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CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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I currently live in a 55+ community that consists of 52 single family homes. I'm concerned that our HOA Board is not following all of the requirements for 55+ communities, which might jeopardize our 55+ status if it was challenged. They don't collect affidavits from residents or have any age verification procedures as stated in our CC&Rs and By Laws. The required re-survey every two years consists of an Occupancy Report that states the number of homes that are occupied, the number that are rentals, and the number that are not occupied, "thus meeting the occupancy requirements in the CC&Rs." They’ve never asked me for age verification documentation. I’ve emailed our HOA Board with my concerns and have asked for something in writing that shows we are in compliance. Their response:

*We use the informal surveyĀ method to track that we are in compliance with the 55+ community standard.
*Since you received a copy of the CC&R'sĀ when you purchased your home, and this is an over 55 community, you were aware of this requirement and we wouldn't need to survey you. We don't keep a separate file on each homeowner with their information.
*We are in compliance and are not in jeopardy of losing our 55+ status. At this time, the board will not be visiting this subject.Ā 
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Are there new rules that I’m not aware of where a 55+ community no longer needs to follow HOPA requirements and their related CC&Rs? Are there agencies that regulate HOPA communities to make sure they are in compliance? Or would someone need to file an official discrimination complaint before they would begin an inquiry?

I plan to speak with the HOA President in person, but I wanted to gather more information first. Thank you for any clarification on this issue.
MaxB4
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To file a complaint, use this link, https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/online-complaint#_Types_of_Complaints

I manage a 55+ community and send out age verification forms every two years to all units and require one filled out when a unit is sold.

The law still is applicable.
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Thanks so much for the response. It sounds like I've interpreted things correctly.
I do not plan to file an official complaint with HUD. I would likely be labeled a troublemaker in our community. Unfortunately, their lack of documentation might bite them in the butt eventually. Or maybe not.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 03/31/2023 8:20 PM
I do not plan to file an official complaint with HUD.
Unless you think the HOA is discriminating in violation of the Fair Housing Act (taking into account all sections of the Act, including the HOPA section), you would not have standing to result in HUD taking your complaint seriously. Instead the appropriate remedy would be to seek enforcement of those covenants that have certain age requirements. The courts call these covenants "contractual terms." If push comes to shove, one can go to court and seek enforcement of these contractual terms.

Otherwise, you are correct to be concerned about retaliation. A board, armed with a HOA attorney paid for by the owners, can make an owner's life miserable.
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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Thank you for your informative response.
I find it odd that if HOA Board members decide not to follow an official lawful act (HOPA) or their own CC&Rs or By Laws, there's little recourse. Going to court seems dangerous to all involved.
The solution is definitely beyond anything I can do.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 11:50 AM
Thank you for your informative response.
I find it odd that if HOA Board members decide not to follow an official lawful act (HOPA) or their own CC&Rs or By Laws, there's little recourse. Going to court seems dangerous to all involved.
The solution is definitely beyond anything I can do.
I think there is nothing wrong with a polite letter asking, in the most obsequious language possible, whether the HOA is complying with xyz in the law.

The question is whether what you think might be required by the law to ensure HOPA protections are in place is actually required by the law.

Have you compared what your HOA does to what other HOAs do? Google on this subject, you can turn up HOPA forms that other HOAs use.

Have you reviewed sites like the following to see if the HOA is complying with the law:
https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF?

If what the HOA is doing meets the requirements of the law, and someone is found to have lied on a survey, then those who are underage would not at all necessarily prevail in a suit claiming HOPA protections do not apply becaue the surveys were not done properly.

What has triggered your interest in this? Are you seeing younger people reside in homes who you think should not be?
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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Thanks, Ellen.
My main concern is the potential of losing our 55+ status, and I believe that's a real possibility if it was challenged. Before I sent my very nice email to our HOA Board asking for more information about this particular process, I did extensive research online, read the documentation that the HUD site provides, and called several local HUD and fair housing agencies for information. From what I found, obtaining and saving age verification documentation for each occupant is still part of the HOPA requirements, but our HOA Board apparently believes that is unnecessary. I included the Board's response to my email in my original post, which seemed dismissive. If we lose our 55+ status, I always have the option to move.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 1:15 PM
From what I found, obtaining and saving age verification documentation for each occupant is still part of the HOPA requirements, but our HOA Board apparently believes that is unnecessary.
Regarding what the law requires, here's what I know:

42 USC 3607 (b)
... Nor does any provision in this subchapter regarding familial status apply with respect to housing for older persons.
...
As used in this section, ā€œhousing for older personsā€ means housing—
...
(C)intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older, and—
(i)at least 80 percent of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older;

(ii)the housing facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent required under this subparagraph; and

(iii)the housing facility or community complies with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy, which shall—

(I)provide for verification by reliable surveys and affidavits; and

(II)include examples of the types of policies and procedures relevant to a determination of compliance with the requirement of clause (ii). Such surveys and affidavits shall be admissible in administrative and judicial proceedings for the purposes of such verification.

