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SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
Posted:
Does aonyone in a multi-unit build have a policy or guidelines for having dryer vents cleaned? We have 2 12 unit buildings and are trying to decide if we should have the dryer vents cleaned and if so how often. We have had them cleaned once in 27 years.
MarkS42 (North Carolina)
Posts: 70
Posted:
Attached is a policy I was working on. You may want to do cost sharing as well.

Notice: I am no expert on fire safety and imply no recommendations. You should consult your own CCR, Bylaws and counsel for applicable laws in your state..

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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
MarkS's draft policy looks really good and is very similar to ours in our multi-story condo bldg. One difference is that ours strongly instructs residents to move items out of their laundry closet or room to give the techs space to do their work.

Are your buildings multi-story too, Sam, or just multi unit? I'll describe our set-up since it might be different. From our dryer vent in our laundry room wall, a duct runs about 25 feet in our ceiling and terminates in the ceiling of each unit's balcony. There's a booster fan in our a laundry closet to turn on and run while the dryer is running to move any lint on thru the duct.

The PM arranges for this service annually and residents sign up. Each resident pays for their own inspection. At this time, it's not mandatory.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Before you draft a policy, you need to check your CC&Rs to determine if dryer vents are association responsibility or unit owner responsibility.

In my CC&Rs, for example, dryer vents are defined as part of the unit and it's on the individual owners to maintain them. If your CC&Rs say that the vents are common elements, then the association is responsible. Treatment of limited (exclusive use) common elements varies - in some communities the association takes care of them and in others it's the unit owners who do.

Long story short, if your CC&Rs say that the dryer vents are part of the unit or a limited common element that the owner is responsible for, then the association can't just go in and clean them. The best solution in that case is to negotiate a deal with a local company that performs this work and encourage owners to take advantage of the deal. *But the owners have to deal with the company directly,* Otherwise it creates liability for the association where there shouldn't be any.
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
Posted:
We have two 3 story building with 4 units on each floor. Every unit but one has a washer and dryer. All dryer vents go from the unit through the units above them and out the roof. We are concerned about dirty dryer vents being a fire hazard. I guess my first question is are dryer vents in a multi-unit building a fire hazard that needs addressed by the HOA.
MarkS42 (North Carolina)
Posts: 70
Posted:
Cathy makes some great points about looking at you CCRs. In our units the actual vent outside is the responsibility of the HOA but the ducts are considered limited common elements so technically they are the responsibility of the owner. If you get a group deal you should be paying around 60-90 per unit. I treat this as an insurance policy. There are also cost savings when the vents are clear. Clothes dry faster. It also reduces strain on the dryer as well. Most owners will not do the proper cleaning if left to their own decision making. It also leads to more maintenance calls. I would think it pays for itself.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
They may indeed be a fire hazard if they're not being cleaned out regularly. But how you respond to this is governed by what your CC&Rs/Declaration have to say about the vents. Are they part of the unit? Do your CC&Rs say that homeowners are responsible for maintaining, repairing and replacing the items that make up their units? Do the CC&Rs spell out any exceptions to this? Or are the dryer vents considered common elements, and where is the dividing line (if any) between the portion of the vent that is considered "unit" and the part that is considered "common elements"?

In multi-story condo buildings, dryer vents or at least some portion of them may be considered common elements (and thus association responsibility). In my two-story condo and townhouse-style buildings, though, the dryer vents are 100% "unit", do not pass through other units, and are owner responsibility.

Like many things with condos, simple questions can have complicated answers because the dividing lines between who owns what is often not obvious. If the association jumps the gun and tries to maintain things that it isn't responsible for, this increases expenses and increases liability as well (ie, "you broke it, you bought it").

Just from the description of your buildings, though, I'm guessing that your dryer vents are common elements and should be cleaned periodically by the association. How often? Companies that perform this service may have a good idea of how dirty vents in a "typical" building of that sort can get - keeping in mind that these folks want your business and that this can affect their advice. The association's insurer may also have advice, although they too will probably err on the side of caution since they don't want to pay claims if they don't have to.

But this is a guess based on the fact that your dryer vents run through other units. Your CC&Rs should confirm that they are in fact common elements.

FWIW, I've lived in condos and apartment complexes my entire adult life, and I can't remember a single dryer vent fire. The condos were new construction, so that could affect things, but the apartments were older (built in the 70s, so lots of time to accumulate lint). Our bigger problem was birds trying to nest in the vents unless they were capped, and that could cause trouble. It's also easy to prevent.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, do find out just who is responsible for the dryer vents & ducts. Most CC&Rs, with respect to "utilities," specify that if an item serves only my unit, I'm responsible to maintain it. I'm also responsible for the booster fan in my laundry closet that sends lint out the dryer duct to the bldg. exterior.

If your vents/ducts each only serve one unit, I'd say changes are the owner is responsible. If not sure, you might need your HOA attorney's opinion.

Since your vents/ducts run upwards as much as 3 stories, they really do need to be cleaned. You do have booster fans to move the lint up? I assume when you say they run through units above, you mean they run through common areas (between walls) through which other plumbing runs?

