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DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
When our HOA was formed the initial budget was allocated using a unit's square footage -
the percentage increase in the total budget for the next year was applied to the previous
allocation by unit .

I was wondering what others use for a method to allocate the annual budget - e.g. local town
property assessments .
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It depends on what type of community you live in. High rise condos often set assessments based on the percentage of the unit's square footage, but in detached single family homes or townhouse communities like mine, the line items in the budget are totaled and then divided by the number of units. In some communities, the board can increase the assessment as high as it wants, while in others (like mine), increased to next year's assessment may be up to a certain percentage without homeowner approval (e.g. 5%) - anything higher would have to be approved by the homeowners.

It's not a precise science and no one method works better than another - you'll need to consider your community's needs, whether it would be easier to divide everything equally or go by percentage (larger homes use more resources and so they pay more). You'll also need to factor in inflation - that varies all over the country and while no one likes assessment increases, it's important that they keep up with inflation so you can cover your costs and fund reserves according to the reserve study recommendation.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
First, Donald, does the variable rate apply to every item in your operating budget? Or just certain ones, aka, a ā€œblended rate?ā€ How many units are there?

My multi-story condo sets assessments based on sq.ft. uses a blended rate: ā€œBlended Rate "Regular Assessment" shall mean and refer to the annual charge against each Owner and his respective Condominium representing a portion of the Common Expenses of the Association; (1) The "Base Assessment Component" (defined below) shall be allocated equally among Owners... and (2) the "Variable Assessment Component" shall allocated on a pro-rata basis according to a Condominium's square footageā€¦ā€ https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/A/Assessment-Allocation.

The citation is from a CA HOA law firm’s website with an excellent Index. Though many entires are about CA, many others can apply to any HOA.
Our variable assessment components set by the developer over 20 yard ago are gas, water, and building insurance. When we finally did a rewrite of our CC&Rs last year, we directors decided to keep the variable component as is even though nonsensical. Owners would’ve obsessed about whether the new components were ā€˜fair,ā€ even though we informally determined the rate itself would barely change. (We have 31 different s.f. among our units)

Rewriting our entire 100+ pages CC&Rs was far too important to gin up controversy about such an insignificant change that could’ve made it more difficult than it was given we needed 67% approval from all units. A couple of owners (of 200+) did inquire about changing this and their theories about what would be ā€œfairerā€ were goofy. Either way, as Shelia points out, the variable rate our HOA uses is based on the amount of use of 3 common area components. I’m can’t think of why town assessments would matter.

The points of my overly-long reply are that: assuming your variable rate is codified in your CC&Rs, you’d need to amend them. Is it worth the work to get out the vote, & the expense, e.g., mailings, attorney's opinion & advice, if your CC&Rs (Covenants, deed restrictions, declaration) are OK otherwise? Knowing HOA owners fairly well, after serving for many years on our Board, prompts me to promise that there would be arguments and controversy around the concept of "fairness." This is something simply grasped by folks in the US in general and also in HOAs. There’d be a lot of ā€œwhataboutisms.ā€
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Thanks Kerry & Shelia - we are a community of 67 attached townhouse style units - Kerry , could you give some info on what makes up your Base Assessment Components and Shelia I like your idea of a flat rate along with a cap needing homeowner approval for an assessment increase above the cap .
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/29/2023 12:55 PM
When our HOA was formed the initial budget was allocated using a unit's square footage -
the percentage increase in the total budget for the next year was applied to the previous
allocation by unit .

I was wondering what others use for a method to allocate the annual budget - e.g. local town
property assessments .
They use whatever the covenants and bylaws say they should use. Why? Because the covenants and bylaws are a contract.

Are your covenants and bylaws really silent on this point?
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Not silent , they say to allocate based on square footage but at a recent meeting one person suggested that we look at a different method .
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 10:45 AM
Not silent , they say to allocate based on square footage but at a recent meeting one person suggested that we look at a different method .

To do so would require an Amendment which would requiring owners voting. Also as it is a major change, approval of the change could easily be challenged in court.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/30/2023 10:50 AM
Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 10:45 AM
Not silent , they say to allocate based on square footage but at a recent meeting one person suggested that we look at a different method .


