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PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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We are a 42 YO condo community, stacked 2 units high. The decking and support structure for the 2nd story entrance breezeway needs replacement. There are 4 units affected. 2 upstairs and 2 downstairs. The decking and supports are located at and above the 1st floor entrances.

Vendor needs “no access” to the building for 5 days and 2 days of “no access” from 8-5. Of course, the weather could delay the repair at any stage.

Has anyone had any experience with this type of repair and displacing residents? HOA provides monetary compensation to the residents who have to move out for 5 days? What happens if a resident refuses to vacate?

I retired from the Board last year after 9 years. The new Board is trying their best and ask my opinion on matters like this. Also, I happen to live on the 1st floor of this building.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By PatJ1 on 04/20/2023 11:05 AM
We are a 42 YO condo community, stacked 2 units high. The decking and support structure for the 2nd story entrance breezeway needs replacement. There are 4 units affected. 2 upstairs and 2 downstairs. The decking and supports are located at and above the 1st floor entrances.

Vendor needs “no access” to the building for 5 days and 2 days of “no access” from 8-5. Of course, the weather could delay the repair at any stage.

Has anyone had any experience with this type of repair and displacing residents? HOA provides monetary compensation to the residents who have to move out for 5 days? What happens if a resident refuses to vacate?

I retired from the Board last year after 9 years. The new Board is trying their best and ask my opinion on matters like this. Also, I happen to live on the 1st floor of this building.

I fail to see why a resident would need to be displaced. Inconvenienced maybe but not displaced.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Can you share your state?

In California, the individual owners have to pay the cost of relocation.

Have you checked the HOA's insurance policy for "loss of use" coverage? Have the individual owners checked their insurance policies for the same?
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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Posted By ElleN on 04/20/2023 11:28 AM
Can you share your state?

In California, the individual owners have to pay the cost of relocation.

Have you checked the HOA's insurance policy for "loss of use" coverage? Have the individual owners checked their insurance policies for the same?

North Carolina

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What John said. I can see no access between 8 am and 5 pm - that's annoying, but it's better than not being able to access the building at all. Could the vendor extend the work to make that happen?

As for the compensation, your board's pretty generous, but then again, I live in a townhouse community, so I suppose everyone has some sort of loss of use coverage in their homeowner insurance policies (at least I do).

If this repair is necessary to ensure safety, homeowners should be told that, if they aren't already aware, so I would hope someone wouldn't be contrary and refuse. Otherwise, he/she is inconveniencing everyone else and adding costs to the job. If I had to turn this over to the association attorney to see if some sort of emergency order could be obtained to get the homeowner out, that's what I'd do (and the homeowner would have to pay the association's legal expenses - that alone might give him or her pause).

Even better, if this is related to a city code requirement, I'd tell that homeowner he/she/they would be responsible for paying any fines that resulted because they got into that "hell no, we won't go" mindset.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
The scope of the work would indeed require no access to the 2 upstairs units although finding a vendor to do it in less than 5 days may be possible. It's not an insurance covered event.

Further digging on the web found this recent blog entry from our law firm. Community is located right up the road from us. Our CCR's are silent in the matter.

Owner pays costs for temporary relocation:

https://blog.lawfirmcarolinas.com/homeowners-association-not-responsible-for-owners-out-of-pocket-expenses/

Fortunately, because I have a gated back patio, I will continue to have access to my condo. Will just have to work through the noise during the repair. I am very glad I am not longer on the Board. We have a few buildings needing this repair. My building's repair was classified as urgent by the structural engineers hired to review the entire community.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By PatJ1 on 04/22/2023 6:17 AM
My building's repair was classified as urgent by the structural engineers hired to review the entire community.
Serious question: Do you understand how serious this is? The board and you do not know what you do not know. But you have a structural engineer who does know. For liability reasons the board should not roll the dice on this situation. Anyone not cooperating gets a letter from the attorney, or if the attorney coordinates with the police to evict the party (for safety reasons), then so be it.

Think of the Florida Surfside condominium. In contrast, for a great account of a condominium that had serious structural problems and whose amazing board (with a retired psychotherapist at the helm) successfully got people to leave for a period, see https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By ElleN on 04/22/2023 6:58 AM
Posted By PatJ1 on 04/22/2023 6:17 AM
My building's repair was classified as urgent by the structural engineers hired to review the entire community.
Serious question: Do you understand how serious this is? The board and you do not know what you do not know. But you have a structural engineer who does know. For liability reasons the board should not roll the dice on this situation. Anyone not cooperating gets a letter from the attorney, or if the attorney coordinates with the police to evict the party (for safety reasons), then so be it.

Think of the Florida Surfside condominium. In contrast, for a great account of a condominium that had serious structural problems and whose amazing board (with a retired psychotherapist at the helm) successfully got people to leave for a period, see https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower.

Wow, this is a great story! Sadly, I can't help but think it may be the exception. I hope I'm wrong.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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Posted By ElleN on 04/22/2023 6:58 AM
Posted By PatJ1 on 04/22/2023 6:17 AM
My building's repair was classified as urgent by the structural engineers hired to review the entire community.
Serious question: Do you understand how serious this is? The board and you do not know what you do not know. But you have a structural engineer who does know. For liability reasons the board should not roll the dice on this situation. Anyone not cooperating gets a letter from the attorney, or if the attorney coordinates with the police to evict the party (for safety reasons), then so be it.