24 CFR 100.305 - 80 percent occupancy.
(a) In order for a housing facility or community to qualify as housing for older persons under § 100.304, at least 80 percent of its occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
[See rest at https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/24/100.305 ]

24 CFR 100.307 Verification of occupancy.
(a) In order for a housing facility or community to qualify as housing for persons 55 years of age or older, it must be able to produce, in response to a complaint filed under this title, verification of compliance with § 100.305 through reliable surveys and affidavits.
... [See rest at https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/24/100.307, checking for up-to-datedness]

If you reproduce exactly what the survey says, I can comment more about whether the HOA appears to be complying with the above. Feel free to attach the survey with HOA identifying info redacted, in PDF format. The size limit for attachments is 200 kbytes. You might have to break up the documents.

CjP2 (Idaho)
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Thank you. The information you sent looks familiar based on the research I did.
I'm not sure what you're asking for when you say "If you reproduce exactly what the survey says...." Even though our CC&Rs and By Laws state that occupants must be surveyed through affidavits just like the law requires, the HOA Board does not conduct any physical surveys. As I included in my original post, they told me they use the "informal survey method," whatever that is, and they don't keep occupant age records on file. When I asked how the required 2-year survey is developed and asked to review it, no response. That's all the information I have.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 1:47 PM
TEven though our CC&Rs and By Laws state that occupants must be surveyed through affidavits just like the law requires, the HOA Board does not conduct any physical surveys. As I included in my original post, they told me they use the "informal survey method," whatever that is, and they don't keep occupant age records on file. When I asked how the required 2-year survey is developed and asked to review it, no response. That's all the information I have.
Thank you for repeating some of what you already posted. I am getting the picture now.

I agree the signs are strong that the HOA is not compliant with HOPA requirements.

I hear you if you do not want to put a target on your back and do not want to get on the board to try to help ensure the HOA is compliant with HOPA. Should you want to go one step further, consider making a formal records request for a copy of the surveys as follows:

Dear HOA Manager,

Pursuant to Idaho Code 30-30-1101(5)(e), the HOA corporation is required to maintain in its principal office, "All written communications to members generally within the past seven (7) years."

Pursuant to Idaho Code 30-30-1102, please provide me a time within the next 30 days and a place when I may inspect a copy of all surveys sent to owners, in the last five years, designed to help ensure the HOA complies with federal HOPA requirements for 55+ communities. I am not an attorney, but I believe the relevant law and guidance from the Department of Housing and Urban Development is:

42 USC 3607 (b)

24 CFR 100.305 - 80 percent occupancy.

24 CFR 100.307 Verification of occupancy.

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

My proper purpose for reviewing these records is to help determine whether the HOA is in compliance with HOPA requirements, as promised by this HOA's advertising and covenants.

Sincerely,

name
address
email addie
phone number

Send this letter registered mail, return receipt requested, to the registered agent listed at the Idaho Secretary of State site, corporations section, under your HOA corporaton's name.

To see the sections of the Idaho statutes I cite above, see

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/Title30/T30CH30PT11/
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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I hate attorneys and those pretending they are attorneys.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 11:50 AM
I find it odd that if HOA Board members decide not to follow an official lawful act (HOPA) or their own CC&Rs or By Laws, there's little recourse.
Be aware that the courts take the position that you had notice of the contractual terms here before you bought. This means you were on notice that the only way to enforce these contractual terms is through demand letters (starting with polite, sugary sweet letters, and elevating to a full-on threat of a lawsuit) and then potentially, the courts.

England's courts have been enforcing contractual terms for hundreds of years. Same for United States courts.

Of course you are not alone in thinking this is odd. But this is more due to buyers of homes not paying attention to the terms of the sale. Part of those terms is that covenants "that run with the land" restrict the use of home lots. When a buyer completes the purchase, she has just agreed to comply with these covenants.

Some states do have "alternative dispute resolution" for situations like yours. Mediation is also frequently chosen (especially when a lawsuit is in progress and the judge sees how messy the two sides intend to make things, largely on the taxpayers' dollar).
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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Thanks again for your suggestions.