To do so would require an Amendment which would requiring owners voting. Also as it is a major change, approval of the change could easily be challenged in court.
Perfect response, AFAIC. Spot on.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
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Everything can be challenged in court but going to one size fits all from our current "weighted by square footage" doesn't seem that radical to warrant a lawsuit - I'm not on the Board BTW .
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 11:34 AM
Everything can be challenged in court but going to one size fits all from our current "weighted by square footage" doesn't seem that radical to warrant a lawsuit - I'm not on the Board BTW .
If the change to "one size fits all" increases the assessments enough for some of the units, it may be radical.

Perfect fairness is not possible. Every scheme of allocating assessments has its pros and cons.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Unit owners pay for their own utilities and we have no amenities - tell the guy with the bigger unit and the same size lawn to mow and driveway to shovel by our vendors that he's going to continue being rewarded by paying more in his condo fee than the guy in the tiny house .
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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You say no amenities, but are you putting away reserve funds for roofs and paint or siding? If so, I can see why the larger units pay more.

However, it all goes back to your documents. What kind of a vote does it take to do an amendment to your declaration or CC&Rs? Do you think it's likely that you could make this change and get 2/3 majority approval or whatever your documents call for? If you think you have a chance and your board is willing to pay an attorney to help with a document rewrite, then you could certainly try to get this done.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Some chatter about a California condo association that sought an amendment that would give each unit equal voting rights to every other unit:
https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Case-Law/Blue-Lagoon-v-Mitchell

Excerpt:

At the urging of several members, the Association proposed two amendments to the CC&R's. The first one provided for equal voting rights, i.e., "one unit, one vote." The second one provided the governing documents could be amended by majority, as opposed to the then required 75 percent supermajority, vote. The proposed amendments were submitted to the property owners for a vote, and despite extensive efforts by all sides, not everyone voted. Tallying the votes of those who participated in the election, the amendments failed to receive sufficient affirmative votes. The first proposal received 71 percent of the vote, and the second one received 69 percent of the vote.

The Association then filed a petition pursuant to Civil Code section 1356, which was denied. Although the court expressed concern about the validity [55 Cal.App.4th 476] of the unequal voting arrangement, and thought that amendment perhaps could be approved, it denied the petition as a whole on the basis that the proposed amendments were "unreasonable." fn. 3 The court's apparent fear was the proposed amendments, as drafted, would allow the Association to cease maintaining the seawall.


JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 12:16 PM
Unit owners pay for their own utilities and we have no amenities - tell the guy with the bigger unit and the same size lawn to mow and driveway to shovel by our vendors that he's going to continue being rewarded by paying more in his condo fee than the guy in the tiny house .

Are you saying these are standalone homes?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 9:58 AM
Thanks Kerry & Shelia - we are a community of 67 attached townhouse style units - Kerry , could you give some info on what makes up your Base Assessment Components and Shelia I like your idea of a flat rate along with a cap needing homeowner approval for an assessment increase above the cap .

Thanks, but you'll also need to be realistic about the cap percentage. Ours is 5%, which for years only amounted to a $5 increase. If your community wants to do this, I'd look at how the budget has increased over the last five - 10 years and then consider a percentage that will be realistic. A cap of 10% - 15%, for example, could be enough to give your board enough wiggle room without fighting homeowners every single year (just because it's 15% wouldn't mean an automatic increase at that rate).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
As Donald wrote above, JohnC, there're 67 attached TH -"style" homes. All they all one-story? 2-story? combination of both, Allen?

Lori observes that larger units might have more sf of roof so assessment funds that go to reserves for roof repair and replacement could be a variable component that owners contribute to at different rates. Similarly, if the HOA is obligated to paint the exteriors, then larger units could contribute more for that reserve component.

So.... what benefits do the larger units get from your services & reserves that are more than smaller units?

Right now, Donald, is it that larger units just contribute more to the entire monthly assessments not towards any specific component or service? Can you tell us what the difference is in contributions for a 1,000 sf TH vs. a 1,500 sf. TH?

I pay .30% less a month for my 1,150 sf condo than a 1,200 sf condo. So, as explained above, to mess with the formula for such a tiny $ amount is not worth the labor & expense. Unlike elleN & JohnC, I don't see any reason to worry about lawsuits-- Ellen's constant concern-- UNLESS a change to the covenants is unreasonable. I doubt this is a topic in your bylaws, BTW. I, too, do not know what she cited old CA case law about units & voting, which muddies the waters here.

Review your CC&Rs again for how to amend. Often it's near the very end.

