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WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Hello,

The HOA sent me a letter saying that I must edge and trim my yard and pressure wash my driveway. I usually edge but have not this year. The driveway does not need pressure washing.

Here is an excerpt from the covenants.

“Except to the extent such maintenance responsibility is assumed by the Association pursuant to Subsection (b) hereof, all maintenance and repair of a Lot, together with all portions of the Townhouse and other improvements thereon or improvements appurtenant thereto located within the Appurtenant Easement Area of a Lot, shall be the responsibility of the Owner of such Lot…. Each Owner shall also be responsible for maintaining his Lot in a neat, clean and sanitary condition, and such responsibility shall include the maintenance and care of all lawns, trees, shrubs, hedges, grass and other landscaping contained within such Lot.”

I take this to mean that the owners have responsibility and the HOA has no power in this area. It is something I have maintained at board meetings over the years. Now I have this letter; I don't mind keeping the yard up , but not because the HOA says so.

Any comments would be welcome. This is in Georgia.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By WalterM3 on 04/29/2023 2:43 AM
Here is an excerpt from the covenants.

“Except to the extent such maintenance responsibility is assumed by the Association pursuant to Subsection (b) hereof, all maintenance and repair of a Lot, together with all portions of the Townhouse and other improvements thereon or improvements appurtenant thereto located within the Appurtenant Easement Area of a Lot, shall be the responsibility of the Owner of such Lot…. Each Owner shall also be responsible for maintaining his Lot in a neat, clean and sanitary condition, and such responsibility shall include the maintenance and care of all lawns, trees, shrubs, hedges, grass and other landscaping contained within such Lot.”

I take this to mean that the owners have responsibility and the HOA has no power in this area.
The covenants are contractual terms between you, your neighbors and the HOA corporation. The HOA and your neighbors have the legal right to require you to comply with the covenants, and vise-versa (you have the legal right to require the HOA and your neighbors comply with the covenants).
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You might not think the driveway needs washing, but you live there and sometimes we really don't notice a problem because we've become used to its appearance and don't see what others see. It may be easier to notice if the lawn needs edging.

That said, I think boards should start by focusing on things that are really obvious like lawns that have dead spots everywhere or oil on the driveway. Its also possible everyone received the same letter - the board might not feel you have a problem but there are a few homes that do. By sending everyone the same letter, you might prevent more homes from looking raggedy.

Read the letter again- was it a friendly reminder or a "do this with 30 days or else" letter?

I've heard driveways should be washed at least once a year, but depending on how much use it gets and your weather, you may be able to stretch that to every 18 months. You might want to ask the board why it feels you need to do this now. Take a picture of your driveway and bring that with you - they may have noticed something months ago that's no longer the case. Or it really is messy and you should clean it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Sort of a side issue, but in my community pressure-washing would send water/oil/chemicals into the storm sewers and from there into our detention pond. Once in the detention pond, it eventually would end up in the water shed of the river that's a mile away. County officials would have Thoughts, and these Thoughts could potentially have price tags attached to them.

In addition, Walter's covenants are ambiguous. "Neat, clean and sanitary" are judgement calls, and the outdoors isn't clean and sanitary by any normal meanings of those words. Animals use the property as a latrine! I think edging looks attractive and makes the community look well maintained, but lack of edging doesn't necessarily make it look neglected.

I hate ambiguous covenants, both as a homeowner and as a board member who has to enforce the danged things. You inevitably end up with selective enforcement to some extent because no two board members will interpret them the same way.

Is this worth fighting over? I'd probably push back, citing the ambiguous nature of the covenant and the need for more well-defined rules. I'd probably mention court cases where ambiguous covenants were not upheld. Maybe look into local cases or legislation dealing with water quality issues. Wouldn't be willing to pay for a lawyer and go to court over it, though, since complying with the board's request is cheaper.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I have had the same violation letter myself. At the time my edger was broken so had not been able to edge. (A neighbor helped). This year now trying to get more of a regular mowing routine. My driveway people often use to turn around in. Which then leaves tire marks. Does not help the ground is red clay dirt. I expect will have to clean that soon.

Yes, the HOA can do this and most do. You want a "uniform" look to increase potential buyers to purchase. A neighborhood that is full of unmowed and not well kept yards doesn't entice many to buy.

