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NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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I obtained a bid from a security company for security cameras at our HOA's entrance and exit lane. There would be 2 poles (one for each lane) with 2 cameras mounted on each pole. It would also include remote access. I will not mention the amount of the bid, but suffice to say it was very expensive.

There are some owners in my community with security cameras mounted on their roof and other parts of the exteriors of their units and they look like cameras you can purchase at a big box store.

Is installing a security camera outdoors something a tech person could do, or does one really need a security company to do this work?

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the Board? Did it authorize you to seek bids? Did you write the RFPs? Or, did the board?

Someone more techie than I might help on the installation aspects.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/29/2023 6:46 PM
Are you on the Board? Did it authorize you to seek bids? Did you write the RFPs? Or, did the board?

Someone more techie than I might help on the installation aspects.

Yes I am on the Board and we are not so formal as to seek RFPs. We had a specialty security company that deals with planned communities and condos give us a bid.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You really should shop this to a company that specializes in surveillance camera installations.
You can get a package deal that will include "insurance" wear and tear, weather etc.
Buying home surveillance systems and using them for HOA purposes are just not suitable.

How many points of entry does your community have? Don't get suckered into getting
an internet connection at each POE all you need is one internet connection and an network
bridge to broadcast the wifi signal between your POE's

A commercial system will include PPR's license plate readers though not 100% effective
if the cars license plate bulb is burned out.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What LetA said.

This "we aren't so formal that we request RFPs" is a little worrisome. At the very least, the board should require them for certain projects that will exceed a certain amount or require money from reserves.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LetA on 04/29/2023 7:24 PM
You really should shop this to a company that specializes in surveillance camera installations.
You can get a package deal that will include "insurance" wear and tear, weather etc.
Buying home surveillance systems and using them for HOA purposes are just not suitable.

How many points of entry does your community have? Don't get suckered into getting
an internet connection at each POE all you need is one internet connection and an network
bridge to broadcast the wifi signal between your POE's

A commercial system will include PPR's license plate readers though not 100% effective
if the cars license plate bulb is burned out.

We only have one point of entry, with one lane in each direction. The company that came out and gave us a bid mentioned there would need to be two cameras on each pole, because one camera on top would not be able to capture a license plate number. There would also need to be a low height camera to capture a license plate.

Why are home surveillance systems from big box stores not suitable for an entry/exit lane?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
I think we got charged $800 to install a 4x4 wooden post with a camera on top and a piece of conduit protecting the wire going to the electrical outlet. Probably took 2 hrs, cost of materials was probably $30, not having to do it yourself priceless or in this case $770.

Could you use a home security camera? Sure you can. Will it be as good quality as the commercial ones? probably not
Could you program a mini computer like a raspi as a license plate reader, watch some youtube videos and put together the same package for around $500 per station material costs or $1000 total, sure you can, how valuable is your time?

you could also just buy the cameras, pole and pay someone to mount them and calibrate the exposure, zoom, angle etc. the LPR cameras are $1200 to $2500 each. I'm sure most security companies easily have a 3 to 4x markup.

vis ta vie
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 974
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Quote:
Posted By NpB on 04/29/2023 6:40 PM
I obtained a bid from a security company for security cameras at our HOA's entrance and exit lane. There would be 2 poles (one for each lane) with 2 cameras mounted on each pole. It would also include remote access. I will not mention the amount of the bid, but suffice to say it was very expensive.

There are some owners in my community with security cameras mounted on their roof and other parts of the exteriors of their units and they look like cameras you can purchase at a big box store.

Is installing a security camera outdoors something a tech person could do, or does one really need a security company to do this work?


You should definitely shop around. And, to be blunt, when I say "you", I mean "someone who is not you, that knows a thing or two about technology".

My neighborhood leases a video setup with 16 cameras around the pool area; I just checked, we're paying about $60/month. That includes password-protected internet access to the cameras and a comfortable amount of video storage (2-3 weeks, it varies depending on how much activity was actually recorded). We probably payed something for installation (before my time), but it's all set up on an existing structure (the pool house) that has electricity and telephone/network access.