Re: Shelia's remarks: Many CC&Rs will set how much dues may be raised w/o owners' votes. State laws also often limit what such an increase can be. So check you own docs and CT state statutes if applicable.

DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
We use SF to allocate each year's budget to our respective homeowners - at our recent annual budget meeting a member of our community noticed that his fee had grown to be much higher than his neighbor's fee - we explained that their respective shares of the budget had remained the same over the last 36 years but with many budget increases their dollar amounts had diverged exponentially much like the compounding of interest in bank account.

My takeaway from our discussion is that a flat or equal fee would be an alternative but an amendment to our governing docs would be required.

I think I joined this forum about 10 years ago at a time when I was on the board - this group ,representing many regions in the country , has a lot of knowledge and experience .

Once again thank you all for your time .

DonaldN

PS I had attached a couple of pics of our condos for JohnC , each less than 200Kb but got an error message saying they had exceeded the 1500KB limit???
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In one HOA I was a member were townhouses with 3 to 4 units per building. The dues for the "end" units were higher then the internal units as the end unit had more square footage. In my present HOA (duplexes and single family, different sizes ) the dues are the same per unit as per the Covenants.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Nice addition, JohnC, since there may be other posters who're curious about this topic. In your previous HOA, end units also had more exterior SF to maintain & paint as well as more roofing to repair/replace. Window casings too, if the HOA's obligation.

I wrote that our 200+ residential condos comprise 31 sf variations. The larger units pay more for gas, water & bldg.ins. To me, only the bldg. insurance variable makes sense because virtually all unit are 2 bedrooms, even the 8 or so that are 2-story 2,600+- (they vary) sq. ft. They have dens, which are not enclosed to be a suitable bedroom. With 2 persons per unit, we all pretty much use the same amount of water & gas (cooking, fireplaces & hot water).

When I first heard about the variables, I'd assumed they were for building exterior paint and for twice-annual window washing. We, floors 3-17, have 5 units per floor and 4 are corner units which all are larger than the lone units that have only one exterior face.

Just for fun, we also have in our CC&Rs, "special benefit areas." 194 units in "the towers," floors 3-25 pay more than the street level townhomes that line the city sidewalks, and 4 -2nd floor units that share the floors with common area amenities. The 194 units each equally pay extra for the custodial work in our hallways, extra light bulbs, the electricity to run the elevators, and into reserves to replace the carpeting, wall coverings, light fixtures and elevator vestibule tiles flooring and wall art.

So that's another way variable assessments can be fashioned. Both methods are difficult to comprehend by owners and cause debates about "fairness." If we had tinkered with either, which were mandated by our original CC&Rs, when we restated them in 2022, I think fist fights would've broken out!. So we left them alone because updating our CC&Rs as a whole was far, far more important than "correcting" those issues. I'm only mentioning them for readers who're possibly considering such schemes for their HOAs.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Keep in mind that it's nice to discuss how things are done.

However, a board must follow what is outlined in the Associations governing documents until those documents are properly amended.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
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JohnC - Here's a picture of some of our units - several different architectural styles and interior layouts - definitely not cookie cutter.
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JeffT2 (Iowa)
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Posted By DonaldN on 06/30/2023 12:16 PM
Unit owners pay for their own utilities and we have no amenities - tell the guy with the bigger unit and the same size lawn to mow and driveway to shovel by our vendors that he's going to continue being rewarded by paying more in his condo fee than the guy in the tiny house .

Yes, but tell the guy with the smaller unit that when he votes to make the fees equal that he will be rewarded by paying more in his condo fee than he did before.

Can you get the votes from the smaller units to pay more?

You also may need to get permission from mortgage holders if you're documents require it.

What do your fees cover?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Coming in late to the discussion...

I agree that any change to what the CC&Rs say about how assessments are calculated would require an amendment.

FWIW, my CC&Rs require unanimous approval for changes of this nature. We're condos, and we have three tiers of assessment based on "par value", which is loosely defined as percentage of ownership. It takes into account square footage but also things like how many contiguous units there are and how big the garage is. Any change to one of these tiers would require a change to the others since the fractional ownership of all units has to add up to 1 - hence the unanimous approval.

Note: we include water/sewer and trash collection in our monthly assessments. There is a statement in the governing docs to the effect that including utilities in the assessments may provide an unfair advantage to some owners and an unfair disadvantage to others. For example, persons living alone subsidize water usage of multiple-person households.

