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SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
We have bylaws from 1989 when this HOA of 95 homes was incorporated. The Bylaws say the Board has the power to formulate rules of operation for the Association. We have CC&R's that were updated in 2017. The CC&Rs have 5 pages devoted to "Use of Properties and Restrictions" this section includes 22 Use/Restrictions including things like Noxious or Nuisance Activities, Signs, Pets, Business Activities, Clotheslines, Basketball Hoops etc. Do most HOAs have many more Rules in a separate document from the CC&R's. Or has our relatively recent Attorney led CC&R update got us covered? Regards, Sue
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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E hav a lot of rules in the CC&Rs, but most are in a separate governing document. I think it's best because rules can become obsolete and that would require the entire HOA voting to eliminate or amend the rule. A Rules & Regs governing document can be changed by the Board with Owner feedback.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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our rules and reguations is almost exactly the same as CCR's just formatted differently and in a few cases more specific in regards to what changes should get ARC approval.

from what I have read the Rules and Regulations can only clarify the CCR's not really make up entirely new rules. If an HOA wants to make up entinrely new rules they need to update the CCRs.

curious if clotheslines were approved in 2017?

vis ta vie
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
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It is very difficult to change the Bylaws or CC&R's.

But if you look at the below Hierarchy, you will see under Rules and Regulations where the Board can create 'Operating Rules'. (These rules require a 28 day notice to the homeowners, but the Board can just vote the rules in - though they can be vetoed)

Basic Homeowners Association Documents and Hierarchy of Authority

All associations have the following basic set of governing documents (listed in order of hierarchy) that dictate how a community may be governed:
1. Federal and state law - Unless the statute defers to the association's documents.
2. Declaration of Covenants, Conditions & Restrictions (CC&Rs) - Contains the rights and responsibilities of each member and the responsibilities of the HOA to its members. Information about architectural restrictions, property use restrictions, property maintenance standards, and more.
3. Articles of Incorporation - Includes basic information about the HOA including the name of the association, its location, and the purpose of the association.
4. Bylaws - Set out the technical rules and procedures for things like voting, the election of directors, and term limits.
5. Rules and Regulations - Details how the CC&Rs are interpreted and implemented.
1. Operating Rules
1. Regulations adopted by the board
2. Architectural Standards (ARC Guidelines)
3. Enforcement Policy
4. Election Rules

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/R/Rules-Explained
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
I wasn’t on the Board in 2017 but it’s in our 2017 cc&rs
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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First, the CCRs MUST give a Board the ability to create rules. Second, Rules MUST be "fair and reasonable".

For instance, if the CCRs didn't give the board the authority to create rules, in order to create parking rules, the CCRs MUST be amended.

The majority of the Rules and Regulations are created from the Use Restriction that Susan described. "Operating Rules" are not "use restrictions".
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thank you all for sharing your wisdom
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SusanO3 on 04/11/2023 5:50 PM
We have bylaws from 1989 when this HOA of 95 homes was incorporated. The Bylaws say the Board has the power to formulate rules of operation for the Association. We have CC&R's that were updated in 2017. The CC&Rs have 5 pages devoted to "Use of Properties and Restrictions" this section includes 22 Use/Restrictions including things like Noxious or Nuisance Activities, Signs, Pets, Business Activities, Clotheslines, Basketball Hoops etc. Do most HOAs have many more Rules in a separate document from the CC&R's. Or has our relatively recent Attorney led CC&R update got us covered? Regards, Sue
As the responses so far indicate, I think it just depends on the wording in the CC&Rs.

Do your CC&Rs include a procedure for submitting a complaint and how the complaint is to be investigated? How about a fine schedule? If not, I think these should be a part of the Rules and Regulations.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Susan

Typically Rules & Regulations can be made by the BOD alone and they can be changed by the BOD. Where many BODs get in trouble is when they make R&R that contradict a Covenant or Bylaw. As one poster said R&R's can clarify things such as pool hours but one could not be made to remove the pool.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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To ElleN's point: A Fine Schedule would be in the Rules & Regs and, as with a rules, in CA, changes to the Schedule must be sent to owners for their 28-day review.

Procedures for making complaints about alleged violations wouldn't usually be in the Rules & Regs, but would be a form or similar to fill out, yes, simply a procedure.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
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Thank you all, this is a wonderful resource for newly appointed Board members
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Do note, Susan, that JamesB & I are referring strictly to CA, where, unlike SC, for example, Owners have some voice in proposed rules and can with a lot work veto rules.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/12/2023 3:16 PM
Do note, Susan, that JamesB & I are referring strictly to CA, where, unlike SC, for example, Owners have some voice in proposed rules and can with a lot work veto rules.

California owners also have the ability to reverse a rules change, Civil Code §4365 with a majority of a quorum vote.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thanks for clarifying, I’m in CA too so your advice is really helpful
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/12/2023 10:04 AM
Procedures for making complaints about alleged violations wouldn't usually be in the Rules & Regs, but would be a form or similar to fill out, yes, simply a procedure.
The "procedures" for making complaints are, for the greater part, a board-created rule, period.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
SusanO3

I am in Texas and offer the following as a Texas requirement encountered in our experience you may wish to ensure does or does not apply in California.

With respect to Rules and Regulations, and Compliance as they are related, the Declaration must (and I emphasize must) contain specific language which empowers the Board to develop and apply a schedule of fines. If such language is not present it may not be possible for an Association to enforce a schedule of fines.

The language must clearly state something along the lines of: "The Board is empowered to develop and distribute a schedule of fines to be applied as part of a documented compliance process."

We encountered this some years ago in the Association in which we resided: the association attorney told the Board he would not represent the Association should fines be put in place as there was no enabling language for fines in the Declaration. He also would not support alternatives, such as calling the fines "special assessments".

He suggested amending the Declaration, which was possible but very unlikely as (at that time) approval of 75% of the 237 owners was required. The percentage is now 67% due to legislative changes, 8% is not going to make any difference.

Of course this reduced any type of compliance enforcement to the good will of the owner who was not in compliance with the documents. The Association is now 27 years old and it is simple to identify the miscreants during a casual drive-by.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Dear Bill: I have just checked our rewritten CC&Rs from 2017 and both elements you mention are in there. Whew! Thanks. Sue

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