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JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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This is very encouraging. I'm going to direct some of my energies to contacting the bill's sponsors and seeing what I can do to help get it passed.

House Bill 311: Community Association Oversight Division

HB 311 was filed on March 8, 2023, by primary sponsors Rep. Frank Iler (R-Brunswick). Other sponsors include Rep. John Autry (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Carla Cunningham (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Wesley Harris (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Pricey Harrison (D-Guilford), and Rep. Frances Jackson (D-Cumberland).

The bill would create a “Community Association Oversight Division” within the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office. This new Division would be “available to assist a homeowner in a community governed by a community association to

determine whether the community association is acting in accordance with all applicable laws set forth in Chapters 47C [NC Planned Community Act], 47F [NC Condominium Act], and 55A [NC Nonprofit Act] of the General Statutes and
remedy any violations the Division determines to have been made by the community association by taking all steps the Division deems necessary, including commencing legal proceedings against the community association.”

The full bill can be found at https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookUp/2023/H311.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You might want to start by seeing if and when the bill gets a hearing in the appropriate committee and try to attend, and perhaps testify. Read the portions of the state law this division would have jurisdiction over - for example, if there are rules regarding access to association records, you could testify on some if the issues you've had in getting board meeting minutes, income-expense reports, etc.

You might also give your local representative a heads up on the bill and encouraging him or her to support it should it come to the full house for a vote. If you're successful, do the same thing when the bill is transferred to the senate

Also check if the state legislative website had some some sort of alert system you can sign up for - everytime something happens with that bill, you'll get an email or text message and then you can go to the website for more information. Finally, keep an eye on the changes to the bill - some may be minor, others major, so if someone proposes a change that could dilute the bill`s effectiveness, you need to speak up.

PS - I can't remember if you're on the board- if so, you need to run this past your colleagues to see if they're OK with it. Otherwise, you'll need to make it clear to everyone you're speaking for yourself, not the association or the board. Our documents specifically prohibit political activity supporting one party or the other, which is why we've joined neighborhood organizations that can advocate for the entire area with the city or county. Unfortunately, there isn't a statewide organization- I know CAI does this in some states, but the last time I was on the board, our local chapter didn't gave the money to hire a full-time lobbyist

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SheliaH on 04/29/2023 6:52 AM
You might want to start by seeing if and when the bill gets a hearing in the appropriate committee and try to attend, and perhaps testify. Read the portions of the state law this division would have jurisdiction over - for example, if there are rules regarding access to association records, you could testify on some if the issues you've had in getting board meeting minutes, income-expense reports, etc.
I agree. I think JeanneH3 and her spouse would be particularly effective (articulate, well-argued and succinct) in laying out the need for trying an ombudsman office like that proposed, supporting their position with an overview of their personal experience.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By SheliaH on 04/29/2023 6:52 AM
I know CAI does this in some states, but the last time I was on the board, our local chapter didn't gave the money to hire a full-time lobbyist

CAI lobbies AGAINST any ombudsman bills.They are pro management power, not pro Homeowner power.

vis ta vie
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By WendyM5 on 04/29/2023 9:07 AM
CAI lobbies AGAINST any ombudsman bills.They are pro management power, not pro Homeowner power.
Verified. CAI's 2023 position appears here:

https://advocacy.caionline.org/ombudsmantrend2023/

https://www.caionline.org/Advocacy/Priorities/Ombudsman/Documents/Ombudsman_Report_2022DataMarchUpdate.pdf

Excerpt:

Disputes between a homeowner and an elected community association board are private. State agencies
typically do not have authority to intervene in private disputes. Many ombudsman offices can offer little
recourse to parties complaining about their community association and merely become the repository of
complaints from disgruntled homeowners who disagree with their communities’ established rules,
procedures, neighbors, or boards.

Most often, ombudsman offices serve to create a process for homeowners to file complaints against the
elected board but do not provide the board the ability to file a complaint against a homeowner. Often,
many association complaints are brought by uncooperative homeowners who choose to ignore
community rules and policies. Their actions have a negative impact on the community.

Elected boards should have the ability to use an ombudsman program to enforce community rules. Data
gathered by such programs are unfairly biased against community associations as they are empowered to
represent only one side in any dispute.

