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NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Good morning everyone.
I am involved in a HOA in Texas and a couple of quick questions, if it does not state in our communities governing documents, is there Texas Legislature that prevents a board member from running and holding office for more than two terms?

Our terms are two years.

Further, can that same director that has just been elected for their third consecutive term hold the same office for all three terms?
For example, can someone be president on the board of directors if it is not stated otherwise in their dedicatory instrument regarding maximum terms and max time in the specific office. I.e. VP, President etc

Thank you very much for any help you may be able to provide.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
From what I am seeing, none of the statutes for Texas HOAs (TPC 209), condominiums (PR 81 and PR 82) and nonprofit corporations (BO 22) have term limits for directors or officers.

From my reading over the years, term limits are rare. When they exist, I think I have seen them only in the Bylaws. I believe the reason term limits are rare is because legislatures and Declarants recognize the difficulty of getting volunteers willing to give up many hours each year to serve on a board. Why create another impediment to getting people to serve on the board or as officers?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You could have googled this, although not everything in HOA land is addressed in the documents or state law. In your case, I googled and found that in Texes the first board serves until the first annual election and then all subsequent board members will serve until the next annual election. Put another way, the board that was set up around the time the developer turned the community over to the homeowners will stay on until that first annual election. Everyone after that serves until the next annual election, so if they're re-elected, they continue to serve.

(there are a lot of Texas people on this website, so if I missed something or got it wrong, have at it).

As for board officers, read your documents (again) to see what it says about board officers. Usually, the homeowners elect the board members, who then elect the officers from among themselves. That could mean everyone who was an officer and got re-elected might keep the position or it may change. In some communities, board officers don't have to be board members, such as the secretary. They attend meetings and do the job the position requires, but don't vote on association actions.

In my own twisted opinion, term limits sound like a good idea, but the problem comes when you don't have ANYONE willing to serve. Unfortunately, this is a huge problem in many HOA communities, so the current board stays on and on...and on until they get burned out and quit, get voted out, or are recalled. There can be good reasons to sack the old regime, but depending on how well-run your community is (whatever that means to you), it can take at least a year for people to figure out what's going on in the community. It helps if they've been reading board minutes, attending meetings, reviewing income-expense statements, or serving as a volunteer, such as serving on an advisory committee.

Even better if the board has some sort of policy and procedure manual they can read, along with attending seminars (in-person or online) about best practices for HOA boards - this isn't your garden variety block club, but a legal non-profit organization, and there are major implications if people don't ask questions, apply careful thought to the issues and read their documents to get a clue as to how the community is supposed to be run. That's why I find a good board has a mix of old and new board members - the experienced ones guide the newbies, who can bring more energy and fresh ideas.

So you already have a way to limit the terms of board members - you and your neighbors can vote people out and step up to run for a spot yourselves. Term limits may or may not work in your community, so if that's what you want, you need to consider how to recruit new people regularly, transition newly elected members into the spo and finally, continue to keep an eye on what they do - something you should have been doing all along.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Nathan,
Sheila just about said it all. Term limits are usually not written into DADs or CC&Rs. Developers really only care about selling homes and getting things started.

If you want term limits in your HOA the only way to achieve this is by having New Blood run for the board and over time new leaders will appear. I am currently the board president of my large HOA and have been for 5 years now. I served for 8 years on another board in Ca. the last 4 as president. My current board decided based on my years of experience in Ca. to nominate me for the same position here. I personally like my role and enjoy the job as president. I always actively look for potential candidates for our board and would like to step away from board life soon. The problem is without viable candidates running for office willing to give of their time the system does not work. As someone who really cares about our HOA and wants to make sure it is run properly long after I am off the board it is important to have qualified candidates running for the positions.

What we do not know about your HOA is the following.

How large is your HOA?
How old is your HOA?
Do you have more candidates running for board seats than open positions?
What makes your existing president bad?
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Thank you very much for your reply!
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Our association was formed in 1979 as laid out in our articles of incorporation.
I wish I could reply to everyone but I will try my best here in one reply.
Last night during our annual meeting me and two others were up for re election with no other candidates self nominating or otherwise, it was opened and shut a very smooth meeting.

