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BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:

Our townhome community has a beautiful front entrance with signs on both sides of the road. The entrance signs and surrounding area have standard lights now, but they are old, failing, and in need of replacement. We do not have adequate sunlight for a solar option. We have started researching low voltage LED landscape lighting. Because its only 12v being used to power each fixture, the installation legalities that would otherwise require a professional electrician, don’t apply. This makes the entire project more attractive from a cost point of view (we think). I understand the low voltage lights are better for fire safety.

I'd like to know if others have contracted with an outdoor landscaping light specialist and can offer their experience with this type of lighting and service contracts?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why do you think you don't need a professional Electrician to install this? Your HOA should always hire a licensed and insured contractor to do work. If something was to happen your HOA/neighbors are protected.

Not sure how much you know about electricity. For a "12 Volt" set up to work, it still has to be plugged into a 120V source or "House power". There would be a "step down" transformer in the circuit to change it to 12 Volt. Things like this could be as simple as "plug and play" if you have an outlook nearby. If you don't then have to add an outdoor power source. Which would require a proper Ground Fault Circuit to prevent electrocution in wet conditions. This set up may come in handy if your HOA wants to add a flag pole in same area. A flag has to have a light on it at night to fly. If not, it has to be taken in/out when sun goes up/down.

I would not install this without a professional electrician or company. Your asking for trouble otherwise.

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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 200
Posted:
Brenda,

I would recommend hiring a landscape architect to draw up a lighting plan, who will then give the plan to a landscaper contractor to install it.

Yes, what you are talking about is reasonable. A landscape architect and landscape contractor will bring your idea to life with minimum time commitment from you or other Board members.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Melissa,

Thank you for your response. See below for low voltage contractors in NC:

North Carolina: Low voltage contractors in North Carolina must be licensed by the state’s Licensing Board for General Contractors. To obtain a license, contractors must have four years of experience in the electrical trade and pass an exam.

We have an outdoor power source. Interesting comment about the flagpole, I did not know that.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Brenda

You should be prepared for a professional to include replacing most if not all of the existing electrical hardware where the existing outlet is located and possibly the circuit breaker itself and the box in which it is located.

Since the professional will be responsible for the functionality of the new landscape lighting, he or she is not going to wish to rely on equipment which is . . . How old?

Also, engaging a good designer will provide the opportunity for suggestions you may not have thought of. A client replaced a 30 year old system a year ago, the designer made a number of suggestions, most of which were accepted by the Board.

It would be best if you did not leave this to a group of volunteers and big-box store lighting equipment.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
IDK what you consider lack of sunlight, I know a ham radio operators that have a 100W panel and a 20amp battery and they power a radio that uses
about 1 amp that runs all day and night just off the solar panel and battery.

I am seeing my fair share of communities here in Vegas that have anywhere between 25-50 Watt panels and likely 10amp batteries as a backup to run their
gates. I am also seeing them use anemometers to open the gates when the winds become excessive.

It is very doable for your situation to run low voltage lighting with a solar panel. And yes, it is likely and beneficial to hire a licensed electrician
to run low voltage wire. it may be required by law like it is here in Nevada.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Michael,

Thanks for your suggestion. This seems like a small project for a landscape architect to take on. It's really just lighting the entrance signs and a little extra area around it. The landscape lighting contractor I've consulted with designs and installs commercial grade low voltage LED lighting systems. He has a nice portfolio. I'm just trying to learn more about the low voltage light products and maintenance needs vs standard voltage lighting and stay within a reasonable budget.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Hi Brenda,

You are wise to consult with a professional and I cannot recommend going "cheap" on entrance lighting for your community entrances. The wear and tear seems much different than lighting we'd install in our own homes.

That said, I'm in the Raleigh market and we had entrance lighting installed in late 2021. You're going to need a power meter installed at the sign area if you don't have electric service there already, but looking at my old invoice....

We paid approximately $5,000 for 16 LED lights, pro-installed with the installation of electric service (they install the electric plugs, timers for the lights, etc). Because our signage is on both sides of the entrance AND we have landscaping median that features crepe myrtles, we installed lighting in the median as well. That required "boring" under the street for $1,700.

We were about $6,700 for fulfill the lighting planner's advice for that entrance. Honestly, the light fixture count drove the price....you can remove or add fixtures.

HOWEVER,

If you don't have a meter installed at that entrance, you'll be required to get one and that's a separate expense from the power company, which will have some coordination with the lighting company. That's several hundred more dollars. In our case, we needed to install one meter at our third entrance but the transformer on the pole couldn't accommodate it so we had to buy the transformer ($2,500). That was a new one on us.

We covered all three entrances, both sides of the street, for $22,500 - a lot of money but our area of town is in a rapidly growing area, we're an "older" community and the delaying the project in order to build savings and a plan were well worth it. Yes, you can install garden lights and save money. Your mileage may vary on plastic lights. We went top shelf but our HOA board would rather save a while and then proceed.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
KellyM3 that advice is really good. I think people forget the "Devil is in the details". What sounds simple gets complicated and expensive quick.

It should be noted I am an Electrician but not a practicing one. The cheap and dirty of it that installing solar power landscaping lights is your overall cheapest option. They don't always last that long and need access to a few hours of light. Otherwise if there isn't an existing power source your options are what you stated. Putting in a meter and a GFI circuit. Which are not cheap...

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BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Hi Kelly,

Thanks for the very informative response. We already have a meter installed for the sign lighting. We pay approximately $36.00/mo. for the meter ($21.00 for basic charge plus $7.40 renewable energy rider plus energy charge & taxes). Issue now is an identified electric short under the road between the signs. So, lights don't work at all on one side of the road, and the other side has older lights with some broken water seals in need of replacement. One estimate for boring and running new circuit with conduit was about $4,700.00. (Apparently, the original builder didn't use conduit). The boring job may require that we remove a tree. Yikes! Haven't priced or decided on the quantity of new LED lights yet. Price tag is looking high. Started looking at low voltage landscape lighting as a less expensive option after learning about it from other HOAs. Also looked into solar.

Do you have a service contract or warranty for the lights at the three entrances? Trying to estimate future annual budget for the meter and service contract.

I like your idea of delaying to plan well and build savings. We do want to do this right.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
It looks like our bulbs have a three-year manufacturer's warranty and the installation was covered by a 12-month warranty, which we found reasonable given the location of the lighting (making it attractive to mischief).

If the $4,700 price tag for reboring is coming from your landscape lighting consultant, then build off that quote and tell him/her what your board would feel comfortable doing in terms of dollars invested. We had low voltage lighting installed for several years to light the center of our signs and upgraded because it was clear residents would like a more-comprehensive lighting scheme.

Either way, lighting is lighting......go for quality, no matter what.

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