Former HOA President
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By WalterM3 on 04/29/2023 2:43 AM
Hello,

I take this to mean that the owners have responsibility and

the HOA has no power in this area.

yes you have responsibiltiy and the HOA will potentially fine your ass off if you dont' listen to them is what it means. read the rest of your rules what is the fine policy.

vis ta vie
MargaretM5 (Hawaii)
Posts: 34
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My CC&Rs have a passage that is worded very similarly to yours.

A few years ago, the board received complaints about a yard. She got a letter and responded by arguing that, since there were no written rules describing the standard to which the owners had to maintain their lots, it was completely up to the owner.

Our attorney concluded (with 5 pages of legal analysis and references) that the passage is really saying that the owners have the responsibility to DO the maintenance, and the board/HOA has the authority to DEFINE what maintenance needs to be done. Absent a written maintenance standard, he said it would be most fair to use the standard that was in place while the community was under Declarant control (also unwritten, but sales pictures and other references made it very clear).

Please keep in mind that there may be differences between my situation and your own that make the above not applicable.

The Declarant's standard was too strict for our community, so we decided to resolve it by creating rules about maintenance standards. It wasn't a perfect solution. It was a lot of effort for the committee. It took about a year and cost about $1,000 (legal review, special meeting to adopt, notice to owners). Enforcement is still at least somewhat dependent on the subjective opinions of the homeowners (who may complain about their neighbors' yards), the inspector, and the board.

If you want to seek clarification, I would start by politely asking a few questions. Does your community have a written or non-written, formal or informal maintenance standard (could be a rules or guidelines document, a resolution, or even just notations in the minutes)? Is enforcement complaint-based, or are routine inspections done? What does the inspector look for? Would the board be willing to give an educational presentation about the enforcement process at the next open board or members meeting, or remind everyone of the standards and rules in a letter or newsletter?

If you disagree that your yard currently needs the maintenance the board is asking you to do, there is probably a way to request a hearing. If you are granted a hearing, remember to be polite, bring evidence, and seek solutions. Many people bristle when they get an enforcement letter--criticisms of our homes feels really personal!--but being polite goes a long way towards getting what you want.

If you feel that the maintenance expectations in your neighborhood are unclear, inconsistent, change at the whim of each new board, are poorly communicated, or are unevenly applied, a written maintenance standard might help. Maybe you could start drafting one to propose at the next meeting of the members. Many communities have their rules posted online. Maybe you can find one you like, to use as a template.

Also, be sure to vote for board candidates that share your perspective regarding yard maintenance--or run for a board position yourself.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
That's a great answer, Margaret! Hope Walter gives it serious attention.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Margaret,

That's good information, thanks.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/29/2023 8:27 AM
Sort of a side issue, but in my community pressure-washing would send water/oil/chemicals into the storm sewers and from there into our detention pond. Once in the detention pond, it eventually would end up in the water shed of the river that's a mile away. County officials would have Thoughts, and these Thoughts could potentially have price tags attached to them.

In addition, Walter's covenants are ambiguous. "Neat, clean and sanitary" are judgement calls, and the outdoors isn't clean and sanitary by any normal meanings of those words. Animals use the property as a latrine! I think edging looks attractive and makes the community look well maintained, but lack of edging doesn't necessarily make it look neglected.

I hate ambiguous covenants, both as a homeowner and as a board member who has to enforce the danged things. You inevitably end up with selective enforcement to some extent because no two board members will interpret them the same way.

Is this worth fighting over? I'd probably push back, citing the ambiguous nature of the covenant and the need for more well-defined rules. I'd probably mention court cases where ambiguous covenants were not upheld. Maybe look into local cases or legislation dealing with water quality issues. Wouldn't be willing to pay for a lawyer and go to court over it, though, since complying with the board's request is cheaper.

Devils advocate here, let's change the scenario. What if someone washes their car in the driveway? Where does that water with soap go?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Dear LAWRD, there are some HOA's here in Vegas that are very nit picky and would cite you for tire marks in your driveway and apron.
You power wash your driveway and BAM! you pull your car in and there are the tire marks, again.

To the OP, yes your HOA can and has a legal obligation to ensure all owners follow the CC&R's. What don't seem important to you vastly differs
from the standards that are drafted in each communities covenants.
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Hi,

Upon reflection, I see it the way you do. A few years ago I got a letter saying that I had to stain my driveway. I said in answer that I controlled my yard as long as it was tidy, etc. they had no power to make me stain the driveway and it wasn't reasonable to require that. I didn't hear anything back.

About 10% of the driveways here are stained. It wears out pretty quickly and soon has bare spots. I don't like the appearance and it is my business not theirs.

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