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ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
The private residence addition across the street---a "normal" city street...nothing special...is massive. The plans which i acquired, and the actually building, are massively different. There are many Covenant Violations, but one of the very first is this:

Our Covenants state that "Contiguous" homeowners must approve and Sign Off on any proposed "changes" to an existing house. While i surreptitiously acquired a copy of the original plans, i was never consulted by the HOA and never shown the apparently final plans.

As a neighbor directly across the street from the addition, am i considered "Contiguous"? Logic would dictate to me that i am, but there is a street between us so "technically" our properties do not touch.

Does anyone have any experience on how this issue is interpreted?

TIA
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Found this in a Google Search

"Contiguous lots are pieces of real estate that are in contact with or adjacent to each other. These lots share a common boundary, so parcels of land separated by a public street or other lots are not considered contiguous, even if they are owned by the same entity or person."

This is from OpenAI.com
"Contiguous lots are adjacent lots that are located next to each other and share a common boundary line. They may be owned by different people, but they are usually combined to create a larger parcel of land"
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Val

If the house is violating architectural restrictions you have the right to file a complaint with the BOD be your lot contiguous or not.
ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
Thanks James...i also saw this regarding "Adjacent" Properties: Adjacent Properties means the dwelling units located to the sides, rear, front, including across the street, above and below... I interpret our Covenants to mean that if you are going to be doing "something" which affects your neighbors you need to get your neighbor's agreement. In "legal" parlance, contiguous probably does not mean across the street, although it would be the practical consideration.

I am waiting to see if anyone has experienced a similar situation and how the Courts (if it got that far) interpreted it.

As regards the multiple violations, as usual in an HOA, there are many "ins" and "outs" and in this case, there are so many violations but a Board that is less interested in enforcing covenants than being "good, folksy neighbors". I am in Tennessee if you know what i mean. The subject property is a doctor, and they have special privileges (untouchable) in the local pecking order.

Personally, we all put our trousers on one leg at a time are therefore all equal.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Val, around 2020 a Tennesse Court of appeals court quoted Black's Law dictionary as defining "contiguous" as follows: Black’s Law Dictionary defines ā€œcontiguousā€ as ā€œtouching at a point or along a boundary; adjoining.ā€ See https://law.justia.com/cases/tennessee/court-of-appeals/2020/m2018-01529-coa-r3-cv.html

A 1984 Tennessee appeals court similarly relied on Black's law dictionary for a definition of adjacent: "On the issue of standing, defendants argue, relying on Black's Law Dictionary, that "adjacent" does not necessarily mean the properties abut;" See https://law.justia.com/cases/tennessee/court-of-appeals/1984/679-s-w-2d-450-1.html

I echo JohnC46's point that normally, covenants allow any individual owner to make a demand on a neighbor who is violating the covenants and subsequently as needed, take the neighbor to court. Such a demand would take the form of a letter sent certified mail, return receipt requested as follows:

Dear Neighbor Jones,

I believe your lot is in violation of covenants ___, ____, and ____. These violations are due to your __________. I understand covenants are contractual terms. All owners who bought into this HOA have a legal obligation to comply with these contractual terms. The courts do enforce contractual terms. Please contact me to discuss how to remedy this situation.

Sincerely,

ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
Thank you all who helped me get sorted out.

I did speak with one of the original writers of our updated covenants and he affirmed to me, with near astonishment that i "knew" the definition, at least for Covenant purposes, that relevant properties can be considered to be contiguous/adjacent even if they are physically separated by a public road, a public right of way, or a utility easement.

And that was/is the exact spirit and definition which the writers considered in using said language to ensure that a property owner who might be infringed upon by an adjacent property change (i.e., addition, trees, etc.) would need to sign off on the exception to the covenants which the Board was considering.

Appreciate the input and the legal sites.

VK
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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The most important purpose of hiring an attorney is to eliminate self-bias.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
I agree with ElleN regarding obtaining legal advice--from an attorney who specializes in real estate, boundaries, easements, and the definitions found in that world.

My professional career was in telecommunications. In no way shape or form was a property considered contiguous to another if it did not have at least one common boundary point. Our industry did not use the word adjacent when determining if properties were contiguous.

As an example, a subscriber (customer of a telecommunications utility) owned two parcels of land separated by a railroad right-of-way. The parcels were contiguous to the RR RoW but not to each other.

Further, a utility easement is always, or almost always, across a parcel of land, generally privately owned but I suppose land owned by a political entity (city, county, etc.) could also have a utility easement. I cannot think of a scenario in which a utility easement has any bearing on the definition of a contiguous parcel of land.

I think you should get this nailed down in "black letter law" if possible as I see very bumpy roads in the future for someone. I am very wary that the "intent" of the person who was involved in writing the updates to the covenants will withstand judicial scrutiny should it come to that.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I agree the "intent" mentioned above counts for nothing, and black letter law counts for everything.

If a "plain reading" of a covenant does not bring clarity, then the courts next examine all of the Declaration of CC&Rs to see if the totality of the words reveals more about what the covenant is supposed to mean. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does not. Here the meaning of "contiguous" is clear. If the author meant to require an owner to obtain approval of houses across the street for such-and-such architectural change, the author should have expressly said as much.

Best practices is for contracts to be in writing. This is because written contracts force all to be literally on the same page. This goes the same for "intentions." If the intentions are not discernible from the written text itself, then the intentions have no value.
ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
It's been a while, but i thought i would update, especially for those who helped me to understand the meaning of "contiguous".

The building went ahead, except that it is about TEN feet taller at the peak of the roof (taller than even the rest of the multiple peaked house). It was fairly obvious, but when i brought it to the attention of the President of the HOA, he was "thankful" for the "information" and the Board proceeded to stop the project.

