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TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
The first 1/3 of our development is a public road. We have no gates or signs that say private property. Our bulletin board where all the meeting notices are posted is next to the public road. All our roads are accessible to the public. Every time I file a small claim, the president posts every page on the bulletin board. It contains my name, address, phone number and email address.

The mailboxes are right next to the bulletin board. They have been broken into twice and had to be replaced at significant cost. So there is crime close by. My house is 1 mile from the bulletin board.

Some might argue that the claim with my personal information on it is public information. It's true that anyone can go to the court clerk and pay to have a copy made. But along comes civil code section 5230c1B which says an association shall not transmit a member's personal information to a third party without the consent of the member unless required by law to do so.

I've never objected to their posting it before but considering the recent crimes and the statutory prohibition on the association, do you think it would be appropriate now? Thanks in advance.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Sorry, the first 1/3 mile is public.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You'd have to prove the information actually went to a third party - just because it was posted doesn't mean a random person came by and copied the information. Criminals are more interested in trying yo break into someone's home or mailbox, so having your personal information probably means nothing to them, unless someone's savvy enough to try and use that to get more personal information to monetize it ( e.g sell it on the dark web.)

That said, the board president probably did this to embarrass you (dammit, here come Terri again with yet another lawsuit every time she doesn't get her way.) Take a time and date stamped photo of this and show it to the judge. Oh, you'll also need to prove the president did this - did you actually see him or her?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LizD3 (California)
Posts: 200
Posted:
Two thoughts:
1. Aren’t legal issues dealt with in executive sessions? Aren’t only Board members supposed to be privy to the issues discussed in executive sessions?
2. Isn’t this a breach of the Board’s Duty of Confidentiality?

It seems like a hell of an invasion of your privacy. I don't think the issue is that it is public. They might just as easily have posted it in an interior place, only open to the neighbors, and it would still be highly inappropriate.

I had two board members repeatedly send Board documents (budget, insurance policies, correspondence, etc.) to a non-owner (relative of one of the owners). It took me months to get them to stop (although I would not be surprised to learn they still do it, privately).

Why do people behave like this?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By TerriS6 on 06/23/2023 7:54 PM
Every time I file a small claim, the president posts every page on the [community] bulletin board. It contains my name, address, phone number and email address. [snippage] civil code section 5230c1B which says an association shall not transmit a member's personal information to a third party without the consent of the member unless required by law to do so.

I've never objected to their posting it before but considering the recent crimes and the statutory prohibition on the association, do you think it would be appropriate now?
I read Civil Code 5230(c)(1)(B). I think it's more than appropriate. I would send them a letter right this instant to cease and desist, or else. I would haul their derrieres into court post haste over this. I would name the President as an individual defendant. If I had an attorney I was consulting from time to time, I would ask her her opinion.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By LizD3 on 06/24/2023 9:09 AM
Why do people behave like this?
I still say: An owner humiliates a board. The board seeks revenge, on account of ___ psychology. Retaliation is practically instinct.

People need to be ready to respond or not respond to this sort of harassment. For this particular harassment, I would go after the President, board and HOA with tooth and nail.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Thank you, Shelia, the sign on the bulletin board says to post contact the president for permission, with his phone number.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Thank you, Liz. The code says the board "may" hold an executive session to discuss litigation.
And why? I understand the attempt at embarassing me but the document also says all the things they did. Why would you want to advertise that? Oh wait...they don't ever think they do anything wrong.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Thank you, ElleN. What I just did was send the board an email opting-out of sharing my personal information per 5220. Not that they will pay any attention. Even a fellow member has to submit a written request with a reason to get a member's personal information. Then I have to think about it more. I really value the comments here from you and others.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
The president's wife is a mean girl. When she was on the board, she announced at a board meeting that we were the worst neighbors they'd ever had. At the recent meeting, she was video-ing me with her phone and after the meeting came up to me and said "are you looking for someone who will talk to you?" Once I sent her a private message on Nextdoor and told her that her dog was digging up my front lawn. Her response was to send me two "applause" imojis. I could go on.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Terri, I see what you mean, re Civil Code 5220 and opting out.

I trust you saw that the statutory limitations for phone numbers are stricter. I imagine your HOA's bylaws do not say phone numbers are to be included in the membership list.

I think the statutes are clear that name, address and email addie (for those who have not opted out) go out only when another owner requests the "membership list." I would raise this point out as well. Clearly the HOA is not responding to an owner's request for the membership list. Clearly posting all your contact information, all by its lonesome, is not the membership list.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
No, I don't know about the phone number restrictions but I'm looking. Our by-laws don't mention membership lists. Thanks.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Terri, in case you have not seen this yet:

Telephone Numbers. The right to a membership list does not include the right to phone numbers. The member list only includes members' names, property addresses, mailing addresses and email addresses. (Civ. Code § 5200(a)(9).) The exception is if the association's governing documents require that phone numbers be included with the membership list.

See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/M/Membership-Lists
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By ElleN on 06/24/2023 11:39 AM
Terri, in case you have not seen this yet:

Telephone Numbers. The right to a membership list does not include the right to phone numbers. The member list only includes members' names, property addresses, mailing addresses and email addresses. (Civ. Code § 5200(a)(9).) The exception is if the association's governing documents require that phone numbers be included with the membership list.

See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/M/Membership-Lists

Thank you, I didn’t notice that. Also the code says you don’t have to provide an email address. Thanks.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I say a small claims court action against an association should be public information to all association members. If one cannot stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
My outlook is crystalizing. It is available to any member who wants to go to the courthouse and pay for copies. California law prohibits an association from transmitting a member's personal information. If a member opts-out of the membership list as anyone can, another member can't get that information from the association.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I am fine with the HOA distributing information about a lawsuit to owners, but only to the extent the covenants and state law allow. By not redacting the owner's address, email addie and phone number, and since this giving out the OP's address and email addie was not due to a "membership list" request, in my opinion the HOA is violating the covenants and state law. Distributing an owner's contact information in this fashion is pure harassment.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973
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Posted By ElleN on 06/24/2023 9:11 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 06/23/2023 7:54 PM
Every time I file a small claim, the president posts every page on the [community] bulletin board. It contains my name, address, phone number and email address. [snippage] civil code section 5230c1B which says an association shall not transmit a member's personal information to a third party without the consent of the member unless required by law to do so.

I've never objected to their posting it before but considering the recent crimes and the statutory prohibition on the association, do you think it would be appropriate now?
I read Civil Code 5230(c)(1)(B). I think it's more than appropriate. I would send them a letter right this instant to cease and desist, or else. I would haul their derrieres into court post haste over this. I would name the President as an individual defendant. If I had an attorney I was consulting from time to time, I would ask her her opinion.

Yeah. Take ‘em to court. You’ve done it before, right?

This BoD seems like a real bag of screwups.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Thank you, ElleN. I have a Request for Order ready to file on the day they post everything.

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