The cameras and electronics are probably the cheapest part of such a system. Setting up pole-mounts, getting electricity and Internet to them, having it all 'hardened' and secure enough to handle bad weather, temperature extremes, vandals, and just general environmental wear and tear - that stuff's expensive{1}. There's also going to be a server somewhere, and it costs money to buy it, keep it running, make sure it's backed up properly. And I have no doubt that many companies who do this kind of work know that they're dealing with unsophisticated customers and will charge accordingly. Again: 'you' really need to shop around.

Could a "tech person" do this? Like, can you find a neighbor who is intelligent enough to know how to do it, but dumb and inexperienced enough to offer to do it for free?

Finally: I question the utility of this setup. I gather you want to record the license plates of all cars that enter and exit the neighborhood? Do you really have a big crime problem? How much money is actually lost each year due to theft and burglary? (I'm assuming you don't have a problem with violent crime because in that case you'd be asking about security guards and such).

How's it going to work, in practice? Someone notices that their catalytic converter is gone; how do they report it? How do the police get involved? Who has access to the video? Given that you can get the police to care about it, how does the video get to them?

And is the neighborhood all on-board with this? In theory anyone could sit near the entrance and watch cars come and go and write down license plates. In practice, you'll almost certainly find that some people aren't entirely comfortable with the concept ("Hey Bob, I notice your wife leaves the neighborhood every weekday at about noon and comes back just before you get home from work ...").

Bill

(Computers been beddy beddy good to me)

{1} I once knew a guy who had a Porsche. One day he's all glum - he needs a new headlight, and it costs $5000. It seems that no-one makes cheap Porsche parts and sells them at Walmart for Walmart prices. An HOA is kind of like a big ugly expensive Porsche that doesn't move.

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BillD16 on 04/30/2023 11:30 AM
Posted By NpB on 04/29/2023 6:40 PM
I obtained a bid from a security company for security cameras at our HOA's entrance and exit lane. There would be 2 poles (one for each lane) with 2 cameras mounted on each pole. It would also include remote access. I will not mention the amount of the bid, but suffice to say it was very expensive.

There are some owners in my community with security cameras mounted on their roof and other parts of the exteriors of their units and they look like cameras you can purchase at a big box store.

Is installing a security camera outdoors something a tech person could do, or does one really need a security company to do this work?



You should definitely shop around. And, to be blunt, when I say "you", I mean "someone who is not you, that knows a thing or two about technology".

My neighborhood leases a video setup with 16 cameras around the pool area; I just checked, we're paying about $60/month. That includes password-protected internet access to the cameras and a comfortable amount of video storage (2-3 weeks, it varies depending on how much activity was actually recorded). We probably payed something for installation (before my time), but it's all set up on an existing structure (the pool house) that has electricity and telephone/network access.

The cameras and electronics are probably the cheapest part of such a system. Setting up pole-mounts, getting electricity and Internet to them, having it all 'hardened' and secure enough to handle bad weather, temperature extremes, vandals, and just general environmental wear and tear - that stuff's expensive{1}. There's also going to be a server somewhere, and it costs money to buy it, keep it running, make sure it's backed up properly. And I have no doubt that many companies who do this kind of work know that they're dealing with unsophisticated customers and will charge accordingly. Again: 'you' really need to shop around.

Could a "tech person" do this? Like, can you find a neighbor who is intelligent enough to know how to do it, but dumb and inexperienced enough to offer to do it for free?

Finally: I question the utility of this setup. I gather you want to record the license plates of all cars that enter and exit the neighborhood? Do you really have a big crime problem? How much money is actually lost each year due to theft and burglary? (I'm assuming you don't have a problem with violent crime because in that case you'd be asking about security guards and such).

How's it going to work, in practice? Someone notices that their catalytic converter is gone; how do they report it? How do the police get involved? Who has access to the video? Given that you can get the police to care about it, how does the video get to them?

