don't know what I'm talking about? There are lots of old conversations on this website about the subject so do some searches and have fun.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Typically any surplus is added to the Reserves especially when operating expenses can vary such as snowplowing, roof replacement, etc.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Are all your obligations being paid out? If you have a large surplus of operating cash, what do your reserves look like? Deposit some cash into your reserves, get that account to near
100% funded. Do the above before you reduce assessments.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973
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The only thing I would add: do you have a Reserve Study? If so, what kind of recommendations does it make about future expenses and reserve contributions? Putting the surplus into reserves now might be a lot less painful than scrabbling for money down the road.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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State laws often spell out how surplus operating funds are to be handled, which is why ElleN asked if this community is subject to FS 718 or FS 720 or something else.

When we know the answer to this, we will know which state laws apply to this community and what these laws say about surpluses, if anything.

And why was there a surplus? Careless budgeting? A maintenance project that had to be put off for some reason? The answer to this will suggest the answer to the question (consistent with state law). A maintenance project won't just go away on its own unless the board really doesn't know what they're doing. Returning the funds to the membership or putting the money into reserves doesn't make sense if the money is needed in the short term.

As JohnC46 mentioned, associations in my part of the country have to deal with snow removal, which is nearly impossible to budget for accurately. There's almost always a surplus or a shortfall at the end of the winter, so any surplus is held in what we call "snow reserves". It's not kept with the regular reserve accounts since these can't be tapped for operating expenses unless the money is repaid at the end of the fiscal year, which makes no sense for a variable operating expense. Our snow reserves are more of a "budget stabilization fund", which actually has a precedent in my state since Ohio is required by law to have a balanced budget.

(Quote: "The BSF is a reserve balance that is set aside during good economic times to protect the state budget from cyclical changes in revenues and expenses that may occur during poor economic times.")

Personal opinion: laws that prevent community associations from doing something like budget stabilization across multiple years are taking away a needed tool, since operating needs don't necessarily follow the calendar. In the name of promoting good governance and "consumer rights", the states' community association laws actually tie boards' hands and make financial game playing more likely.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By CathyA3 on 07/22/2023 5:11 AM
Our snow reserves are more of a "budget stabilization fund", which actually has a precedent in my state since Ohio is required by law to have a balanced budget.

(Quote: "The BSF is a reserve balance that is set aside during good economic times to protect the state budget from cyclical changes in revenues and expenses that may occur during poor economic times.")

Personal opinion: laws that prevent community associations from doing something like budget stabilization across multiple years are taking away a needed tool, since operating needs don't necessarily follow the calendar. In the name of promoting good governance and "consumer rights", the states' community association laws actually tie boards' hands and make financial game playing more likely.
Pretty interesting, IMO. This 2017 article says every state but one* has some sort of BSF: https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/publication/149156/budget-stabilization-funds_3.pdf . I am pondering whether this would work for a HOA, as an alternative to an "operating budget contingency fund." Certainly and as was mentioned, what HOA/COA statutes say about surpluses has to be considered.

Of course, establishing such a fund and determining how it would be used would require expert advice. As in the accountant says, "Put this surplus in the BSF this year, and not into reserves" or "Take $___ from the BSF to make up for the operating deficit."

* In 2017, this state was Montana. Today I think even Montana has a BSF, having enacted a BSF statute right around the time the article linked above was published?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By SheliaH on 07/21/2023 5:32 AM
I agree with Melissa and Terri. Returning the money will also mean you'll need to file the appropriate forms with the IRS and the homeowners will have to list that on their tax returns. It can also mess up your budgets in the future because people will get used to that returned money in a hurry and yell (loudly) when they don't get it back.

... snip ...

OK, dumb question time since I'm not up on all the tax laws.

Why would homeowners have to report the return of funds on their tax returns? I don't think that assessments are deductible - my tax prep software doesn't ask about it, so I assume they're not. And refunded assessments aren't new money/income - they probably come out of current earnings which is already being reported. If people truly have to report this as new money, then I really wouldn't want the money back since it would mess up my tax planning.

I can see why this would affect the association's income and what's reported on that return, but for the homeowners...?

And I agree about it messing with people's heads, since extra money seems to get spent more often than not.