Establishing a state ombudsman office also adds complexity to community dispute resolution.
Homeowners associations are democratically elected governing bodies. The adoption of a state
ombudsman program limits local governing bodies and typically adds expense to the process. CAI believes
the focus should be on empowering individuals to solve problems within communities. Mandating a state
commissioned office to investigate complaints restricts the administrative and democratic process
of community associations over issues easily resolved through an association’s governing documents. This
type of outsourcing is not an efficient use of resources.

Homeownership in a community association requires an understanding of a homeowner’s rights and
responsibilities. Residents in many community associations enjoy a range of amenities, common areas,
and rules that serve to protect and enhance the value of their property. However, these benefits
come with responsibilities such as payment of mandatory assessments, adherence to rules, and the ability of
the association to enforce those rules. In most cases, disputes between homeowners and associations
arise from a lack of understanding of these rules and responsibilities.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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It would probably be easier to push for an arbitration program that's affordable and could be used to resolve some of these issues before everyone throws hands in court. Ombudsman programs can't fix everything, but if you're going to have one, there should be another step people can take such as going to a division like the one being proposed by this bill.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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several states have such laws/rules but typically they are not funded thus no teeth in the act.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By WendyM5 on 04/29/2023 9:07 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 04/29/2023 6:52 AM
I know CAI does this in some states, but the last time I was on the board, our local chapter didn't gave the money to hire a full-time lobbyist


CAI lobbies AGAINST any ombudsman bills.They are pro management power, not pro Homeowner power.

NC LAC has already responded to the recently introduced bill: https://www.cai-nc.org/page/LACNews

AT THIS POINT IN THE SESSION, THE NC LAC IS NOT RECOMMENDING ANY ACTION from its members or interested community association stakeholder and supporters. We are simply providing this update to inform you that these bills have been recently introduced. The NC LAC will continue to closely monitor these bills and to watch for new legislative filings of importance to North Carolina communities. If other bills impacting community associations are filed or if either of these bills gain momentum, we may request your assistance and support as advocates of community associations so, together, we can protect and promote the interests of the thousands of community associations, and their members, across North Carolina. Please watch for updates and opportunities to get involved!

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Hmm, that may or may not mean this bill will sit in the committee without any action whatsoever until it does (which is what happens to about 80% of the stuff that gets introduced in any legislature, whether it's your city council or Congress). I'd talk with your local representatives anyway - even if this bill goes nowhere, it's good for them to remember the people who put them in their positions and they could benefit from actually listening to them every once in awhile.

Which brings up another thought - if this bill does get a hearing, why not organize some sort of town hall meeting in your community where people can talk about the ups and downs of HOA living and how this law could help, and invite the legislators to show up to listen? Invite other HOAs to attend and they can talk about their issues as well. The legislators might not show up, but they could send an aide who could listen and take the information back to them.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Eep - meant to say die instead of does. Such is politics (humming "I'm just a bill" from Schoolhouse Rock!)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By SheliaH on 04/29/2023 6:52 AM
You might want to start by seeing if and when the bill gets a hearing in the appropriate committee and try to attend, and perhaps testify. Read the portions of the state law this division would have jurisdiction over - for example, if there are rules regarding access to association records, you could testify on some if the issues you've had in getting board meeting minutes, income-expense reports, etc.

You might also give your local representative a heads up on the bill and encouraging him or her to support it should it come to the full house for a vote. If you're successful, do the same thing when the bill is transferred to the senate

Also check if the state legislative website had some some sort of alert system you can sign up for - everytime something happens with that bill, you'll get an email or text message and then you can go to the website for more information. Finally, keep an eye on the changes to the bill - some may be minor, others major, so if someone proposes a change that could dilute the bill`s effectiveness, you need to speak up.

PS - I can't remember if you're on the board- if so, you need to run this past your colleagues to see if they're OK with it. Otherwise, you'll need to make it clear to everyone you're speaking for yourself, not the association or the board. Our documents specifically prohibit political activity supporting one party or the other, which is why we've joined neighborhood organizations that can advocate for the entire area with the city or county. Unfortunately, there isn't a statewide organization- I know CAI does this in some states, but the last time I was on the board, our local chapter didn't gave the money to hire a full-time lobbyist

NC does have a specific statute relating to mediation. NCGS § 7A-38.3F(j), Association Duty to Notify, states, in part:
Each association shall, in writing, notify the members of the association each year that they may initiate mediation under this section to try to resolve a dispute with the association. The association shall publish the notice required in this subsection on the association’s Web site.