And is the neighborhood all on-board with this? In theory anyone could sit near the entrance and watch cars come and go and write down license plates. In practice, you'll almost certainly find that some people aren't entirely comfortable with the concept ("Hey Bob, I notice your wife leaves the neighborhood every weekday at about noon and comes back just before you get home from work ...").

Bill

(Computers been beddy beddy good to me)

{1} I once knew a guy who had a Porsche. One day he's all glum - he needs a new headlight, and it costs $5000. It seems that no-one makes cheap Porsche parts and sells them at Walmart for Walmart prices. An HOA is kind of like a big ugly expensive Porsche that doesn't move.

By tech person, I am referring to someone with a bachelor's or associates degree in computer engineering or for someone with no college degree, who has years of experience with different computer/networking industry certifications.

Rather than crime, we have more of an issue with people crashing into gates and then fleeing or later blaming the gate for damaging their car when it was really bad driving on their part.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Depending what is already at the entrance, you may need permits (electric, etc.).

Could a competent person with the right experience do this yes.

I have a lot of experience in broadcasting, computers and electricity and am confident I could do this work (I installed the cameras around my home). However, this is not something I would be willing to do for the Association. Instead, I would urge the board to seek outside bids, but would offer to oversee the project.

I would also urge the board on adopting a resolution for how the footage will be reviewed, who will have access, when members may see it, etc.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 974
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpB on 04/30/2023 1:54 PM
Posted By BillD16 on 04/30/2023 11:30 AM
Posted By NpB on 04/29/2023 6:40 PM
I obtained a bid from a security company for security cameras at our HOA's entrance and exit lane. There would be 2 poles (one for each lane) with 2 cameras mounted on each pole. It would also include remote access. I will not mention the amount of the bid, but suffice to say it was very expensive.

There are some owners in my community with security cameras mounted on their roof and other parts of the exteriors of their units and they look like cameras you can purchase at a big box store.

Is installing a security camera outdoors something a tech person could do, or does one really need a security company to do this work?



You should definitely shop around. And, to be blunt, when I say "you", I mean "someone who is not you, that knows a thing or two about technology".

My neighborhood leases a video setup with 16 cameras around the pool area; I just checked, we're paying about $60/month. That includes password-protected internet access to the cameras and a comfortable amount of video storage (2-3 weeks, it varies depending on how much activity was actually recorded). We probably payed something for installation (before my time), but it's all set up on an existing structure (the pool house) that has electricity and telephone/network access.

The cameras and electronics are probably the cheapest part of such a system. Setting up pole-mounts, getting electricity and Internet to them, having it all 'hardened' and secure enough to handle bad weather, temperature extremes, vandals, and just general environmental wear and tear - that stuff's expensive{1}. There's also going to be a server somewhere, and it costs money to buy it, keep it running, make sure it's backed up properly. And I have no doubt that many companies who do this kind of work know that they're dealing with unsophisticated customers and will charge accordingly. Again: 'you' really need to shop around.

Could a "tech person" do this? Like, can you find a neighbor who is intelligent enough to know how to do it, but dumb and inexperienced enough to offer to do it for free?

Finally: I question the utility of this setup. I gather you want to record the license plates of all cars that enter and exit the neighborhood? Do you really have a big crime problem? How much money is actually lost each year due to theft and burglary? (I'm assuming you don't have a problem with violent crime because in that case you'd be asking about security guards and such).

How's it going to work, in practice? Someone notices that their catalytic converter is gone; how do they report it? How do the police get involved? Who has access to the video? Given that you can get the police to care about it, how does the video get to them?

And is the neighborhood all on-board with this? In theory anyone could sit near the entrance and watch cars come and go and write down license plates. In practice, you'll almost certainly find that some people aren't entirely comfortable with the concept ("Hey Bob, I notice your wife leaves the neighborhood every weekday at about noon and comes back just before you get home from work ...").