I included a link to the HUD PDF document in my email to them and included some relevant excerpts along with my concerns about potentially losing our 55+ status. As I already mentioned, part of their response was, "We are in compliance and not in jeopardy of losing our 55+ status. At this time, the board will not be visiting this subject." I heard the door slam.

Could you explain the purpose of sending the letter you suggested? Is it just for a legal trail? I'm pretty sure they can't produce any surveys and will most likely just ignore the request.
Are you suggesting that I send it to the HOA Board and also the Idaho Secretary of State office? Is that who manages HOA corporations for compliance? I checked, and there is no agent listed for our HOA.
What results should I expect after sending the letter?

It would definitely inflame the Board when they've already closed the subject on their part. I need to decide if I can deal with a big, fat, painful target on my back.
ElleN (Idaho)
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I hear you about your impression that the board does not want to discuss this further.

You asked: What results should you expect after sending the letter?

We already spoke of possible retaliation.

If you send the letter, the purpose and possible results would be (1) to nudge the board to consult its attorney and do the right thing, with regard to HOPA compliance; (2) yes, to start a paper trail of the exact legal steps you have taken to get the HOA to comply; and (3) to provide a shot across the bow that will do more than nudge the board and may result in the HOA attorney informing the board in no uncertain terms that they are not complying with HOPA; are violating the covenants; and are holding themselves out to a lawsuit in the near future from no less than two factions.

The two factions are: (a) those who want the covenant on age restrictions enforced and might sue to enforce it; and (2) those who now live in the HOA; do not like the age restrictions; and know the HOA is not complying with HOPA so they have a good shot at buying into the HOA and being allowed to stay, including if needed threatening suit if the HOA says the home's occupants have to leave on account of the age restriction.

Do you have any interest in running for the board, hopefully with people who feel as you do?

Do not send anything to the Idaho Secretary of State. The SoS has no authority on this subject.

If you send the letter, send it to either the HOA president or the manager, reg mail, return receipt requested.

But really, I get that you do not like rocking the boat (as they say). No big deal.

If you search this site for DavidG45 and HOPA, then you will see a couple of recent threads discussing the battles within a certain age-restricted sub-HOA.

What I have learned is that HOAs subject to HOPA have to have above average boards and managers. The surveying requirements are taxing at first, until they get used to it.

Don't survey, and people will take advantage of the lack of surveying and enforcement.
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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Thanks for the quick response.

The Board recently fired their attorney because of lack of response to our issues, so we currently don't have an attorney.

I've spoken with a couple of residents who simply don't care. They believe there are other ways to prove 55+ compliance (signing their purchase agreement), which I don't think is valid.

Running for the Board: Oddly, they don't hold elections. A nominating committee approaches people to volunteer for open positions. Making sure there are no opposing candidates, the volunteers are approved for their positions through acclamation. I had never heard of that process until moving here. After the latest exchange, I'm pretty sure they would never approach me for a board position.

At the very least, if I ever decide to sell my home, I have inside information that under 55 buyers are eligible to make offers!!

I will search this site for the threads you suggested.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 4:35 PM

The Board recently fired their attorney because of lack of response to our issues, so we currently don't have an attorney.

I've spoken with a couple of residents who simply don't care. They believe there are other ways to prove 55+ compliance (signing their purchase agreement), which I don't think is valid.

Running for the Board: Oddly, they don't hold elections. A nominating committee approaches people to volunteer for open positions. Making sure there are no opposing candidates, the volunteers are approved for their positions through acclamation. I had never heard of that process until moving here. After the latest exchange, I'm pretty sure they would never approach me for a board position.

At the very least, if I ever decide to sell my home, I have inside information that under 55 buyers are eligible to make offers!!
lol. Indeed.

I agree signing the purchase agreement does not meet the rather strict and detailed verification requirements.

If you want to learn whether the board is violating the bylaws for running elections, consider starting another thread.

Or stick around and see how others here deal wield the covenants and statutes to deal with board transgressions..
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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I manage a 55+ Senior community and almost half are owned by the children of the parent who reside there. The 55+ applies only to the persons residing in the units, not the owners.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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Thanks for that reminder, Max. You are right.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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Need your thoughts on this strategy. It might just be silly, TV BS that doesn't work in reality.

Once I wait for a reasonable amount of time, I have a Realtor friend who might be willing to pose as a representative of an unnamed "potential client" in our subdivision that is considering selling their home and wants to make sure the HOA is following all the rules for a 55+ community (leaving my name out of it altogether). Would it be reasonable for a Realtor to do a formal document request for their client related to HOPA compliance like you suggested I do? Too obvious?
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 04/01/2023 7:37 PM

Need your thoughts on this strategy. It might just be silly, TV BS that doesn't work in reality.