Given the history of our BOD, I very much doubt the BOD will engage in any mediation since it costs about $500 for the process. It took us months to get the BOD to acknowledge the above referenced statute since there was no evidence it had ever been complied with. The BOD is still not notifying owners, in writing annually, of their right to mediation and while they did finally put it on the web site, it is buried deep with a misleading file title that doesn't refer to mediation. I've thought of having a contest offering $50 to the first owner who can actually find it on the owner portal.

I am not on the board but I'm realizing I may have far more power NOT being on the board at this time. BTW, when people on this forum refer to their bylaws, I'm reminded just how vague ours is. It's almost like a boiler plate bylaws with no specific clauses. Ours has no mention of political activity at all.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By SheliaH on 05/01/2023 6:42 AM
Hmm, that may or may not mean this bill will sit in the committee without any action whatsoever until it does (which is what happens to about 80% of the stuff that gets introduced in any legislature, whether it's your city council or Congress). I'd talk with your local representatives anyway - even if this bill goes nowhere, it's good for them to remember the people who put them in their positions and they could benefit from actually listening to them every once in awhile.

Which brings up another thought - if this bill does get a hearing, why not organize some sort of town hall meeting in your community where people can talk about the ups and downs of HOA living and how this law could help, and invite the legislators to show up to listen? Invite other HOAs to attend and they can talk about their issues as well. The legislators might not show up, but they could send an aide who could listen and take the information back to them.

The biggest newspaper in the area has already published a news article on HBill 311 noting the bipartisan sponsorship as well as HOA owners' comments. I've noted the name of the journalist for future reference. I do have experience using press releases.

My next task is to contact the legislative assistant to the primary sponsor and see what I can do to rally support. Good idea about a town hall meeting.

Yes, it is a crap shot as to whether a bill becomes law. A few years ago I was following a NC bill that would have required annual financial audits be done for HOAs with incomes over $150K. It passed both the House and the Senate easily but by the time it arrived on the Governor's desk for signing, it had changed completely. It was now a bill about Covid and giving gym owners the right to open their gyms. The governor vetoed it and the House and Senate could not get enough votes to override the veto. It's called a "cross over" bill, a dirty political tactic imo. A new version of the financial audit bill has been submitted again last year and it's sitting in committee.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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And so you have TWO bills to keep track of! Don't be surprised if they end up being combined, assuming they get out of committee and get to the other legislative body, but if you get an effective one that actually passes and is signed into law, hurray.

Not at all surprised about the audit bill going down - politicians always tack on crap on a bill that looks like it'll be signed into law and when they succeed, that's how you end up with idiotic laws that no one knows about. To wit - In my state, the legislature just ended and passed an unnecessary bill on book banning (because it was low-hanging fruit compared to doing the hard stuff like addressing health care disparities or job creation). They did this without any input from teachers, librarians (what do they know anyway?) or the general public, and certainly not the opposing party. Instead they went behind closed doors and did what they do.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By JeanneH3 on 04/29/2023 5:06 AM

This is very encouraging. I'm going to direct some of my energies to contacting the bill's sponsors and seeing what I can do to help get it passed.

House Bill 311: Community Association Oversight Division

HB 311 was filed on March 8, 2023, by primary sponsors Rep. Frank Iler (R-Brunswick). Other sponsors include Rep. John Autry (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Carla Cunningham (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Wesley Harris (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Pricey Harrison (D-Guilford), and Rep. Frances Jackson (D-Cumberland).

The bill would create a “Community Association Oversight Division” within the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office. This new Division would be “available to assist a homeowner in a community governed by a community association to

determine whether the community association is acting in accordance with all applicable laws set forth in Chapters 47C [NC Planned Community Act], 47F [NC Condominium Act], and 55A [NC Nonprofit Act] of the General Statutes and
remedy any violations the Division determines to have been made by the community association by taking all steps the Division deems necessary, including commencing legal proceedings against the community association.”

The full bill can be found at https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookUp/2023/H311.

It looks like it was introduced on March 8th, amended on March 9th, and has been sitting ignored ever since. There are hundreds of bills out there, and I'm not skilled in the art of 'reading' the NC legislature. But HB311 doesn't seem particularly active, and I believe that is often a sign that it won't pass. I don't *know* that for a fact. But I know that just getting it to House Bill is 90% of the work. Getting it passed into law is the other 90% of the work.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By JeanneH3 on 05/01/2023 6:19 AM
Posted By WendyM5 on 04/29/2023 9:07 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 04/29/2023 6:52 AM
I know CAI does this in some states, but the last time I was on the board, our local chapter didn't gave the money to hire a full-time lobbyist


CAI lobbies AGAINST any ombudsman bills.They are pro management power, not pro Homeowner power.


