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MacL (Florida)
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I hold a 2 month rental agreement for Jan 2023 (6 months out) in Florida. Agreement was signed in February 2023. HOA just pasted a revision restricting the rental period in the development to a min of 6 months effective August 2023. The Owner advised that he is returning my deposit. Do I still have legal rights to to exercise my lease agreement as it was enacted prior to the covenant revision by the HOA?

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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That isn't up to you. That is up to the owner of the home that is a member of the HOA. You are not a member of the HOA if your a renter. So the restriction was forced upon your landlord. Unfortunately, you not being a member have no say what the HOA does.

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TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Check to see if your city or county has a landlord/tenant mediation office.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Did you fill out an application with the HOA and pass a background check or credit check? Did you put a deposit on file with the HOA? Those are common things in seasonal rentals in Florida. While other posters are correct- this is an issue between the owner and HOA, you have a better argument if the HOA already approved your lease. If not, you would have to look at your lease and see if there might be wording in there covering this.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By MacL on 06/24/2023 4:30 PM
I hold a 2 month rental agreement for Jan 2024 (6 months out) in Florida. Agreement was signed in February 2023. HOA just pasted a revision restricting the rental period in the development to a min of 6 months effective August 2023. The Owner advised that he is returning my deposit. Do I still have legal rights to to exercise my lease agreement as it was enacted prior to the covenant revision by the HOA?
Florida statute section FS 718.303 says inter alia:

Each unit owner, tenant and other invitee, and association is governed by, and must comply with the provisions of, this chapter, the declaration, the documents creating the association, and the association bylaws which are expressly incorporated into any lease of a unit.

In my opinion, this means you are stuck abiding by the covenants just as the owner is. A few legal theories might exist for you to fight this, but I do not like your chances. More importantly the cost and time of lawyering up argue for simply looking for a new rental unit.
MacL (Florida)
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I have contracted through VRBO on several occasions including previously in this same development and I have never been required to complete HOA applications. My upcoming contract period is direct with the owner again in the same development where I have utilized VRBO in the past. Sorry for whining but to find another acceptable winter place in Florida in less that a year is near impossible.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By MacL on 06/25/2023 8:53 AM
My upcoming contract period is direct with the owner again in the same development where I have utilized VRBO in the past.
Your contract is subject to state statute, which means it is subject to the HOA's covenants. The courts would say that you signed the contract with eyes wide open, meaning, according to the courts, you knew that amendments might occur that affect your lease. A deal's a deal.

You could write the HOA a letter expressly citing FS 718.303 and point out that the contract was made before the amendment was passed. Simultaneously you would have to beg the owner to see things as you do. Though if I were the landlord, I think I would not want to deal with this and would be prioritizing getting a six-month minimum lease signed. Meaning I do not like your chances of prevailing here, even with a lawyer.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Hard to imagine an HOA can interfere with an existing valid contract. Seems that not only the renter but VRBO would have a case against the HOA for interfering with a business. Even the state here in California can't make a law that invalidates private contracts. Being a short term rental owner, I am partial.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 06/25/2023 10:20 AM
Hard to imagine an HOA can interfere with an existing valid contract.
I agree this is a fair question.

For the landlord, a bigger question is whether the amendment is even valid.

The tenant here can at least ask the HOA to "grandfather" him for this one rental period.

Else I tend to think he or she is stuck lawyering up, and the cost of the lawyer might exceed the cost of say, signing a six month lease.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Or......he can use delaying tactics like IDR, appeals, etc. until his lease is up. 😊
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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My mistake, I thought he was already a tenant, sorry.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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This may be another one of those situations where the cost of fighting something legally will be greater than the cost of just walking away and will certainly take a lot more time. I'm a big believer in the wisdom of looking at these things strictly as a monetary transaction - otherwise egos get involved, and when that happens dumb decisions can result.

Another interesting question: what happens when a landlord chooses to back out of the contract with the customer? There can be all sorts of reasons for something like that happening, and presumably the contract will address them.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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We don’t know if there’s a provision in the lease that says that it can be canceled if there was a change in the HOA requirements so the landlord simply can’t give possession.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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You could go to the VRBO website and do a search in that same development for a 2-month stay to see if any are being accepted. Then you could contact VRBO and ask them if it's true that development no longer takes 2-month stays. You can also look at the VRBO properties' calendars in the same development to see when they are booked and for how long.
KerryL1 (California)
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MacL wrote: " HOA just pasted a revision restricting the rental period in the development to a min of 6 month..." What governing document does this "revision" revise? The declaration? If so, has it been recorded with that county yet? Have you read the actual wording of the "revision?"

In the resort-like area where our high rise is--coastal Calif.-- an owner could make nearly as much with a 2-month rental as with a 6-month rental. Would your owner make much more in a 6 month lease than he does with your 2 months? Think about the possibility of signing a 6-month lease with this owner, but paying your typical 2-month lease amount. Do a little research to see what typical 6-mo. lease amount might be. Or, if you can afford it, offer him more.

Having lived in Miami, but not as a landlord, given the summer's wet heat, he might have trouble finding someone who wants 6 months from Feb. to Aug. '24.

I know my above may sound odd, but there might be a way you can work with the landlord on a solution that is good for you both.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Say, even crazier: What is the fine for have a lease shorter than 6 months. When our board first limited rentals to a month or longer in our rules, we approved a early modest fine. We upped it considerably a few months later. If the fine isn't too bad, offer to pay it to to your landlord if he get busted.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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i'm n ot a lawyer, but any contracts you hold with a certain expiration date should remain effective until that date arrives. Any new contracts
will need to be written for the new time limits.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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One of the benefits in the legislation for STR's here in Nevada, anyone that overstays a STR the innkeeper laws apply and the person is booted from the property, forcibly removed if necessary.
There are no squatters rights or standard landlord tenant eviction process to wrangle.

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