Once I wait for a reasonable amount of time, I have a Realtor friend who might be willing to pose as a representative of an unnamed "potential client" in our subdivision that is considering selling their home and wants to make sure the HOA is following all the rules for a 55+ community (leaving my name out of it altogether). Would it be reasonable for a Realtor to do a formal document request for their client related to HOPA compliance like you suggested I do? Too obvious?
In my opinion it would be reasonable for a realtor to make such a document request. However, the law I cited above (for records requests) will not apply.

The HOA can say no. Or maybe the board will scratch their collective head and ponder what they are doing. Maybe the board will turn over what the HOA has.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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CjP

If this is such a hot button for you, hire an attorney to write a letter for you rather then play games.
CjP2 (Idaho)
Posts: 33
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Thank you for the very stern advice, John. It's a concern rather than a hot button.
Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. I'm grateful for the guidance. I won't be pursuing this issue any further with our current HOA Board. I believe we've lost our 55+ status, and the Board will need to deal with that when the time comes.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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FOLLOW UP...

I finally decided to consult an attorney to help resolve the issue of our HOA failing to collect and maintain age verification documentation in our small 55+ community. My attorney wrote to the HOA agent citing several HUD regulations and Idaho laws the Board was violating. That finally got their attention. They realized they were in violation of HUD rules and immediately implemented an age verification process for all residents. They also sent copies of past biennial surveys I had requested from them earlier but refused to provide—documents I was legally entitled to all along. Problem #1 solved.

In return, I’ve already experienced Sophomoric retaliation efforts from Board members. I fully expect to get my house egged any day.

Problem #2: This whole process brought up yet another question that I hope someone can help clarify: Does our community require 100 percent or only 80 percent of dwellings to be occupied by at least one person 55 and over? I’ve received conflicting answers from the Board. I’m not asking for free legal advice here—just an experienced opinion if possible—but I totally understand if this issue is not appropriate for this Forum.

My attorney and I both interpreted our CC&Rs to mean that only 80 percent of dwellings must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or over. The two Board members who stopped at my house to gather age verification documentation from me also confirmed this. When I asked them if our community required 100 percent or 80 percent of homes be occupied by at least one person 55 or over, they both responded, ā€œ80 percent, to follow HOPA.ā€

As I’m sure many readers already know, according to HUD, a community can impose an age limitation more restrictive than required by HOPA—for example, requiring that 100 percent of homes be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older—as long as it meets HOPA’s ā€œat least 80 percentā€ requirement.

I’ve included excerpts from the following relevant documents below.
*Portions of the latest HOA age verification survey results
*Fair Housing Act section from our CC&Rs

AGE VERIFICATION SURVEY RESULTS
I finally received a copy of the most recent age verification survey results, and part of that document states the following:
ā€œIt is the intent of the HOA to claim the housing for older persons exemption stated in the Housing for Older Persons Act of 1995 (HOPA). As stated in the CC&Rs, subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act…all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older and no one under 18 years of age (55+ families).ā€ —end—

My argument:
—This statement is misleading and should be corrected. If the phrase ā€œall Dwelling Unitsā€ is to be interpreted as 100 percent, we do not need to have 100 percent of the homes occupied by at least one person 55 and older to be in compliance with the Fair Housing Act. That is simply an acceptable option that HUD allows.
—Previous survey reports stated, ā€œIn compliance with HOPA, [our HOA] requires that 100 percent of the occupied titled homes be occupied by a person 55 years of age or older.ā€ When my attorney asked the HOA about this statement, they referred him to the section of the CC&Rs below.

CC&R SECTION
ā€œThe Property shall be used for 'housing for older persons' as defined in Section 3607 of the Fair Housing Act (I.e., at least eighty percent [80%] of the occupied Dwelling Units occupied by at least one person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older). Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€ —end—

My argument/question:
Just like the survey report, this section is misleading and vague.
—If the phrase ā€œall Dwelling Unitsā€ is to be interpreted as 100 percent, the Fair Housing Act does not require 100 percent of homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 and over to be in compliance. Again, this is simply an acceptable option that HUD allows.
—Is this section clear enough to be interpreted as 100 percent of Dwelling Units rather than 80 percent? It wasn’t clear to me or to others.

Maybe all of the verbiage in the documents I’ve referenced is perfectly suitable and could easily hold up in any court. I just wish the statements were less vague. When I get ready to sell my home, the clarity of this information will be important for marketing purposes.