(Note: if this country taxed on spending rather than on income, my answer would change.)
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By SK2 on 07/20/2023 5:26 PM
Our HOA has had significant "operating" surplus over the past few years and the Board is reluctant to (a) either reduce the HOA fees for the following fiscal year, or (b) return the $ to the home-owners. Some of the home-owners believe it should be returned as "operating funds" are specifically earmarked for current year "operating" expenses. If this were deficits, I am sure we would have had an assessment" by now. Any thoughts?

A significant operating surplus can be achieved a few different ways:

1. Yes, dues rates can be too high for the size of the community and maintenance needs
2. The HOA board may be quite competent in making repairs and conducting maintenance, which can hold on costs.
3. The HOA operation/community gets "lucky" and doesn't face repairs as expected....but those repairs will come due.
4. The HOA board "saves money" by not conducting maintenance as well as it should, which will result in operations cost spikes later on

It's gonna be one of those four scenarios, likely #2-#4, as there would be homeowner scrutiny if an HOA is confiscating money to simply hoard it.

The best course of action is for the HOA board to shift operating budget surpluses to the Reserve Fund or to create an Operating Reserve Fund that can support a "crazy" year where operational costs run unexpectedly high due to "Murphy's Law."

The HOA board should then consider pausing dues increases to allow inflation to "eat" the value of the surplus. Trying to issue homeowners a rebate is cumbersome and easily mistake-prone. You'd have to find previous owners while ensuring the new owners get a prorated discount. Delinquent accounts would need to be accommodated but issuing account credits may affect legal collections efforts. It's a mess.

If homeowners create too much of a "stink," the HOA board can spend the budget into a balance, leaving nothing to rebate. That's essentially how an HOA should handle its operational budget but that can be very wasteful. Just make sure your owners aren't killing a good thing. A bad HOA board won't give you the option to complain about budget surpluses.
JamesV3 (New Hampshire)
Posts: 50
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Any surplus condo fee income gets rolled over to the following year.
IRS Resolution 70-604. (Requires YES Majority vote by unit owners).
If the majority is NO then refunds are issued.
Most of the time the amount isn't large enough to split 144 ways.

In all the years I have been living in my association the vote has been YES. (to Roll over)
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By KellyM3 on 07/22/2023 8:51 AM
Posted By SK2 on 07/20/2023 5:26 PM
Our HOA has had significant "operating" surplus over the past few years and the Board is reluctant to (a) either reduce the HOA fees for the following fiscal year, or (b) return the $ to the home-owners. Some of the home-owners believe it should be returned as "operating funds" are specifically earmarked for current year "operating" expenses. If this were deficits, I am sure we would have had an assessment" by now. Any thoughts?


A significant operating surplus can be achieved a few different ways:

1. Yes, dues rates can be too high for the size of the community and maintenance needs
2. The HOA board may be quite competent in making repairs and conducting maintenance, which can hold on costs.
3. The HOA operation/community gets "lucky" and doesn't face repairs as expected....but those repairs will come due.
4. The HOA board "saves money" by not conducting maintenance as well as it should, which will result in operations cost spikes later on

It's gonna be one of those four scenarios, likely #2-#4, as there would be homeowner scrutiny if an HOA is confiscating money to simply hoard it.
For many HOAs, the guesstimation involved in HOA/COA budgeting is often staggering. Owners who have never tried to put themselves in the shoes of a HOA/COA treasurer will not understand.

The sole reason so many associations are "able" to maintain each owner's annual assessment the same for several years running is almost undoubtedly fudging when it comes to reserve contributions. Meaning much of the time, the reserve fund is being shortchanged. If a board naively caves to owners' demands not to raise the assessment, reserve funding can fall well behind schedule. Then a board is stuck with a large increase in the assessment; a special assessment; or taking out a loan (which while done from time to time, IMO is horrible).

CathyA3, I think the comment about owners owing taxes on refunds of assessments (due to a budget surplus) was a post-o. By my reading, owners could own taxes on a HOA capital gain (like selling off land or a corporate vehicle), but not on a refund of assessments.

JamesV3, if owners at a HOA vote "No" on the resolution of which IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604 speaks, a HOA board can still lawfully apply any surplus to the following year's budget. The effects of //not// refunding a surplus to owners, without a "Yes" vote on the resolution, are strictly tax effects. If a HOA files tax form 1120-H, there are no tax effects. If the HOA files tax form 1120, then there may be tax effects.

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