NC LAC has already responded to the recently introduced bill: https://www.cai-nc.org/page/LACNews

AT THIS POINT IN THE SESSION, THE NC LAC IS NOT RECOMMENDING ANY ACTION from its members or interested community association stakeholder and supporters. We are simply providing this update to inform you that these bills have been recently introduced. The NC LAC will continue to closely monitor these bills and to watch for new legislative filings of importance to North Carolina communities. If other bills impacting community associations are filed or if either of these bills gain momentum, we may request your assistance and support as advocates of community associations so, together, we can protect and promote the interests of the thousands of community associations, and their members, across North Carolina. Please watch for updates and opportunities to get involved!


I'd like to wager they will fight this bill. How about that $50 you mentioned, lol. they just don't' see it as gaining momentum yet.

vis ta vie
JustinC5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 42
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Posted By JeanneH3 on 04/29/2023 5:06 AM

This is very encouraging. I'm going to direct some of my energies to contacting the bill's sponsors and seeing what I can do to help get it passed.

House Bill 311: Community Association Oversight Division

HB 311 was filed on March 8, 2023, by primary sponsors Rep. Frank Iler (R-Brunswick). Other sponsors include Rep. John Autry (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Carla Cunningham (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Wesley Harris (D-Mecklenburg), Rep. Pricey Harrison (D-Guilford), and Rep. Frances Jackson (D-Cumberland).

The bill would create a “Community Association Oversight Division” within the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office. This new Division would be “available to assist a homeowner in a community governed by a community association to

determine whether the community association is acting in accordance with all applicable laws set forth in Chapters 47C [NC Planned Community Act], 47F [NC Condominium Act], and 55A [NC Nonprofit Act] of the General Statutes and
remedy any violations the Division determines to have been made by the community association by taking all steps the Division deems necessary, including commencing legal proceedings against the community association.”

The full bill can be found at https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookUp/2023/H311.

Will be interesting if the screw it up like the planned community act, resulting it in not applying to some new associations, and all old associations.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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This legislation is "dead." It was changed from a proposal to create a new law into a legislative study where a group will report back to legislators in the future.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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From CAI:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 04/29/2023 11:12 AM
State agencies typically do not have authority to intervene in private disputes.
...
In most cases, disputes between homeowners and associations arise from a lack of understanding of these rules and responsibilities.
I am not a fan of CAI at all. But these are fair points.

People are arguably better served by forums like hoatalk. Here they can get a decent first grasp on what covenants and the relevant state statutes are saying, and how they are stuck complying with them (as is the Board).

By contrast, government agencies are stuck: They cannot seem to be giving legal advice. They are bound to be hurried in responding to lengthy complaints from owners.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By ElleN on 05/02/2023 11:06 AM
From CAI:
Posted By ElleN on 04/29/2023 11:12 AM
State agencies typically do not have authority to intervene in private disputes.
...
In most cases, disputes between homeowners and associations arise from a lack of understanding of these rules and responsibilities.
I am not a fan of CAI at all. But these are fair points.

People are arguably better served by forums like hoatalk. Here they can get a decent first grasp on what covenants and the relevant state statutes are saying, and how they are stuck complying with them (as is the Board).

By contrast, government agencies are stuck: They cannot seem to be giving legal advice. They are bound to be hurried in responding to lengthy complaints from owners.

The area newspaper reported that the main group of homeowners who appear to have influenced the primary sponsor of the bill were investigated by CAI's NC Legislative Action Committee's attorney, TImothy Sellers, and he found that their gripe with their HOA was not legitimately a violation of state law. They were unhappy about an assessment fee the BOD choose to apply and which was accepted by the majority of homeowners. Nothing against state statutes but underscores the importance of who you vote for BOD.

I kept thinking, "Wish I'd known sooner because our situation is a classic example of why that bill was needed and our testimony would have been devastating." Our group has a blog that documents, in detail, every state law our BOD is declining to comply with, what that non-compliance looks like.

I did speak with the LA of one House representative sponsor and she encouraged me to contact the representative personally, that he would want to hear and see the evidence.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 05/02/2023 11:06 AM
From CAI:
Posted By ElleN on 04/29/2023 11:12 AM
State agencies typically do not have authority to intervene in private disputes.
...
In most cases, disputes between homeowners and associations arise from a lack of understanding of these rules and responsibilities.
I am not a fan of CAI at all. But these are fair points.

