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RM9 (California)
Posts: 1
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Somebody gained access to our community mailboxes. A police report has been filed and we are reaching out to USPS. What are some cost effective deterrents?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is federal level. Talk to the postal people. There are laws involved at their level.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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How did they gain access? Steal a key? Break into the box? Before you select deterrents, you need to know what it is you're deterring.

Frankly, the most effective deterrent to mail theft has been the move to electronic mail, electronic banking, etc. No more raiding physical boxes to steal social security checks every month. If someone raids my physical mail box, they'll get a bunch of junk mail and an occasional birthday card. Removing the incentive for doing something is best deterrent you can have.

So the association should follow suit to the extent possible. I think that using my bank's bill pay system to pay assessments is the greatest thing since sliced bread - I don't forget, nothing gets lost in the mail, the amount is always correct (as long as I remember to update my bank's setup when the assessment amount changes), etc. Thanks to the pandemic, many states have seen the benefit of allowing associations to conduct business electronically. Check the most current version of your state's laws to see what they say, and then go electronic for the money handling functions at least.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 973
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Posted By RM9 on 06/19/2023 12:33 AM
Somebody gained access to our community mailboxes. A police report has been filed and we are reaching out to USPS. What are some cost effective deterrents?

We have this come up now and again. People ask the HOA if we can do anything, and we could, but the cost / benefit ratio isn’t there.

First, this is the job of the USPS and the police.

Second, setting up video to cover the mailboxes can cost a lot of money. And this is perhaps debatable, but - what was the actual dollar loss due to your theft? Nobody sends cash or expensive stuff to a USPS maiiilbox anymore - they’’ll send it via UPS, FedEx, or whatnot. Dropping $25K on a solar-powered video system to cover losses that might run $1K/year doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe it’s different in your neighborhoood,, but that’s how it worked out for us.

So what can you do? 1. USPS has a thing called Informed Mail that will alert you to ‘important’ letters coming your way (or so I’m told - I confess I don’t use it). 2.Don’t mail stuff from your community mailbox.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
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RM9,
The best defense is to make sure the area is very well lite at night. We have not had any problem in Central Texas, but we install Solar lights at all 9 of our Cluster mailbox locations. If I remember correctly, it was less than 1,000 per location. It really makes a difference and makes getting your mail in the evening much safer and our owners very happy.

Cathy,
As someone who lived in Ca. for many years and reads the weekly paper in my last hometown this is a major thing in Ca. Every week when I read the Crime Blog I will see at least 10 mailbox break-ins. I am sure this has a lot to do with all of the State Assistance checks and WIC debit cards that the State of California mails out. They also have Federal debit cards that get mailed at certain times of the months. Bad guys know the schedule of the mailers and have no problem breaking into the mail. Crime is not scary because no one gets punished anymore.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Not a whole lot you can do. Unfortunately you can buy the USPS key on the black market, popular e-commerce sites or download the
file and 3 D print one. Almost every mail room I have seen that is behind a locked door using a brass key or RFID locks always has a USPS master
key for the carrier to get inside the mail room. sadly nothing is fool proof.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By CathyA3 on 06/19/2023 1:35 PM
Oddly enough, this popped up on my news feed:

West Sacramento community take stand to prevent thieves targeting their mail

Comment: since this involves a neighborhood watch program, I would be concerned about the dangers of a physical confrontation.

People make poor voting choices electing officials change existing laws allowing criminals prey on people via no bail and not prosecuting said crimes.
This is their own fault, either change the laws back the way they were or stop crying about being victimized by ones poor voting choices.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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solar powered security cameras are $100 to $200, not $25K
installing apole for them to be placed on is maybe $300 to $1000 more depending on location.

if the key can be so easily duplicated, why not install a mini gate with lock around it.

vis ta vie
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Had this happen before. You have to deal with the Postal Inspectors for the thefts. Remember you can NOT put anything in a mailbox without a stamp on it. So can't put in a hidden camera inside the box. You can put security cameras near the cluster boxes or even fake signs you have them. If you have cluster boxes, it is best to make sure the locks are good on them. People need to replace and use them. Talk to the postal delivery person on if they will install them if provided. Ours did but others may not.

Hard to stop them but if make it look less attractive to rob by putting up plenty of lighting and signs posting it is being monitored may help.

Former HOA President
MargaretM5 (Hawaii)
Posts: 34
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Deterrents will depend on what type of boxes you have, how they're situated, and how access was gained.

We had 7 10-year-old cluster boxes located throughout our neighborhood. Each is near a street light. Street trees are kept trimmed so they don't block the light or lines of sight to the mailboxes.

Last year 2 of our mailboxes were broken into with some sort of pry bar in the outgoing mail slot.

Police were notified (no result that I'm aware of).

I spoke with our mail carrier, who said that the master lock is the responsibility of USPS but the rest of the box is the responsibility of the HOA. Since the master lock had been damaged, USPS sent their handyman out to replace the master locks. However, they strongly recommended that we upgrade to newer boxes because the newer ones don't have the same vulnerabilities as the old ones.

Then we filed an insurance claim and we received the entire replacement cost of both boxes, minus the deductible.

We replaced both boxes with the product that the vendor recommended by USPS suggested. We haven't had any problems since.

In our neighborhood, many homes have security systems/cameras, so several of our mailboxes are under surveillance by homeowners. This is very cost effective for the HOA (free). Having the surveillance may deter vandalism (especially if it is obvious or declared), but in my experience it does nothing to help catch the criminals because the police don't want to look at the footage.

I don't know whether Neighborhood Watch signs are an effective deterrent. We have those at all the entrances to our community, but we don't have an official Neighborhood Watch.

I think the biggest thing we have going for us is a very active community, often around the clock. We are a very diverse place, so we have older folks that sit on their porches all day, we have young people getting home really late, we have people walking their dogs really late or early, etc.--and everyone looks out for each other.

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