Of course all three of us were reelected as directors then after we went into executive session and called for emotions on whom would fill each office, the community manager made a remark that you can only hold a certain office for so long, the consensus of the five of us were that we just leave things as they are.
I currently sit as president of my association in a community with 522 lots.

I have been on the board of directors since 2015 when someone asked me to fill in for someone who left, I thought I was doing them a favor but fast forward almost eight years and here I am LOL
Like state of the above I also thoroughly enjoy for the most part my role and being a volunteer for our old but very well kept up community.
I am very aware regarding the verbiage that is in our declaration of covenant's conditions and restrictions and the bylaws, of course these can be different from community to community, I have Googled of course and searched this website as well, I did not want to be redundant and waste everyone's time by asking a question that might come up a lot here so my apologies in advance!
I was searching the Texas Legislature website regarding POA 's and the original question that I asked here with no results but what was already stated above.
Thank you very much everyone for your replies and I'm keeping my eyes peeled here for further information if any is added, please have an excellent afternoon.

Kind regards
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
I apologize for my grammar, I am using voice to text from my phone while I am driving. I did not mean to say emotions but motion. If there was a way to edit my reply I would have done so instead. Again, thank you very much.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Nathan,
Thanks for the additional information. I think the only person who needs to be termed out is your PM. He or She is making stuff up. I would have asked them to show the board exactly where we can find the claim they made. Once that failed, I would ask a follow-up. Why would you make that claim in the first place?

I have found that some managers want to run the HOA as if it is their place. You need to remind them that they work for the board at the pleasure of the board. Personally, I would speak to the owner of the company they work for and see if you have other options of PMs in that company. It is a pain changing PMCs so unless you have had other problems with the company, I would not recommend changing anything other than the person who has given the board misinformation. Boards count on the managers to help guide them with running the HOA. If they are giving bad information, they can lead you in bad directions.

Sounds a little personal to me.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 05/09/2023 9:54 AM
Nathan,
Thanks for the additional information. I think the only person who needs to be termed out is your PM. He or She is making stuff up. I would have asked them to show the board exactly where we can find the claim they made. Once that failed, I would ask a follow-up. Why would you make that claim in the first place?

I have found that some managers want to run the HOA as if it is their place. You need to remind them that they work for the board at the pleasure of the board. Personally, I would speak to the owner of the company they work for and see if you have other options of PMs in that company. It is a pain changing PMCs so unless you have had other problems with the company, I would not recommend changing anything other than the person who has given the board misinformation. Boards count on the managers to help guide them with running the HOA. If they are giving bad information, they can lead you in bad directions.

Sounds a little personal to me.

I agree.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 05/09/2023 9:54 AM
I would have asked [the manager] to show the board exactly where we can find the claim they made. Once that failed, I would ask a follow-up. Why would you make that claim in the first place?
I agree.

I further advise asking the questions with a large, pleasant, upbeat grin on one's face. Managers are not cheap. This is an educational opportunity. Let's 'get the measure' of this manager and see how hard he/she digs in (if he/she digs in).
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Nathan,
The other thing I noticed in your original post was that the nominating of officers for the new board was done in executive session. This is actually something that should have been done in an open meeting. Typically, the annual meeting should be adjourned and then a new regular meeting with the only thing on the agenda is "Nomination of Officers." It is not an Executive session item.
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Thank you to everyone so far who has taken the time out of their busy day to reply to my query.
I have been on the board of directors for 8 years now, we are self managed believe it or not, our community manager is also a Class A member of the association.
It has once been rumored that she has gone out to get proxies in preparation for an annual meeting to purposely remove one of the board of directors that was serving at the time that she did not get along with, they both happened to have type a personalities.
I have had two on several occasions in private deflate her ego because she is definitely guilty of trying to run the neighborhood, there is so much more I could say, we are in a very advantageous situation fiscally because we have two Class A members working for the association as contractors one is the administrative assistant and the other is the community manager which we will call the PM to make things simple for property management company or management company or MC however you want to say it.
She has the best interest of the neighborhood at heart I believe this with everything that I have and I know her well, but with this I am starting to question her intentions.
I have already amended their new contracts that states that since they are working for the same association that they are a member of it is a conflict of interest to gather proxies or in other words put the people on the board that you really want to work for etc I worded it in a way that gives them their legal right to have their one vote as a Class A member, if they want to help gather proxies to make a quorum for an annual meeting then they will be assigned to the secretary of the association.
I will check on this thread when I get back home so I can stop annoying you guys with my voice to text, I really appreciate the support, I had a rough time going to sleep last night when usually I would feel very great about a good meeting.