Thank you for spending the time wading through my lengthy post. I really appreciate any help or insights. Thank you.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 4:02 PM
CC&R SECTION
ā€œThe Property shall be used for 'housing for older persons' as defined in Section 3607 of the Fair Housing Act (I.e., at least eighty percent [80%] of the occupied Dwelling Units occupied by at least one person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older). Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€
Is this exactly, word-for-word what the covenant says?

I cannot tell if you added the parenthetical statement (meaning the statement that starts with "I.e., at least... ).
CjP2 (Idaho)
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The sentence I've included is the exact wording in our CC&Rs. I didn't change anything.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 4:02 PM

CC&R SECTION
ā€œThe Property shall be used for 'housing for older persons' as defined in Section 3607 of the Fair Housing Act (I.e., at least eighty percent [80%] of the occupied Dwelling Units occupied by at least one person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older). Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€ —end—
In my opinion this covenant is ambiguous.

It's possible a scrivener's error occurred. If you do not know what the latter is, google on it.

If a court were to agree that the covenant is ambiguous, then in general and nationwide, the rules of covenant interpretation require that the covenant be interpreted so as to err on the side of free enjoyment of property. This means that the lower percentage of 80% would apply.

I do not care about the commentary that came with the survey results. It's the covenants that are legally the most powerful by far here.

But also IMO, the goal should be not to go to court over this. Because one just does not know what a court would say and whether the ruling would have to be appealed, costing a hundred thousand dollars or more of attorney's fees for both sides.

I advise: Seek only enforcement of the 80% requirement.

Sorry about the harassment. HOA-land is frequently awful for anyone trying to get volunteer directors to just follow the law. And the HOPA law regarding surveys is highly important.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
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Posted By ElleN on 11/29/2023 4:44 PM
Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 4:02 PM

CC&R SECTION
ā€œThe Property shall be used for 'housing for older persons' as defined in Section 3607 of the Fair Housing Act (I.e., at least eighty percent [80%] of the occupied Dwelling Units occupied by at least one person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older). Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€ —end—
In my opinion this covenant is ambiguous.

It's possible a scrivener's error occurred. If you do not know what the latter is, google on it.

If a court were to agree that the covenant is ambiguous, then in general and nationwide, the rules of covenant interpretation require that the covenant be interpreted so as to err on the side of free enjoyment of property. This means that the lower percentage of 80% would apply.

I do not care about the commentary that came with the survey results. It's the covenants that are legally the most powerful by far here.

But also IMO, the goal should be not to go to court over this. Because one just does not know what a court would say and whether the ruling would have to be appealed, costing a hundred thousand dollars or more of attorney's fees for both sides.

I advise: Seek only enforcement of the 80% requirement.

Sorry about the harassment. HOA-land is frequently awful for anyone trying to get volunteer directors to just follow the law. And the HOPA law regarding surveys is highly important.


Honestly, I don’t think the wording is ambiguous. I think it can only be read to say 100% of homes must have at least one occupant age 55+. My guess is that the Board for years has misunderstood this in the same way they misunderstood their age survey requirements. But whoever wrote that paragraph intended that all homes meet the 55+ age requirement.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
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Posted By ElleN on 11/29/2023 4:44 PM
Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 4:02 PM

CC&R SECTION
ā€œThe Property shall be used for 'housing for older persons' as defined in Section 3607 of the Fair Housing Act (I.e., at least eighty percent [80%] of the occupied Dwelling Units occupied by at least one person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older). Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€ —end—
In my opinion this covenant is ambiguous.

It's possible a scrivener's error occurred. If you do not know what the latter is, google on it.

If a court were to agree that the covenant is ambiguous, then in general and nationwide, the rules of covenant interpretation require that the covenant be interpreted so as to err on the side of free enjoyment of property. This means that the lower percentage of 80% would apply.

I do not care about the commentary that came with the survey results. It's the covenants that are legally the most powerful by far here.

But also IMO, the goal should be not to go to court over this. Because one just does not know what a court would say and whether the ruling would have to be appealed, costing a hundred thousand dollars or more of attorney's fees for both sides.

I advise: Seek only enforcement of the 80% requirement.

Sorry about the harassment. HOA-land is frequently awful for anyone trying to get volunteer directors to just follow the law. And the HOPA law regarding surveys is highly important.


