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TomJ2 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our HOA recently held an election to substantially raise HOA rates to cover the transfer of ownership and operating costs of community facilities from the developer to the HOA. We were initially told this large increase was required for the transfer to take place, but have since learned that the HOA could've assumed ownership with a far more modest fee increase. A number of homeowners would like to change their vote, but under California Civil Code Section 1363.03 they cannot change or even revoke their ballots after submission.

How can individual homeowners either change or revoke their initial vote or simply void the entire election?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You are using the word "election" but I think you mean voting on a motion, right?

Your bylaws or governing documents should have verbiage in them about assessments. They are passed by a vote of the membership.

General parliamentary procedure says that any motion can be recinded or amended. At the next meeting of the same assembly (people) that voted to pass the motion, you can move to amend (change) OR recind (remove) the motion that raised the HOA assessments. You will need a 2/3 vote of the members to do this.

Your state laws may have different requirements. But you CAN change the motion.
TomJ2 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks - yes, it was voting on a motion and the documents do have that verbage. I agree we could have another homeowner vote to overturn the measure they just passed, but that seems like an inordinate amount of work when just getting a homeowner quorum is quite a struggle.

Ultimately, I would like to just void the election since new material fact came out after the initial ballots were cast, but I was warned this might become a legal battle that we really don't want to bother with (or pay for).

Alternatively, it would be nice if homeowners could just change or revoke their votes, but this seems to be expressly prohibited under under California Civil Code Section 1363.03.

But, I agree, we may have to issue another vote and I will raise this issue if it must come to that.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
SusanW1 - You state, "General parliamentary procedure"? Are you referring to Robert's Rules of Order. If so, may I respectfully suggest you refrain from presenting Robert's as if it matters to an association, which it most certainly has no bearing unless the governing documents state so. Even if the gov docs refer to Robert's, changing the motion will be entirely governed by state statute in this case California Civil Code Section 1363.03 TomJ2 states they cannot change or even revoke their ballots after submission. CCCS states "Once a secret ballot is received by the inspector of elections, it shall be irrevocable." Seems to me the only way to change the outcome of the motion is on the grounds that some procedure in the process was not done in accordance with California Civil Code or the gov docs.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
TomJ2:
You are speaking about a vote taken to raise fees to cover costs and now decide after the vote members are not happy with the new fee increase. IF transition from developer control has been completed and your assn. is now under resident control, instead of trying to 'undo' what was done, look ahead and work from that angle.

It is not unusual for the developer to lowball fees to entice buyers. When the turnover takes place it is common for the fees to be raised to cover needed expenses. Hopefully, the developer also presented you with a Capital Reserve Study which shows future repair/maintenance with costs for the
specific years' life cycle.

The Good News is you now have a resident Board who will review all current expenses carefully to determine whether there can be some trim or not. Show all line items on a financial report and then base the assessment fee on expenses vs. income not forgetting a portion for the capital reserve fund.

If the Board is one who has high energy, they can take the opportunity to network with other communities for contractors in the area who will come onsite to offer bids for their work (lawn maintenance, snow removal). Compare these bids with what you have presently ESPECIALLY if you are continuing with the contractors the developer used. It is wise for an Assn. Board to know the contracts and how they can be written, changed and managed for the best possible price.

The Board can determine the needed Assessment Fee and hold a vote to ratify the budget. What was done can be undone by another vote--but only after some carefully researched financial documentation is done to back up the recommended fee. Whether the fee is increased or decreased, residents will be assured of a Board who is looking out for community interests in wanting to
use funds wisely. Keep us posted on your progress!!

PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Tom,

The large fee increase doesn't have to stay in place if the HOA finds out that it all isn't needed to operate the community facilities.

Keep the larger fee in place for the first year that the HOA is running the facilities to see how the financials come out. If after a year of ownership, the HOA determines that the fees are more than needed, then they can reduce the fee in the next year's budget.

