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DonS20 (Florida)
Posts: 11
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If the current Board refeences the previous boards (hoa attorney generated) cease and desist letter (no new letter forthcoming) - What recourse do you have? Has anyone had this experience?

I understand that a Cease and Desist letter from the Board or an HOA Attorney is a scare tacktic. If it comes from the court then you have a problem.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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A cease and desist, not from the courts, is merely a scare tactic and should be treated as such.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Unless the recipient is engaged in behavior meriting such a letter, in which case the recipient should strongly consider ceasing and desisting. Telling an offender to knock it off is often the first required step in pursuing legal remedies.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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It can be a scare tactic, but it should be used if someone is engaging in illegal behavior, such as copyright infringement. For example, you may have seen online news articles that mention something that was posted on Instagram, the newspaper, or whoever might have tried to repost it, but it got yanked for copyright reasons.

In this case, the letter may have become necessary if someone displayed totally boorish and threatening behavior, such as trespassing onto a board member's property after he/she was told to stop, or sent threatening emails to all the board members. Not a "vote this way or I'll talk to all the neighbors about a recall vote", but more along the lines of "if you don't resign, there will be more than a cross burning on your lawn" or some such.

As Cathy noted, I'd have to see the letter and want to know what the person was doing and for how long to prompt the letter. If we're talking about you and you received this cease and desist letter, you should stop it before you encounter the wrong person. Or as my dad used to say "Don't let your mouth write a check your butt can't cash." Until both sides find a way to resolve whatever beef this is, the homeowner's attorney should probably be the one to send letters or make phone calls on his/her behalf.
It'll cost, but it's better than being in jail, the hospital, or the morgue.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Assuming it's about you, DonS, for what purpose did the current board send you a copy of the letter? Did they attach some sort of cover memo to it?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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A cease and desist letter doesn’t go away just because there is a new board. It only goes away if the event/behavior stops. As others have said, it’s the required step before meditation or a lawsuit. Obviously the new board is aware of the past issue. It could be they are going to take action.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By LoriM15 on 04/05/2023 1:12 PM
A cease and desist letter doesn’t go away just because there is a new board. It only goes away if the event/behavior stops. As others have said, it’s the required step before meditation or a lawsuit. Obviously the new board is aware of the past issue. It could be they are going to take action.

A new Board could have it thrown in the trash, just prior to firing the law firm.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By LoriM15 on 04/05/2023 1:12 PM
A cease and desist letter doesn’t go away just because there is a new board. It only goes away if the event/behavior stops. As others have said, it’s the required step before meditation or a lawsuit. Obviously the new board is aware of the past issue. It could be they are going to take action.
This response is perfect. I agree.
DonS20 (Florida)
Posts: 11
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Thanks everyone for your comments. The HOA attorney wrote the first paragraph saying you have been advised. This was followed by a number of general points. I believe the President supplied them and it appears that the attorney didn’t rewrite any one. I know for a fact that 3 of the 5 board members didn’t know about the letter and it was never discussed at a board meeting. The closing paragraph written by the attorney said stop or legal action could be taken. The problem is the letter had no backup data just general statements. As far as I’m concerned they can bring legal action. In FL for those who don’t know the governing FL statute (720) requires mediation before you come close to going before a judge. I have every confidence that the new board will carried forward (1 new member on this board) the same illegal issues. This HOA is 30+ years old and we have had 2 homeowners who were real SOBs and no board wrote any letter. There has always been one or more board members that worked to resolve any issue.

A this point my question is a what if ?
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DonS20 on 04/05/2023 3:34 PM
In FL for those who don’t know the governing FL statute (720) requires mediation before you come close to going before a judge.
For a certain category of HOA disputes, it is true that pre-suit mediation must be attempted. See FS 720.311 at http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html.

It's not clear that the disputes here fall into the categories given in 720.311.

Your "what if" is asking what recourse an owner (accused of doing something wrong) has, right, after having received a C&D letter from a prior board and the current board informs the owner that yes, the former C&D letter still applies.

The owner can do as the HOA asks.

The owner can ignore the C&D letter and expect either a second, firmer letter; a demand for mediation; a demand for arbitration (depending on the nature of the dispute); or if FS 720.311 does not apply, the filing of a lawsuit.

DonS20 (Florida)
Posts: 11
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Thanks ElleN (Idaho. 720.311 2(a) the first 5 sentences describe in part what the letter referred to. Especially official records and the enforcement committee. But it goes beyond that too. The board, often time doesn’t follow 720 and our docs. They don’t understand the hierarchy of documents.

Yes I know change the board . We are a relatively small HOA so everyone knows or at least recognizes others. That said associations across the US have a large problem getting homeowners to run. It’s like pulling teeth. I was on the Board for 5 years awhile ago. I didn’t run this year because of a medical issue that is now resolved.. But next year it might be time to step up again.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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I was speaking to our new property management company regional director about about this issue recently. We have a homeowner that is up for fining because they disregarded one of our architectural rules. The owner thinks they are going to be able to just pay a fine and not have further action. Our attorney suggests sending a cease and desist if they don't fix the issue after paying the fine. The PM director said he saw in one community the same situation (owner just wanted to pay the fine but continue with violation) but then the attorney called for mediation with the homeowner as required by statute. The issue is, the homeowner has to pay for the mediation. Not as costly as hiring an attorney, but still time and money to attend mediation.

It sounds like this issue is more about the original poster asking for things and gettng a cease and desist to stop, not a violation of the governing documents. But I wonder if the same applies - will he be responsible for the cost of the mediation if it comes to that?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 04/05/2023 11:49 AM
A cease and desist, not from the courts, is merely a scare tactic and should be treated as such.

I agree.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By LoriM15 on 04/06/2023 8:07 AM
The PM director said he saw in one community the same situation (owner just wanted to pay the fine but continue with violation) but then the attorney called for mediation with the homeowner as required by statute. The issue is, the homeowner has to pay for the mediation. Not as costly as hiring an attorney, but still time and money to attend mediation.

It sounds like this issue is more about the original poster asking for things and gettng a cease and desist to stop, not a violation of the governing documents. But I wonder if the same applies - will he be responsible for the cost of the mediation if it comes to that?
FS 720.311 seems clear to me: The parties share the costs of mediation equally, "nless otherwise agreed by the parties." Perhaps the HOA in question has a bylaw or covenant requiring the owner to pay the cost of mediation.

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