Bill

(Computers been beddy beddy good to me)

{1} I once knew a guy who had a Porsche. One day he's all glum - he needs a new headlight, and it costs $5000. It seems that no-one makes cheap Porsche parts and sells them at Walmart for Walmart prices. An HOA is kind of like a big ugly expensive Porsche that doesn't move.


By tech person, I am referring to someone with a bachelor's or associates degree in computer engineering or for someone with no college degree, who has years of experience with different computer/networking industry certifications.

Rather than crime, we have more of an issue with people crashing into gates and then fleeing or later blaming the gate for damaging their car when it was really bad driving on their part.

Okay, so how often does this happen? 10 times last year? How much money have y’all lost to this? Actual numbers.

And: what’s your workflow for using this installation? Like: how do drivers typically notify you that they blame your gate for damaging their car? What’s your process there? Do you have video records that go back that far? Who is charged with searching the video and compiling evidence? Is someone volunteering to review the video daily or weekly to identify ‘flee-ers’?

I know I come off as an asshole, but my intentions are good: you really need to do some kind of preliminary cost-benefit analysis, construct a rudimentary operations plan, and plan a budget before you put significant money into this. If you don’t, you’re just throwing money at a tech gadget and hoping it will all work out.

And: while you don’t want to overpay, you also don’t want to leave this stuff to a volunteer. You *want* long-term, day-to-day operation to be someone’s *job*.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have camera systems at all in/out gates (we have six entrances). There are license plate cameras, front cameras, side cameras so you can see the drivers. They are used for security and also to catch all the people that hit the gates. It happens at least once a week. We upgraded our camera system with new cameras and a much more user-friendly software for about $60k. Yes, it was expensive, but we did not get any complaints about the cost from the homeowners.

I'm a big believer in hiring a professional for these types of jobs. Yes, an informed volunteer could probably spec it out and install, but a professional is going to give you information on the right camera, the best software and the best way to install. Plus they are going to give you a warranty and provide maintenance and repair. Security systems are not a DIY project. Our old system had cameras that barely worked at night, plus the software was almost impossible to use to find a particular event. There is a huge difference in systems out there.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
NpB Honestly, Home surveillance is designed for the home, not for commercial purposes even though I see them used in mom n pop
business. These take a lot of wear and tear. One of the LPR cameras at one of the properties I am at has the LPR camera mounted inside
what looks like a brick mail box enclosure thats surrounded by landscaping.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
What is your policy for members of the Board to review the tape of these cameras and will the police have access to them if they ask?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Only our property manager and admin have access to the recordings (the cameras play live on tv screens in their offices) on a regular basis, although the board could review if they wanted. We do give the police access to our recordings if necessary. I did look at the security footage recently to identify someone who was a suspect in vandalizing our clubhouse and the police were given that footage.
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
There is an excellent forum for IP Cams some of you may want to check out. The newer cams with AI capability and auto tracking can do some really neat stuff.

ipcamtalk.com

Here is an example of a tracking cam a forum member installed at the entrance to their small community

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOSvAuJOph8
MikeB23 (Louisiana)
Posts: 109
Posted:
We live in a 150 unit community with an HOA. Like you we have only one gate. Several years ago the HOA had cameras installed. The information collected is available only to the security company and law enforcement personnel.

We recently had a domestic employee who was followed into the development and their car was hijacked. The security company and the police were the only ones who were allowed to view the security footage.

My advice is if it is only for damaged gates, forget about it. If it is for security then have it done by professionals.
MikeB23 (Louisiana)
Posts: 109
Posted:
We live in a 150 unit community with an HOA. Like you we have only one gate. Several years ago the HOA had cameras installed. The information collected is available only to the security company and law enforcement personnel.

We recently had a domestic employee who was followed into the development and their car was hijacked. The security company and the police were the only ones who were allowed to view the security footage.

My advice is if it is only for damaged gates, forget about it. If it is for security then have it done by professionals.

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