To elaborate, our PM sends a notice to owners that the dryer duct techs will arrive to clean ducts at certain dates. We owners make arrangements with the firm. and pay them. Our new CC&Rs do permit the Board to make such inspections & cleaning mandatory because lack of maintenance could possibly cause water damage. What? Yes.

All of our ducts have a construction defect that makes them somewhat less efficient to run. Our Board chose not to use settlement funds to repair it as it would have been hugely expensive and would have meant that more important defects would have to wait a long time for reserves to build up, etc. The Board paid for an opinion from a specialist who's NOT in the biz of cleaning, repairing, etc. ducts. His opinion was that IF they were cleaned annually, we should have no water-leak problems. We have NO fire danger in his opinion. and, indeed in ours & the several high rises that surround ours, in the 18 years I've lived here, there's never been a dryer-vent fire.

Because of the long 25 ft. dryer duct run from the laundry closet to the balcony ceiling, there HAVE been a few incidents of water leaking from the ducts onto the floor and in some cases down to the units below. If residents don't clean their lint screen and if they also fail to run their booster, lint builds up in the duct work. Since it's cold wet air that runs through the duct the condensation can built up in the lint & it becomes water-logged to the extent that leaks occur.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By SamE2 on 07/19/2023 7:12 AM
We have two 3 story building with 4 units on each floor. Every unit but one has a washer and dryer. All dryer vents go from the unit through the units above them and out the roof. We are concerned about dirty dryer vents being a fire hazard. I guess my first question is are dryer vents in a multi-unit building a fire hazard that needs addressed by the HOA.
The fire hazard is real. From nj.gov/dca/news/news/2021/approved/20210426.html:

The National Fire Protection Association tracks reported residential fires and data show that dryer fires involving lint accumulated in the dryer vent to be among the leading causes of residential fires.

In 2010-2014, U.S. fire departments responded to an estimated average of 15,970 home structure fires involving clothes dryers or washing machines each year.

These fires caused annual averages of 13 civilian deaths, 444 civilian injuries, and $238 million in direct property damage.

Most of the fires (92 percent) involved clothes dryers.


Given insurance concerns; the configuration of the vents (with multiple units' vents likely joining so as to reduce roof penetrations); and the undesirability of having multiple contractors on the buildings' roofs, I advise the HOA to immediately begin arranging for cleaning of the vents on either a yearly or semi-annual basis (per counsel on the net).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
15,970 laundry fires/ann '10-'14, mostly dryers, sounds like a big, big number, but considering how many millions & millions of dryer loads are run annually in the USA, 1,300 a month isn't shocking (awful for those involved, of course!) I lived with (or survived) 3 teenage daughters, who each constantly "needed" to run the dryer. I think my household accounted for a lot of total dryer loads in those years!

I'd hoped to find up-to-date data, but no luck in my brief search. A different article using the same old data reports that mechanical failure caused 27% of dryer fires and electrical failures caused 16% of fires. 32% of dryer fires were caused by a "failure to clean." https://germaniainsurance.com/blogs/post/germania-insurance-blog/2020/07/17/the-most-common-causes-of-dryer-fires-and-how-you-can-prevent-them.

So there are multiple causes of dryer fires and everyone should make sure their dryers are mechanically/electrically sound, and that their duct lines are straight & clean.

I'd dislike sharing my dryer vent/duct with other units precisely because I wouldn't know if they were running their boosters or cleaning their lint screens. Their negligence, assuming it would partially clog the duct work with wet lint, would reduce the life of my dryer and raise my electric bill. But, perhaps the developer of Sam's HOA was overly thrifty. About 25% of our residents are renters in our 200+ condo bldg., and anecdotal evidence is that they are least likely to clean their vent screens & run their booster fans.

IF Sam's set-up includes a shared duct line--presumably 3 units per line--then the duct line and termination vent is either limited use common area (part of the definition often is: used by one or more but not all) OR common area. As in our unique case, I'd only follow the advice of an expert on how often Sam's ducts should be cleaned. My HOA's once/ann. schedule may be be too often for Sam's HOA, or not enough. It depends... If the HOA does pay, it seems the unit with no laundry hook-ups should not have to pay this extra fee.

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
CathyA3, well said.
JamesV3 (New Hampshire)
Posts: 50
Posted:
Our Dryer Vents are common area. We have them cleaned annually.
Worth it doing this for us every year especially because our buildings are older (1987) and wood frame construction.
We budget this as a line item.
I was very surprised this year when they did them lots of lint this year VS last year In my building.
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
Posted:
Thank you for the replies. Each unit does have their own vent. Looks like I’ll have to check our documents.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since each unit has its own dryer vent & duct line, as with all other utilities that serve only your unit, generally the covenants will say the owner is responsible, as do ours.

The Association, however, still may make a policy about maintenance because of the possible negative effects of lack of maintenance on other units or the common areas. Whether your board can make maintenance of a dryer by a specialist mandatory also depends on your CC&Rs. You may need your HOA attorney's opinion about that topic.

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