Again, thank you for taking the time to add to this thread.

NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 05/09/2023 10:42 AM
Nathan,
The other thing I noticed in your original post was that the nominating of officers for the new board was done in executive session. This is actually something that should have been done in an open meeting. Typically, the annual meeting should be adjourned and then a new regular meeting with the only thing on the agenda is "Nomination of Officers." It is not an Executive session item.

Yes Sir of course let me clarify, we have a nomination committee that starts up as soon as the postcards are mailed out which is 6 weeks or 45 days prior to the date of the meeting, no one threw their hat in during the open meeting the annual meeting last night, of course after the directors nominated the directors that were up for re election I then went to the membership and asked if there are any one out there whom would like to self nominate and add to the list which was a dry erase board that everyone can see no one wished to do so. The only item of business on the agenda for the annual meeting is the election of the officers because you can't really do any business because we don't know who would be on the board so we kindly ask everyone to come to our next regular monthly meeting, which no one comes to unless they want to complain but then they realize we are not the rumored bad group of Nazi power hungry people LOL we are all about the solution not hiding behind letters and emails and Whatnot.
To continue my reply, immediately after the annual meeting is adjourned the elected members and the existing board members immediately go into executive session where the meeting is open and the order of business is to assign directors to offices.
I hope I am making sense LOL!
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Mark it's too bad I could not get your phone number it would be really nice to have someone that does not have an interest in our neighborhood that I can bounce things off of other than my colleagues on the board of course. I really appreciate the time you have taken so far, I am sure you serve your community well!
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Nathan,
I agree I wish this site had a private message option as well. I love to hear and help others who have been through the wars of HOA board life. If you have a email you do not mind sharing, I can give you my info separate from this site. I have several presidents of other Texas HOAs that reach out to me from time to time.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
I will add this to the general conversation about term limits:

Term limits only work when there are enough individuals interested in doing the job.
In many Associations individuals do not want to volunteer to serve. Because of this, those who want to serve continue to serve.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe in term limits for those I do not like.
I do not believe in term limits for those I like.
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
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Posted By MarkM19 on 05/09/2023 11:29 AM
Nathan,
I agree I wish this site had a private message option as well. I love to hear and help others who have been through the wars of HOA board life. If you have a email you do not mind sharing, I can give you my info separate from this site. I have several presidents of other Texas HOAs that reach out to me from time to time.

THANK YOU!! use this... it is my spam email lol but I have it forward email to my personal.

[email protected]

dont laugh at the email... I made that email before Microsoft owned Hotmail ( hence.. a early twenty-something-ish at the time )

I will keep my eyes peeled!!
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/09/2023 12:46 PM
I believe in term limits for those I do not like.
I do not believe in term limits for those I like.

Or.. NIMBY.. an acronym for Not In My Back Yard!! lol
NathanL1 (Texas)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 05/09/2023 12:24 PM
I will add this to the general conversation about term limits:

Term limits only work when there are enough individuals interested in doing the job.
In many Associations individuals do not want to volunteer to serve. Because of this, those who want to serve continue to serve.


Thanks Tim... I can honestly say that it is the latter!!!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By NathanL1 on 05/09/2023 11:17 AM
I have already amended their new contracts that states that since they are working for the same association that they are a member of it is a conflict of interest to gather proxies or in other words put the people on the board that you really want to work for etc I worded it in a way that gives them their legal right to have their one vote as a Class A member, if they want to help gather proxies to make a quorum for an annual meeting then they will be assigned to the secretary of the association.
The board had them sign a contract that (the board believes) voids certain rights these two contractors have as members under the covenants?

I think you should have sought an amendment to the bylaws instead.

(Texas statutes do not appear to provide guidance on conflicts of interest.)
SusanW15 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I'm in Texas We have 5 board members. Each are two-year terms. Two members are elected on odd years, three are elected on even years. This is stated in our bylaws. Members are elected to the "general" board and board members then assign positions in the first board meeting. We can't give these positions away. Every year we have to beg residents to serve on the board.

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