In general, no matter how assessments are allocated, there will be some who feel that others are getting a break and they're not. It goes with the territory.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
You're right the larger fees come down and small ones go up - it's just another way to allocate but also you likely won't please everyone no matter what - and it's also education , we have one guy who thinks it's unfair that the difference between his fee and his neighbor's fee which is less keeps getting bigger - we allocate by SF and no matter how much fees increase their respective cuts of the pie remains the same .

We have a lot of categories but the lion's share goes to lawn, snow, insurance, reserves, & general maintenance .
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
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CathyA - Thanks for posting , would like to get more specific detail on your "Par Value" method - it sounds interesting but I'd like to fully understand it .

Thanks , DonN
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 07/07/2023 4:49 AM
Coming in late to the discussion...

I agree that any change to what the CC&Rs say about how assessments are calculated would require an amendment.

FWIW, my CC&Rs require unanimous approval for changes of this nature. We're condos, and we have three tiers of assessment based on "par value", which is loosely defined as percentage of ownership. It takes into account square footage but also things like how many contiguous units there are and how big the garage is. Any change to one of these tiers would require a change to the others since the fractional ownership of all units has to add up to 1 - hence the unanimous approval.

Note: we include water/sewer and trash collection in our monthly assessments. There is a statement in the governing docs to the effect that including utilities in the assessments may provide an unfair advantage to some owners and an unfair disadvantage to others. For example, persons living alone subsidize water usage of multiple-person households.

In general, no matter how assessments are allocated, there will be some who feel that others are getting a break and they're not. It goes with the territory.

CathyA - Am interested in the details of the "par value" method - Thanks DonaldN .
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I'd ay only charge the larger units more for items that benefit them due to their size. This appears to be mainly reserves items: roofs, siding, ext. paint, gutters, maybe garage doors is some are only single. Window casings?

But once someone goes to all of the trouble to calculate what each unit would pay, would it make that much difference from what you have now? In other words, as our board decided, the predicted unhappiness from some owners and possible dissension might not be worth amending your CC&Rs & the time & expense that involves.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By DonaldN on 07/07/2023 6:54 AM
CathyA - Thanks for posting , would like to get more specific detail on your "Par Value" method - it sounds interesting but I'd like to fully understand it .

Thanks , DonN

"Par value" isn't something we homeowners determined - it's defined in Article II of our Declaration (Establishment of Condominium and Division of Condominium Property). We have a number of different floorplans in my community (2 or 3 bedrooms, 1 or 2 car garages, square footage ranging from approximately 1100 - 2500, some with slab foundations and others with finished lower levels). The par value is tied to the floorplan and is essentially the percentage of the condominium property that is owned by the unit owner.

Par value correlates roughly with square footage, but other factors are part of it. All the townhouses are in the middle tier. The condos are either first floor or second floor units, and the smaller ones are in the first tier (lowest assessment). The large condos are either second or third tier. Generally the higher the tier. the more "desirable" the unit is to buyers. But as you can tell, "desirable" is vague and may boil down to opinion.

We would not change our par values unless something really unusual happened. The community is finished, we won't be adding anything to it (there's no available land around us). I suppose it's possible that a sink hole could open up under one of our buildings. Or if we had been built on a bluff and some of the land collapsed and took a building or two with it - this actually happened to a community one state over - it may not be possible to rebuild and so percentages of ownership would have to be re-calculated. But we wouldn't do that, lawyers and other professionals would be involved.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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As Kathy said:
The par value is tied to the floorplan and is essentially the percentage of the condominium property that is owned by the unit owner.

If ones docs call for "apportioned" dues then it could be based on par value. Ours say same for dues each unit regardless of size.

I have seen it go both ways with neither way being wrong unless it contradicts one's docs.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
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Cathy , it would be great if you could scan or copy the key elements of Article II and attach it to a post - because it sounds pretty vague , i.e.you mention square footage but also number of garage spaces , number of bedrooms , desirability to buyers , slab or no slab , condos vs town homes , and floor plan - it sounds to me that either the developer or maybe the first board arbitrarily decided that certain units should carry more or less weight in apportioning the budget.

But also there could have been a rationale behind the reasoning that is contained in Article II - would be nice to know more about your budget assessment process because we are similar except we don't have any slabs - but we have 1 & 2 car garages, 1-3 floors , & different architectural designs - we refer to our units as just condos but maybe they are actually Town Homes - I've attached a typical neighborhood photo and maybe you would know .
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