People are arguably better served by forums like hoatalk. Here they can get a decent first grasp on what covenants and the relevant state statutes are saying, and how they are stuck complying with them (as is the Board).

By contrast, government agencies are stuck: They cannot seem to be giving legal advice. They are bound to be hurried in responding to lengthy complaints from owners.

When we started this adventure, we assumed that the BOD was unintentionally ignorant of the laws. I no longer believe that. The power differential between the BOD and a group of owners is acute. The BOD has access to an attorney the HOA pays for, they can email all the owners quickly and at no charge, and can create delay tactics while we must pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket for just an hour of legal answers, we don't have the owners email list but must spend about $115 to mail update letters which is slow compared to email.

The court system is a government entity that will provide remedy to the injustice of an HOA not complying with several laws. This fall, if the BOD pulls the same defiant act of not supplying the list of owners names and addresses 30 days prior to the annual meeting as required by law, I have to consider if I want to spend $5K to petition the superior court to remedy this by postponing the election until they do it correctly. I may likely get my legal fees paid but it will be by the owners, the BOD won't bear any financial responsibility. Same goes for petitioning the court to get the BOD to give access to us to inspect and copy records....another $5K to get that ball rolling. These AG's office should have the authority to allow homeowners to petition the state AG's office to address specific violations of the statutes.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By KellyM3 on 05/02/2023 5:17 AM
This legislation is "dead." It was changed from a proposal to create a new law into a legislative study where a group will report back to legislators in the future.

how did you determine that? I find it very confusing to determine the status of bills being proposed in NC.

vis ta vie
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By WendyM5 on 05/05/2023 12:36 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 05/02/2023 5:17 AM
This legislation is "dead." It was changed from a proposal to create a new law into a legislative study where a group will report back to legislators in the future.


how did you determine that? I find it very confusing to determine the status of bills being proposed in NC.

nevermind see version 2 on thier website.

vis ta vie
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By KellyM3 on 05/02/2023 5:17 AM
This legislation is "dead." It was changed from a proposal to create a new law into a legislative study where a group will report back to legislators in the future.

No, not dead. The House Bill was changed to a House Resolution, which was adopted, to create a Special Committee to study HOA issues. I just found and joined a new group called North Carolina Citizens for HOA Reform. Currently on Facebook but they need a web site which is something I can help with. This group is not discouraged by this development noting that there was a Special Committee on HOA issues in 2011-2012 that did result in changes to statutes. It makes sense to me because HB 311 was not the only bill sponsored that specially addressed HOA issues...there are five, if I recall, including one that would put limits on HOA board's power to foreclose.

The North Carolinians in this forum should consider joining North Carolina Citizens for HOA Reform (NCCHOAR) to keep up to speed on NC laws, legislation and lobbying efforts.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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This particular effort is dead. The study commission will certainly review the matter and issue a report. When a NC legislator tries to push a bill, and gets beaten on it, they will either convert the matter into a study or simply pull the bill and it's never heard again, thus avoiding a negative vote.

It doesn't mean that citizens groups and advocates can, will or should stop lobbying. It's a process.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
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Posted By KellyM3 on 05/07/2023 6:13 AM
This particular effort is dead. The study commission will certainly review the matter and issue a report. When a NC legislator tries to push a bill, and gets beaten on it, they will either convert the matter into a study or simply pull the bill and it's never heard again, thus avoiding a negative vote.

It doesn't mean that citizens groups and advocates can, will or should stop lobbying. It's a process.

On June 27, 2011, the governor signed House Bill 165 into law making changes to the Residential Property Disclosure Act, the Condominium Act and the Planned Community Act after the legislature received the findings and report from the 2011 NC House Select Committee on HOAs.

I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you present it.

RaymondJ1 (North Carolina)
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I am glade that NC AG will be talking an oversight role. The subdivision that I currently live in has an HOA but the developer has kept the HOA to himself, when he wanted to expand the subdivision he did so, and come to find out he filed paperwork citing that the road will be maintained by the homeowners but the road is crap it will take $250,000.00 to fix it and the developer shrugged his responsibility onto the homeowners, As he sold the lots he told the purchaser that the road will be taken over by the state only so that he could sell the lots. Every lot in the subdivision is owners financed with the exception of mines because I paid my home off in 2016 and this is when I found out that he filed a street disclosure statement citing that the homeowners are responsible for the road. He refuses to collect HOA dues, he refuses to repair anything (Flood drains), we have renters who refuse to follow any of the rules...and when you call the sheriff for neighborhood nuisances they don't do anything because the road is listed as private...
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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The problem you may have is that the developer is still running the show, and as long as that's the case, he may be able to do what he wants.