Think of the Florida Surfside condominium. In contrast, for a great account of a condominium that had serious structural problems and whose amazing board (with a retired psychotherapist at the helm) successfully got people to leave for a period, see https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower.

Yes. I am aware of how serious this is. The decking has been temporarily secured. One neighbor asked me when they were going to paint it, like it's a permanent addition :{ The board has 2 quotes, 1 is almost double the other. I suggested they get more quotes. Big issue around here is just getting vendors to quote. Especially if you're an HOA.

I am disgusted by the owner's who think we don't need a Reserve Account (and those who won't step up to serve on the Board). They want the pay as you go plan. The replacement/repairs are estimated at $8-12,000 per entrance. We have 40 entrances. OH, but they are very vocal about replacing the roads and parking lot ($750,000).

This was supposed to be my home for retirement. I have lost any faith that the community will maintain it's selling integrity past the next 2-4 years. Retire next year and have started looking for my new beginning. I can't afford to replace where I'm at, so I'm looking towards the mountains or closer to the coast. Fortunately I don't need/want much, so I have options.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Sadly this type of short sided thinking is far too common in HOAS. People don't seem to realize nothing lasts forever, the cost of living does go up (sometimes way the hell up!) and you must prepare for tbe worst while hoping for the best. 8 imagine most if them don't live on a osy as you go plan right now - otherwise, why the hell do you have an IRA or health savings account? Or life insurance?

You were once on the board- why not suggest they have a special homeowners meeting on the subject, and the vendor can make a presentation and people can ask questions? Sometimes hearing this from outside parties is more convincing, and in this case, I'd ask the vendor to bring a power point with photos of the damage, so people can see what they're living with. Then they can decide if they want to bite tge bullet and address this now instead of humpty dumpty and the entire carton of eggs going splat without warning. Consider that's what happened with Surfside- that building toppled as people slept.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By PatJ1 on 04/22/2023 7:34 AM
Posted By ElleN on 04/22/2023 6:58 AM
Posted By PatJ1 on 04/22/2023 6:17 AM
My building's repair was classified as urgent by the structural engineers hired to review the entire community.
Serious question: Do you understand how serious this is? The board and you do not know what you do not know. But you have a structural engineer who does know. For liability reasons the board should not roll the dice on this situation. Anyone not cooperating gets a letter from the attorney, or if the attorney coordinates with the police to evict the party (for safety reasons), then so be it.

Think of the Florida Surfside condominium. In contrast, for a great account of a condominium that had serious structural problems and whose amazing board (with a retired psychotherapist at the helm) successfully got people to leave for a period, see https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower.


Yes. I am aware of how serious this is. The decking has been temporarily secured. One neighbor asked me when they were going to paint it, like it's a permanent addition :{ The board has 2 quotes, 1 is almost double the other. I suggested they get more quotes. Big issue around here is just getting vendors to quote. Especially if you're an HOA.

I am disgusted by the owner's who think we don't need a Reserve Account (and those who won't step up to serve on the Board). They want the pay as you go plan. The replacement/repairs are estimated at $8-12,000 per entrance. We have 40 entrances. OH, but they are very vocal about replacing the roads and parking lot ($750,000).

This was supposed to be my home for retirement. I have lost any faith that the community will maintain it's selling integrity past the next 2-4 years. Retire next year and have started looking for my new beginning. I can't afford to replace where I'm at, so I'm looking towards the mountains or closer to the coast. Fortunately I don't need/want much, so I have options.

good for you for seeing Condo life as it really is, a bad joke. move out ASAP. Entrusting volunteers to run millions of dollars and long term planning is just like asking politicians to think of long term conseuqences.

vis ta vie
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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How many total people will be displaced and for how many days?
Honestly if your operating budget is healthy, pay for the hotel rooms for each unit displaced.
Talk to your insurance carrier to see if they cover this and I would hire temporary security
to guard the units while construction is taking place. You might get a deal booking a
bunch of rooms at one time.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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In my condo building, owners must pay for their own relocation during projects. There are 2 listed in our CC&Rs, one is termite work, so IMO, the cost is on owners in similar condo cases.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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As I originally posted, I just do not think the proposed repairs justify one moving out of their unit while the repairs are on going.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By JohnC46 on 04/23/2023 12:07 PM
As I originally posted, I just do not think the proposed repairs justify one moving out of their unit while the repairs are on going.

If it is what I am visualizing, it wound need the owners, residents out of the unit. have seen some really weird designs over the years. I saw one apartment complex that was two story fourplex clusters and the adjoining
"brezeway" was basically an elevated wood deck for the 4 adjoining units on the second floor.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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Posted By JohnC46 on 04/23/2023 12:07 PM
As I originally posted, I just do not think the proposed repairs justify one moving out of their unit while the repairs are on going.

The deck supports are built horizontally into the stairwell. These supports have warped and need replacing. May require dismantling 2 sections of the stairwell. This isn't just a ground up support system which could possibly be replaced without displacing residents.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Honestly, plan for worst case scenario so you're not in a mad scramble to relocate a bunch of people in a pinch.

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