Honestly, I don’t think the wording is ambiguous. I think it can only be read to say 100% of homes must have at least one occupant age 55+. My guess is that the Board for years has misunderstood this in the same way they misunderstood their age survey requirements. But whoever wrote that paragraph intended that all homes meet the 55+ age requirement.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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Thank you for the responses. I think there's some general confusion between Board members about the 80 or 100 percent requirement.

If the original community intended for 100 percent of the homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 or over, is it sufficient to simply write that particular sentence/paragraph as it is? Or would the association need to go through some sort of formal process to deviate from the standard 80/20 percent requirement? For example, when the original CC&Rs were written, would it require a majority vote to implement that change? The document is very old.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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You're asking legal questions, and most of us are not lawyers (who wouldn't provide legal advice over the internet in any case).

Because the 55+ designation is an exemption from fair housing laws, and because these laws are unforgiving and the consequences serious if the laws are broken, it's important to get this right. Mess things up, and you'll lose your 55+ exemption.

You should run your questions past your association's attorney. This person would have to be involved anyway if you're going to be amending your governing documents, so it makes sense to verify that you're on the right track before you get started.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
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Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 8:18 PM
Thank you for the responses. I think there's some general confusion between Board members about the 80 or 100 percent requirement.

If the original community intended for 100 percent of the homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 or over, is it sufficient to simply write that particular sentence/paragraph as it is? Or would the association need to go through some sort of formal process to deviate from the standard 80/20 percent requirement? For example, when the original CC&Rs were written, would it require a majority vote to implement that change? The document is very old.

I have quite a bit of knowledge on this subject. The answer is that there is no special process to write covenants more strict than the minimum requirements for HOPA. Note the 80/20 is not a ā€œstandardā€, it is a ā€œminimum.ā€ A community could make their rule that every single resident must be at least 65 years old. So long as your minimum age is at least 55, and you require at least 80%, you satisfy HOPA requirements.

CjP2 (Idaho)
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Thank you for the responses.

Cathy, the seriousness of this issue is one of the things I literally had to force the Board to understand. If nothing else is resolved, I think I succeeded there. I don't understand your comment about amending our governing documents. Are you saying the section of our CC&Rs is unclear and needs to be clarified? Our HOA fired their attorney last year, and I don't think they've engaged a new one.

Thanks, David, for that information. I guess my question is: how does a community make their rules related to the percentage of homes over 55? If a community wants to deviate from the minimum, someone needs to make that decision before it's placed in writing; otherwise, I assume they would just follow the minimum requirement. If this is a legal question, I understand and won't expect a response.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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I wasn't sure if you were talking about an amendment or if you just wanted to change how you do things but the changes would not affect your governing documents. Either way, I don't know all of the in's and out's of managing 55+ communities or how much wiggle room you have to change what you've been doing.

I'll mention something our lawyers told us. They said that if we ever got a hint that a Fair Housing issue may be in play, we should contact their office for guidance. It's easy to get things wrong 0 and as you noticed, many board members are completely unaware of the association's obligations and how big a deal mistakes can be. Given how nitpicky this law is, I wouldn't assume that any proposed change would be OK without getting the lawyer's blessing first.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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I wasn't sure if you were talking about an amendment or if you just wanted to change how you do things but the changes would not affect your governing documents. Either way, I don't know all of the in's and out's of managing 55+ communities or how much wiggle room you have to change what you've been doing.

I'll mention something our lawyers told us. They said that if we ever got a hint that a Fair Housing issue may be in play, we should contact their office for guidance. It's easy to get things wrong 0 and as you noticed, many board members are completely unaware of the association's obligations and how big a deal mistakes can be. Given how nitpicky this law is, I wouldn't assume that any proposed change would be OK without getting the lawyer's blessing first.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By CjP2 on 11/29/2023 8:18 PM
Thank you for the responses. I think there's some general confusion between Board members about the 80 or 100 percent requirement.

If the original community intended for 100 percent of the homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 or over, is it sufficient to simply write that particular sentence/paragraph as it is?
Do you mean: If the intent was for 100% of homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 or over, was it sufficient to write what is currently in the covenants?

Having an "I.e." in a declaration is highly unusual. Words matter. Including the "I.e." statement murks things up IMO.

To me the problem is the foolishness of including in the covenant a reference to the 80% minimum that HOPA requires. Why do that? Anyone can look up HOPA and identify the 80% minimum. I continue to feel the "I.e." section adds ambiguity. It was stupid to include this IMO. But there it is.

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Or would the association need to go through some sort of formal process to deviate from the standard 80/20 percent requirement? For example, when the original CC&Rs were written, would it require a majority vote to implement that change? The document is very old.
I think you are asking about how to amend the Declaration. The answer to this is in the amendment section of the Declaration and state statutes.

