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ElaineI (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Good Morning,

You guys have been amazing so I figured I would reach out again. We have a problem in our community with people using the pool that don't live here. We know the fence needs to be higher but that is an expense at this time that is not in the budget sooooooo.. What kind of security do you have? What type of locks do you have on your gate? We have a Key fob in the front but the back has a Push Bar and people can actually can reach over and open it on the backside.

Any suggestion will be helpful so I can pass it along to the Board.

Thank you in advance.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We had a specialized combo lock. May ask a locksmith about a good locking system. They may have a good suggestion. Also make sure fence is compliant to fire codes etc. People need to get out if there is an emergency.

You may be able to add an addition to the top of the fence rather than replace the entire fence. Add some decorative lattice to the top. This will allow sun to come in and prevent people from crawling over.

Former HOA President
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
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Posted By ElaineI on 04/14/2023 3:42 AM
Good Morning,

You guys have been amazing so I figured I would reach out again. We have a problem in our community with people using the pool that don't live here. We know the fence needs to be higher but that is an expense at this time that is not in the budget sooooooo.. What kind of security do you have? What type of locks do you have on your gate? We have a Key fob in the front but the back has a Push Bar and people can actually can reach over and open it on the backside.

Any suggestion will be helpful so I can pass it along to the Board.

Thank you in advance.

Apologies for being late to the party on this - ironically, I've been busy with pool stuff: negotiating and scheduling lifeguards, setting up hours of operation, working 'bugs' out of the gate access system, etc. Our pool is typically closed on Mondays for maintenance, but we make an exception for Memorial Day, Labor Day, and Independence day when they include a Monday. I've been using the local school district calendar for a reference - then I noticed on my iPad calendar that Juneteenth (19 June) falls on Monday this year. So we're opening up the pool for Juneteenth, too! The weird part to me is that it wasn't on the school district calendar. Oh well.

Re OP's questions: we've got a key fob system, too. And we have issues with people climbing the fence. And a BIG issue earlier this year with a homeless fellow who took to wrecking stuff. We're looking at getting fence extensions to discourage climbing, but (sorry) I don't have much I can report about it.

It's funny that you mention 'reaching over' and opening the gate: while dealing with the homeless fellow, I chanced to see an unrelated incident play out on video, where a woman reached over with a short piece of 2x4 and banged the push bar and *voila!* she was in. I was like "wow, I gotta try that!" so I did - I found it was more difficult than it looked. We're looking at covering up the gaps in the gate that allow this trick, but - it's not a high priority.

We lease security cameras from a local provider; the provider has been great, but the value of security video is, IMHO, highly overrated. One thing I'd advise is testing that you can ID people by their key fob access. Last year we had an 'incident' at the pool where some residents threw a wild party that made a huge mess. We had video, we asked our mgmt company to ID the people who fobbed in at such and such a time, and - essentially, our mgmt company let us down. We've got a new mgmt company, and they've been much better.

One last thing: we've got lifeguards again, after not having lifeguards for the past couple of years. There is thought that the mere presence of lifeguards may inhibit a certain amount of gate-crashing and other uncivil behavior. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but I'm hopeful.

Several summers ago, I witnessed a car full of teens cruise past the pool. They stopped and an attractive young woman in a swimsuit got out, the car drove away, and she tried but couldn't get the gate open. Until a young neighbor fellow gallantly opened the gate for her. And 5 minutes later the car returned, parked, 4 or 5 people in swimwear got out, and the aforementioned attractive young woman opened the gate and let them in. I thought it was hilarious.

I understand that this kind of thing is 'wrong', but I don't really have much problem with it in small doses. It's summer, they're teenagers. Better they spend the day swimming than taking drugs or getting drunk or listening to that demonic rock 'music' stuff that teenagers nowadays are all into. Also, to be blunt, they're a lot easier on the eye than the usual neighborhood pool crowd.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
We did replace our fence a few years ago which nearly eliminated trespassers after hours. We went with a 7 foot metal fence that curves out at the top. We have seen a couple of people scale it after hours but very very few compared to before. Google “curved top steel fence” for an idea.

We also use a card access system to control access. It doesn’t stop someone from letting others in the pool that shouldn’t be there but it does help keep dues paid up during summer months. We do have a camera system, it’s helpful sometimes but also the presence of cameras is somewhat of a deterrent in itself.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I often mention liability. The trouble with turning a blind eye to trespassers is that if one of them gets hurt - or hurts an association member - and the injured party sues the association, the insurer may have some opinions if it turns out that the board was lax in prevention. Worst case scenario is if the insurer's opinion is that they won't cover the claim.

"Better they spend the day swimming than taking drugs or getting drunk or listening to that demonic rock 'music' stuff that teenagers nowadays are all into." What makes you think they're not doing all of this stuff at the same time?
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Elaine,
I have a few issues with everyone's responses including your original post. How do you know they are not residents or renters? If your management or pool monitor approaches anyone and says anything like that and they do live in your HOA I can only imagine what happens next. The rear gate should always be secured and in most cases an Alarm can sound when someone pushes the push bar without disarming. That is what we had in my Ca. HOA. It can be annoying to others but also a deterrent.

Melissa,
Anyone who knows the combo of a lock and wants to share it can do it in seconds. Think about teenagers wanting to have a party and they post the code.

Bill,
Over the years I have also seen some pretty inventive ways to beat locked gates. It is a constant challenge and all we can do is adapt once we know what has been tried. I have been advised by more than one HOA attorney never to use the term Lifeguard. We only use the Pool Monitor title. Lifeguards are there to save lives and most HOA pools have a swim at your own risk in the rules.

Chris,
I think we all have had the problem of people letting someone standing at the gate in when they ask or give a reason, they do not have a fob on them. We specifically have sent out several eblasts this year reminding owners if you let them in, they are your guests and they will be responsible for anything that happens while they are there, and your privileges may be suspended. If the language is tuff enough the owners may take the advice and point to the notice on the fence and say I can't let you in.

Pools are always problems and all any of us can hope to do is hope for rainy days and a short season till summer is over.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 04/19/2023 12:29 PM
I often mention liability. The trouble with turning a blind eye to trespassers is that if one of them gets hurt - or hurts an association member - and the injured party sues the association, the insurer may have some opinions if it turns out that the board was lax in prevention. Worst case scenario is if the insurer's opinion is that they won't cover the claim.

"Better they spend the day swimming than taking drugs or getting drunk or listening to that demonic rock 'music' stuff that teenagers nowadays are all into." What makes you think they're not doing all of this stuff at the same time?

Your point is taken. And your point is taken.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”

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