As other folks here noted, review all the contracts that the developer had with their contractors; pool, landscaping, whatever, and get some bids from other companies. It could be another way to save more money.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
TomJ2 - I agree with with Paul. Raising dues now may prevent further more frequent increases in the future and gain valuable earned interest if invested properly. There is clearly a potential silver lining to be realized for the future.
TomJ2 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
As a clarification, the issue is not that dues have increased - it is that the increase in unreasonable.

The new plan results in almost $1M surplus savings for an HOA with around a $700k annual operating expenses. After the initial vote was released, we learned that we could have readily voted for a substantially smaller increase that did not result in such a huge, unneeded surplus. The developer had explicitly said this was not an option at the time of the elections, but several HOA members have spoken to the CA department of real estate that says the lower fees would have been approved (in direct conflict with the story the developer told us at the time of the vote).

So, given that we cannot revoke our votes, several HOA board members would like to void the overall vote based on this new information, but we were told this could involve substantial legal costs and delays. Is there an easier way to just establish that the developer misrepresented the original plan in order to win approval so the vote should be void?

I also agree that raising rates above exact operating costs is a good thing and that, perhaps, a $100k surplus might be acceptable. But a $1M surplus is just ridiculous.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
TomJ2 - Just to clarify matters (for me) you have $700K in expenses and how much in annual revenue?

The Board in and of themselves should not void the community vote. The community should try to accomplish this. Naturally it's in no ones best interests to have such a surplus not tied to any need, especially an unjustified $1M. The funds may need to be given back to the community at some point. In my HOA if there is a surplus the community votes at the annual meeting or when the surplus is realized to have the money given back to the owners or re-invested into the association. I'm pretty sure there are accounting and IRS principles/practices that prevent this from happening consecutively however.

Now - here's where I believe you and everyone else in your association have to be extremely careful in your reasoning regarding the necessity of the surplus. In essence don't put the cart before the horse. Meaning, has an independent professional transition engineering firm provided a capital reserve analysis and deficiency report on the developer's construction of the community? If not, IMHO you have no basis to state that $1M is excessive, or a surplus. That surplus may actually be necessary to keep on hand until the association Board/attorney/engineer can negotiate a settlement with the developer. If the above reports have not been performed you won't know and have independent proof how much the developer low-balled the original budgets, and you won't know the deficiencies in the construction of all the elements the association is responsible to maintain. Until you see the above reports, you've no idea how vast the differences are between reality and developer projected figures.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
TomJ2: I am not clear on the role the developer has played in the increase of association fees for 'transition' to residents.

Perhaps in California the developer's role at turnover is vastly different from other states. I don't know. But, normally, at turnover from developer to residents, it is the Board and/or Mgmt. company who reviews all the financial reports which have been turned over and from those figures, it is determined whether the 'old' assessment fee needs revising. In your assn, I am confused as to how the developer can dictate anything, especially fees, to
you/and assn. residents if he is no longer in control.

You state you learned AFTER the vote you could have gone with a smaller increase. Based on what or whom? Pls. clarify so we can assist you.

BillS11 (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Tom

Your situation is common amoung new developments when they are turned over to the Residents. The final closeout costs are normally larger than anticipated and are usually picked up by special assesments to homeowners after a vote like yours.

Sounds like the Board added a little padding to the estimate to assure a smooth closure. Now that you have gotten rid of the developer your HOA can start developing its own budget and the monthly dues may be re evealuated and may just be lower. If that the case then your Board should place the difference into their reserve account each month so as to assure that you ahve future funding.

California law also limits annual dues increases to 5% per year without a vote of the association membership. However they can be increased by as much as 20% to pay for special items that occur on an emergency basis.

Check the Sterling Davis Act and the Corporations Codes for the particulars. Also special assesments can only be a one time item and can not be carried over. Special assements would be for items such as new roads,new common area improvements etc. Simply review the budget and make sure the board is within their budget each year. Our HOA dues are %86.00 per month and we have 52 homes. Our budget is around %52,000.00 per year and our reserves are at about $150,000.00.

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