Have you and your neighbors spoken to the developer about this? Several, actually many of you, need to do this because it's easy to ignore one homeowner (several, actually many of you), need to do this because it's easy to ignore one or two people. You may also need to review your sales contract and HOA documents with an attorney to see if certain promises were made, but aren't being kept, and then decide if all of this warrants a lawsuit. That will take lots of time and money, and there's no guarantee you'll win. Because of the money issue, it would be best for a group of homeowners to pass the hat if a lawsuit is what you want to do - you can always request that you be reimbursed legal expenses if you win your lawsuit.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By RaymondJ1 on 05/16/2023 11:42 AM
I am glade that NC AG will be talking an oversight role. The subdivision that I currently live in has an HOA but the developer has kept the HOA to himself, when he wanted to expand the subdivision he did so, and come to find out he filed paperwork citing that the road will be maintained by the homeowners but the road is crap it will take $250,000.00 to fix it and the developer shrugged his responsibility onto the homeowners, As he sold the lots he told the purchaser that the road will be taken over by the state only so that he could sell the lots. Every lot in the subdivision is owners financed with the exception of mines because I paid my home off in 2016 and this is when I found out that he filed a street disclosure statement citing that the homeowners are responsible for the road. He refuses to collect HOA dues, he refuses to repair anything (Flood drains), we have renters who refuse to follow any of the rules...and when you call the sheriff for neighborhood nuisances they don't do anything because the road is listed as private...

you are jumping to conclusions, the bill did not pass. you are basically screwed as there is no law in NC that forces a developer to relenquish control. Get a local news story, post political signs and rally other owners for pressure.

vis ta vie
RaymondJ1 (North Carolina)
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So, I have a copy of all the filled documents in regards to the HOA. First, the HOA was filed in 2003 with the register of deeds, it went default for 7 years because the developer failed to file the proper documents with the DOR, the DOR was corrected, then the developer has never collected HOA dues, established committees, No tax identification, no state or federal filing when it comes to taxes or anything else, he enforces the HOA when he feels like it. In the HOA documents there is no expiration date or surrender date to the homeowners. It was written only to satisfy the filing with the county permit board so that he could get approval for the subdivision. I had a meeting with the permit board and was told he didn't even file a plat for the subdivision and they went hands off because he sold the lots already and he told them that the homeowners wanted to take over responsibility of the road which is false. The developer is telling the homeowner that the state will take over the road at some point which is also false because i had a conversation with DOT who related they would never take over the road because it doesn't meet the basics. and if you read the HOA documents you will see it only mention planting and irrigation for the subdivision. The homeowners don't care about the HOA being enforced because their land is owner financed with the developer, their homes are financed by bank lenders so they have two mortgages already so he refuses to enforce the HOA dues upon them because he has already told them that there is no HOA, and No he has never filed any documents with the register of deeds to dissolved the HOA. I am planning on filing a lawsuit against the developer, just for the sake of my home which is paid for and I plan on leaving it to my family and if I do nothing like the other homeowners I will be just like them.
RaymondJ1 (North Carolina)
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That's why I am filing a lawsuit in Superior Court of Columbus County, N.C.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By RaymondJ1 on 05/16/2023 5:08 PM
That's why I am filing a lawsuit in Superior Court of Columbus County, N.C.

suing over what? that he never created an HOA? attached is a 2 pg document about NC HOA roads

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vis ta vie
RaymondJ1 (North Carolina)
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Well he did create an HOA and never enforced the HOA in accordance with state law and he did state that the existing road complies with state standard to be assumed by DOT and the fact that the HOA documents doesn't mention repair of the road, and refusing to enforce the HOA to be able to make repairs to the road. The link you provided is very helpful, because page one, paragraph three, clearly state the responsibility of the developer which was never done. He sneakily filed a street disclosure statement citing that the homeowners agreed to maintain the road. It clearly state that the developer must certify and receive an acknowledgement of the status of the road. Thanks for the great information.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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good luck you can get the entire ebook from the NC Bar, its kind of hard to find on thier website, but you can call and they will help you.

Not enforcing an HOA rules might not win in NC courts unless you can prove damages. good luck.

vis ta vie

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