I can understand how people (like DavidG45) feel the covenant is clear. I just think there's a goodly amount of legal room for some rascal attorney to say the number is 80%.

Is there any other section of the Declaration or Articles of Incorporation that speaks to all (100%) of homes being required to have at least one person who is 55 or older? If so, this would help.

Let's get down to brass tacks here: If HOA's percentage for homes with a resident 55+ is currently 90%, do you wish to sue? Or have your attorney send another letter?

Do you know how hard it is for a HOA, that has one way or another okayed a home with no residents 55+, to kick out the residents?
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Thank you for the responses.

Cathy, the seriousness of this issue is one of the things I literally had to force the Board to understand. If nothing else is resolved, I think I succeeded there. I don't understand your comment about amending our governing documents. Are you saying the section of our CC&Rs is unclear and needs to be clarified? Our HOA fired their attorney last year, and I don't think they've engaged a new one.

Thanks, David, for that information. I guess my question is: how does a community make their rules related to the percentage of homes over 55? If a community wants to deviate from the minimum, someone needs to make that decision before it's placed in writing; otherwise, I assume they would just follow the minimum requirement. If this is a legal question, I understand and won't expect a response.


I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. I can tell you what I see is your current situation:

Your current CC&R's establish age requirements and announce the intention to follow HOPA guidelines in order to establish an age-restricted community. My reading of the paragraph is that it requires 100% of your homes to have at least one occupant age 55 or over, and forbids any occupant under the age of 18 for more than three consecutive weeks. This all appears perfectly fine and in-line with HOPA requirements. You are a 55+ community and now you simply need to continue to follow HOPE requirements (age survey every two years, make sure marketing materials mention your age restrictions, etc.)

It's not like you establish a 55+ community, and by default it follow the 80/20 rule. That's not how it works. You establish the 55+ community by creating CC&Rs that meet the minimum requirements established by HOPA. If they are more strict that HOPA, that's fine.

CjP2 (Idaho)
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David, thank you for the clarification. That makes perfect sense now.

Ellen,
I wasn’t asking how to amend our CC&Rs, I was just confused Cathy’s comment, ā€œā€¦if you're going to be amending your governing documentsā€¦ā€

I had the exact same reaction to that I.e. section as you. All this time I thought that statement was providing the HOPA rules our community was following, ā€œthat is,ā€ at least 80 percent of homes must be 55 and over. To me, that meant 80 percent. But now I understand it could also be interpreted as a statement to simply establish the minimum requirements. It’s probably also good to include this information somewhere for new home owners who have never lived in a 55+ community before. This very important interpretation all seems to hinge on that tiny little phrase, ā€œall Dwelling Units.ā€ Like I stated in my original post, this whole section is misleading. I still contend that if the phrase ā€œall Dwelling Unitsā€ is to be interpreted as 100 percent, I believe that sentence is still incorrect since the Fair Housing Act does not require 100 percent of homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 and over to be in compliance.

I cannot find anywhere else in our governing documents that refers to 100 percent of homes being required to have at least one person 55 and older. I realize these documents don’t hold any weight, but the only other documents where this is stated is in previous Survey Reports: ā€œIn compliance with HOPA, [our HOA] requires that 100 percent of the occupied titled homes be occupied by a person 55 years of age or older.ā€ I thought it was very odd that the Board did not want me to see any of these reports. They refused to provide copies until they received my attorney’s letter. They’ve revised that statement in the most recent survey report and removed the ā€œ100 percentā€ phrase. It now just states the same thing as our CC&Rs, ā€œall Dwelling Units.ā€

I don’t plan to sue my neighbors or anyone else, and my budget for hiring attorneys was depleted long ago. If only the Board will cooperate (my expectations are low), my goal is to get clarification on this very important issue so I’ll know how to market my home when it’s time to sell. This is also beneficial to other homeowners, just like my efforts to get the age verification issue resolved. If the Board does not respond, maybe I’ll market my home to potential buyers under 55 and if someone under 55 buys, it can play out from there. I don’t know!

Thanks, everyone, for your insights.
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I had the exact same reaction to that I.e. section as you. All this time I thought that statement was providing the HOPA rules our community was following, ā€œthat is,ā€ at least 80 percent of homes must be 55 and over. To me, that meant 80 percent. But now I understand it could also be interpreted as a statement to simply establish the minimum requirements.
I agree that the authors' intention might have been merely to note the minimum requirements.

