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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Background - our community has always (for 22 years) offered cable tv and security system monitoring. Each home was built with a security system and monitoring is included in our monthly fees, as is cable tv. Four years ago, our cable tv contract (with company "C" associated with NBC) was renegotiated and added internet service. This contract is up for renewal next year so we did a survey of residents to see whether or not they were happy with status quo or if we needed to think about future technology and move to something else. One of the big fiber companies came in and gave us a great presentation and is a real alternative. Our security monitoring is NOT through the cable tv company.

The results of our survey are fascinating. We have already had over 50% of our owners respond (we asked for addresses, so no duplicates). One of the things we asked was if they used the security service from company "D", the one that has always had the contract. The result was that 2/3 of the responses show they don't use the security system. Each owner is paying about $7 per month in their monthly fees for that monitoring plus, if you don't have a landline (73% of owners don't have a landline) then you pay an additional $10 per month to be able to use cell service to transmit to the central station.

We are considering discontinuing the security service monitoring. I will be checking with our attorney, but wanted other opinions also to see if the board can do this without having go through the formal process of amending our documents. Our documents say this about communication systems:

1.13 “Communications Services” means those services described in Section 202.11, Florida Statutes (2020), and for the purpose of this Master Declaration, shall be deemed to include, but not be limited to, bulk video, voice, internet, security, and monitoring services.

It's interesting, because we have never offered voice services as part of the monthly fees.

It says this under "Common Expenses": ...The expenses of Communications Services (including, but not limited to, video and internet) and alarm monitoring services are specifically considered a Common Expense, if obtained by the Master Association on behalf of the Parcels in the Community on a bulk basis...

And then it says this (along with a big disclaimer paragraph on association liability and security systems):

18.4 Notices and Disclaimers as to Community Systems. The Master Association, any Condominium Association, or their successors, assigns or franchisees and any applicable cable telecommunications system operator (an “Operator”), may, but is not obligated to, enter into contracts for the provision of security services through any Community Systems.

Our documents allow the board to make changes to the rules and regulations, the bylaws and the ARC rules with just a board vote. Any thoughts on whether changing one of the communication systems can be done by the board alone?

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By LoriM15 on 06/16/2023 1:06 PM
18.4 Notices and Disclaimers as to Community Systems. The Master Association, any Condominium Association, or their successors, assigns or franchisees and any applicable cable telecommunications system operator (an “Operator”), may, but is not obligated to, enter into contracts for the provision of security services through any Community Systems.
Do the HOA's governing documents define "Community Systems"?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Here's the definition. But it's a moot point for now anyway - found out the board signed a 5 year agreement in 2020 so we are obligated to keep them until 2025.

1.15 “Community Systems” means any and all cable television, telecommunication, security, alarm, irrigation, irrigation wells, sprinkler or other lines, pipes, conduits, wires, amplifiers, towers, antennae, equipment, materials, installations and fixtures (including those based on, containing or serving future technological advances not now known) installed by the developer of Reflection Lakes or pursuant to any grant of easement or authority by Association within Reflection Lakes and serving more than one (1) Parcel.

I will still figure out if we can get rid of the service all together in 2025.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
First, powers not expressly reserved to the owners are the board's. For example, the Bylaws (most likely) and statute speak about owners having the power to elect directors; call for a Special Meeting; and more.

Second, because of the above, and because of the "if" under Common expenses and the "may" in Section 18.4, the governing documents give the board discretion to contract, or not contract, for Communications Services that use community systems.

Third, where the governing documents give a board discretionary authority, the courts say as long as this discretion is exercised reasonably and fairly, then the board is complying with the governing documents.

Fourth, in conclusion and in my opinion, yes, the board may make this decision on its own. The usual politically-oriented trappings should be added so that owners do not, ya know, revolt. E.g. much notice (like start mentioning this a few times a year); send flyers; invite comment; talk about expenses.

Let's see if anyone thinks otherwise.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your declaration's (right?) 18.4 seems quite clear: your master or sub associations "...is not obligated to, enter into contracts for the provision of security services through any Community Systems." You received a wonderfully high response rate to your survey from Owners, and with 2/3 not even using your current one, why keep it?

So, if there is no other citation in your documents that state that the Association must provide some kind of security, let each owner provide their own for their individual homes if they wish. Yes, with your attorney's advice.

I was surprised to see in the many scattered places in my HOA's declaration and Articles of Incorporation that the security (or "safety") of the common areas of our premises, or of individual condos, or of persons, is completely absent.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
5 year contract? that needs to be renegotiated. If their service goes down hill you are stuck with them for remainder of contract. might want to read contract and see if security can be cancelled right away since most do not use it.

board has power to change stuff as others have already noted. the fact that you dont' offer cell phone service for everyone (voice) should be a good indicator as well.

vis ta vie

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