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RoseM9 (Texas)
Posts: 22
Posted:
Typically, we close violations once they are remedied, and if the rule or deed restriction is violated again in the future, we start a new process. It has worked over the last several years, and we have had good success with enforcement.

My question is, in the absence of specific guidance in governing documents, how do you handle repeat offenders for the same offense?

Say, for example, there is an owner who is violating a rule that states no oversize vehicles may park in the driveway. The owners were notified of an offense, and after escalation, finally removed the vehicle. Now, two months later, a different oversize vehicle has appeared.

If there is no mention that we are to reopen violations if they occur within a certain amount of time, what is the general approach? Start fresh each time?

We are in Texas if that helps.

Thanks for your assistance.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think current policy is forgive and forget. Which may need a bit of twerking. It may need to change to fill me once, fool me twice, the third time we hold the previous fools against you. Do not get rid of the history as it effects the future or current.

Former HOA President
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
I believe in my state you can't reopen the violation. You have to start over again, which means that you have to go through the whole process of letters and official warnings.

If this were to happen in my community, the second time we would probably do warning letter with deadline, official letter with call to be heard at a board meeting and recommendation of fine, to fining committee. And because it was second offense they would definitely be fined. No more being nice, but it would take a couple of months to get there.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Since there's no mention of what to do with repeat violators, you could start anew, otherwise, there's a chance that they'd claim accelerated enforcement is selective enforcement. Then again,, they'd have to explain why they're poking the bear again.

For this notice, I would remind them of tbe previous violation and how it nearly led to legal action by the board. The board wouldn't want a repeat, but that will happen if they don't comply 8mm3diately. Copy the association attorney and offer appeal rights.. if they don't take advantage, turn this over totge attorney and prepare for legal action..

You should also develop a policy for repeat violations. Check your documents to ensure the board has the power to adopt additional rules that don't overstep the CCRs or bylaws. you can debate and adopt tge po,icy in an open board meeting and send copies to homeowners with an effective date, say, 30 days from the date of the notice.

With that policy,, I'd accurate everything. For example if you give 30 dzys to comply, reduce it to 20, maybe less, depending on the violation (you should specify). They will still have appeal rights, but this time, I'd mandate legally binding arbitration. Both sides split the costs, and the lower must reimburse the winner. They refuse, go to court and ask that tge associationbe reimbursedfor its attorney fees and legal costs if it wins.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By RoseM9 on 06/16/2023 6:41 AM
Typically, we close violations once they are remedied, and if the rule or deed restriction is violated again in the future, we start a new process. It has worked over the last several years, and we have had good success with enforcement.

My question is, in the absence of specific guidance in governing documents, how do you handle repeat offenders for the same offense?

Say, for example, there is an owner who is violating a rule that states no oversize vehicles may park in the driveway. The owners were notified of an offense, and after escalation, finally removed the vehicle. Now, two months later, a different oversize vehicle has appeared.

If there is no mention that we are to reopen violations if they occur within a certain amount of time, what is the general approach? Start fresh each time?

We are in Texas if that helps.

Thanks for your assistance.

We consider such a continuation of the original violation. This means higher fines. That said the OP said a different oversize vehicle so be sure it is the same owner.
RoseM9 (Texas)
Posts: 22
Posted:
Wow. Thanks for the quick feedback--very helpful!

I will look into whether the HOA wants to revise one or more of their policies to clearly address reopening violations of the same nature within "x" months, and the attorney the same.

I have other Associations whose policies clearly state what do do about recurring issues after the original is closed. Makes it very clear cut.

Thanks again for all your insight.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our CC&Rs give our HOA the authority to make rules concerning violations and fines. One of our rules which is a fine deterrent is that fines will double with subsequent offenses. So make sure your covenants permit yours to make rules and then make sure you know the proper process to make rules. In some states the board simply approves a motion. In other states, as Shelia suggests, there's more involved.

We also added a policy that if no repetition of the same violation within six months, a future violation would start fresh if it recurred.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RoseM9 on 06/16/2023 6:41 AM
Typically, we close violations once they are remedied, and if the rule or deed restriction is violated again in the future, we start a new process. It has worked over the last several years, and we have had good success with enforcement.

My question is, in the absence of specific guidance in governing documents, how do you handle repeat offenders for the same offense?

Say, for example, there is an owner who is violating a rule that states no oversize vehicles may park in the driveway. The owners were notified of an offense, and after escalation, finally removed the vehicle. Now, two months later, a different oversize vehicle has appeared.

If there is no mention that we are to reopen violations if they occur within a certain amount of time, what is the general approach? Start fresh each time?

We are in Texas if that helps.

Thanks for your assistance.

I’m in Texas. Our PMC handles violations and such. They have a policy where if a violation occurs, is ā€œcuredā€, and then recurs within a 6 month window - it’s considered a continuation of the initial violation.

I’m not an especially big fan of this. It can be (and has been) used to ā€˜pile on’ someone over trivial stuff. Like: someone’s lawn edging earns them a ā€œcourtesy letterā€. They try to step up their game, but several months later they get dinged again for lawn edging. Only this time it’s not a courtesy letter. A person can get trapped in a kind of never-ending hell over this stuff.

And while I’m sure there are situations where this makes sense, frankly our biggest problems stem from people who (for instance) leave a huge gnarly Halloween decoration up in their yard all year long, or *never* cut their grass, or continue to put food out for wild animals (which attracts all manner of feral critters). And despite complaints from their neighbors and a steady stream of fines, they don’t stop.

All that said, I can’t answer your question and can only offer a data point for your consideration.

WRT the situation described: I feel naive asking this, but what advantage would you get by re-opening the previous violation?

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
Hi,

Without details about the time limits for reopening violations, it sounds like you will have to start from scratch again. The board could vote to amend the policy though so that if the same offence is committed within 2 months, the same violation case is escalated instead of restarted. Sorry you are experiencing such trouble with this owner.

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