The problem AFAIC is that guessing at unwritten intentions is not how the courts work. The courts want to see intent as evidenced elsewhere in the actual declaration (or maybe the articles of incorporation or bylaws). If the courts cannot divine the intent from what is actually written down, they may very well such-and-such in the covenants is ambiguous and interpret the ambiguity in favor of property owners (per long-established precedent).
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I still contend that if the phrase ā€œall Dwelling Unitsā€ is to be interpreted as 100 percent, I believe that sentence is still incorrect since the Fair Housing Act does not require 100 percent of homes to be occupied by at least one person 55 and over to be in compliance.
I disagree. Suppose the covenant omitted the I.e. part and instead said only this:

Subject to compliance with the Fair Housing Act and any other applicable local, state or federal law, ordinance, rule or regulation, all Dwelling Units shall be occupied by at least one (1) person who is fifty-five (55) years of age or older and no Dwelling Unit shall be permanently occupied by any person who is under eighteen (18) years of age. Notwithstanding the foregoing, guests under eighteen (18) years of age may occupy Dwelling Units for a period not to exceed three (3) continuous weeks.ā€

Then all the first part is saying is that the various requirements of the FHA (which includes HOPA) have to be met. The 80% is one requirement, and a mere minimum requirement. There are other FHA/HOPA requirements.

In other words, to be clear, yes, a homeowners' association may lawfully have stricter age limits than what HOPA requires, as long as the various other requirements (surveys, et cetera) are met.

It sounds like your HOA's boards over the years have waffled on what they think the number (80% or 100%) is for your HOA. Which is not surprising, to me anyway. There's just enough ambiguity with that ridiculous "I.e." section.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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All excellent points. It will be my main goal to convince the Board to clarify that entire section and make sure our policy is clearly defined: Either 100 percent or 80 percent occupancy.
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All excellent points. It will be my main goal to convince the Board to clarify that entire section and make sure our policy is clearly defined: Either 100 percent or 80 percent occupancy.
Please understand: It's not up to the board to "clarify" that section. They have no more ability to interpret the wording of the covenant correctly than DavidG45, yourself, or myself. Like all three of us, they have an opinion on what they think the covenant is saying, and that's it.

What you can do is lobby for an owners vote to get rid of the ambiguity (at least, what I consider an ambiguity) and amend this covenant to be more clear.
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All excellent points. It will be my main goal to convince the Board to clarify that entire section and make sure our policy is clearly defined: Either 100 percent or 80 percent occupancy.


It sounds as if you've already scored a big win, in getting the board to realize they have not been conducting the proper age survey.

I am curious, are there currently any homes with no 55+ resident? Are there any homes with children under the age of 18?
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I finally decided to consult an attorney to help resolve the issue of our HOA failing to collect and maintain age verification documentation in our small 55+ community. My attorney wrote to the HOA agent citing several HUD regulations and Idaho laws the Board was violating. That finally got their attention. They realized they were in violation of HUD rules and immediately implemented an age verification process for all residents. They also sent copies of past biennial surveys I had requested from them earlier but refused to provide—documents I was legally entitled to all along.
I think I forgot to say, "Good job." You did a great service for your fellow owners. You may very well have thwarted the possibility of someone suing, claiming age restrictions were not allowed, period, because the HOA was not doing the surveys and so not complying with HOPA. You may have thwarted the age restrictions being thrown out by a court. What a big deal this would have been.

I remain sorry the chuckleheads on your board are retaliating. They have no idea of how you saved the HOA, IMO.

CjP2 (Idaho)
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Thanks, Ellen. That's an excellent point about the Board not being qualified to interpret things. I guess it would be just another opinion. I'll approach it from other homeowners instead and see what happens. Maybe no one else cares.

THANK YOU BOTH for recognizing the importance of my efforts on the age verification process. It was an expensive one! Before I hired my attorney, I actually approached a few other homeowners about the issue, and no one seemed to think it was important (head-in-the-sand scenario), so I had to tackle it on my own. I agree that I could have prevented the HOA Board and possibly individual board members from getting sued. I had emailed them all the HOPA regulations, so they were aware of the requirements. They would have been in trouble by knowingly ignoring Federal law. I could also have chosen to simply ignore the issue, and the community would have eventually lost their 55+ status. I selfishly didn't want a bunch of teenagers moving in next door to me, so I won too.

Thanks again for all your help.
CjP2 (Idaho)
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David, I forgot to answer your questions.
As stated in the most recent survey from October 20, 2023, all homes have at least one occupant who is 55 and over. There are no children under 18 in any homes.
There are a couple of homes for sale. I'm not sure how they're being marketed.

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