Now it is one of those "the builder built what the architect drew, and the architect drew what the homeowner wanted", and approved. Once again, to hell with what the HOA approved (by the way, this is what happens when an HOA does not enforce the little things, which seem petty, but set the tone that compliance is demanded/expected, such that when a "big" issue comes along, people go ahead just knowing that the HOA is going to fold).

So, everyone is pointing fingers and nothing has been done for the past six weeks. One local engineer suggested taking ten feet out of the foundation to bring the peak down! I never thought of that one, and am anxious to see what sort of cob-job they all come up with to bring the building back into compliance.

Stay tuned.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By ValK2 on 04/12/2023 10:31 AM
It's been a while, but i thought i would update, especially for those who helped me to understand the meaning of "contiguous".

The building went ahead, except that it is about TEN feet taller at the peak of the roof (taller than even the rest of the multiple peaked house). It was fairly obvious, but when i brought it to the attention of the President of the HOA, he was "thankful" for the "information" and the Board proceeded to stop the project.

Now it is one of those "the builder built what the architect drew, and the architect drew what the homeowner wanted", and approved. Once again, to hell with what the HOA approved (by the way, this is what happens when an HOA does not enforce the little things, which seem petty, but set the tone that compliance is demanded/expected, such that when a "big" issue comes along, people go ahead just knowing that the HOA is going to fold).

So, everyone is pointing fingers and nothing has been done for the past six weeks. One local engineer suggested taking ten feet out of the foundation to bring the peak down! I never thought of that one, and am anxious to see what sort of cob-job they all come up with to bring the building back into compliance.

Stay tuned.

If the project has been stopped, it sounds like you had some success!

Not to be contrary, but ā€œcontiguousā€ is one of those words that many people ā€œjust know what it meansā€ - but then they are surprised to discover they were wrong. Offhand, I’d probably say it means ā€œA is contiguous with B if there’s nothing separating A and Bā€. Which is (more or less) how Photoshop defines it. And I think that in most math and computer stuff, it’s explicitly defined somewhere. I’d never assume ā€˜contiguous’ means ā€˜continuous’ in calculus, for example. I’m inclined to think your Bylaws should have defined the term. Whether this was a simple mistake or a deliberate attempt to Weasel Word it - I have no idea. But it’s not completely outrageous that someone interpreted the street as a separation between two properties located across the street from one another. What kind of street is it? How wide? There are streets in Austin that are 100+ feet wide. Oh - does the text actually use the word ā€œhouseā€?

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
Just for another update....

After seven weeks the Board and the Homeowner came to some sort of agreement. The original roof was torn off, the trusses removed, and a new set of trusses installed and the roof relayed.

The new roof is three feet too tall per the new plans (it looks silly because it intersects with the existing roof at a "T", but it is three feet higher!) and that seems to be "okay" with the ACC and the Board.

The Board is tired of hearing from me and when i asked that the three clowns on the ACC (who got caught having a belly laugh in a twitter conversation over the covenant violations) resign , the HOA President (who has been supportive) just lost it.

At least now we know the "who" is behind the gross non-compliance, but we don't know why. As I believe all things eventually come out in the wash, time will tell who has pictures of whom during lord only knows what.

Thanks for all of the help from this Board. We have a lists of nearly a dozen covenant violations and one by one we will get them before the Board. Which board that will be becomes another matter !
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By ValK2 on 04/27/2023 9:59 AM
Just for another update....

After seven weeks the Board and the Homeowner came to some sort of agreement. The original roof was torn off, the trusses removed, and a new set of trusses installed and the roof relayed.

The new roof is three feet too tall per the new plans (it looks silly because it intersects with the existing roof at a "T", but it is three feet higher!) and that seems to be "okay" with the ACC and the Board.

The Board is tired of hearing from me and when i asked that the three clowns on the ACC (who got caught having a belly laugh in a twitter conversation over the covenant violations) resign , the HOA President (who has been supportive) just lost it.

At least now we know the "who" is behind the gross non-compliance, but we don't know why. As I believe all things eventually come out in the wash, time will tell who has pictures of whom during lord only knows what.

Thanks for all of the help from this Board. We have a lists of nearly a dozen covenant violations and one by one we will get them before the Board. Which board that will be becomes another matter !

Love thy neighbor. by reporting them to HOA and making them pay thousands to replace custom made trusses with shorter ones. And then still not being satisfied and complaining that it's 3 feet too tall? I would be sooo embarrassed to even admit to this type of behavior, but others proudly type it all out for every one to read.

I suggest you volunteer for the ARC. with your architectural skills you can spot any issues ahead of time.

vis ta vie
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Quote:
Posted By ValK2 on 04/27/2023 9:59 AM
Just for another update....

After seven weeks the Board and the Homeowner came to some sort of agreement. The original roof was torn off, the trusses removed, and a new set of trusses installed and the roof relayed.

The new roof is three feet too tall per the new plans (it looks silly because it intersects with the existing roof at a "T", but it is three feet higher!) and that seems to be "okay" with the ACC and the Board.

The Board is tired of hearing from me and when i asked that the three clowns on the ACC (who got caught having a belly laugh in a twitter conversation over the covenant violations) resign , the HOA President (who has been supportive) just lost it.

At least now we know the "who" is behind the gross non-compliance, but we don't know why. As I believe all things eventually come out in the wash, time will tell who has pictures of whom during lord only knows what.

Thanks for all of the help from this Board. We have a lists of nearly a dozen covenant violations and one by one we will get them before the Board. Which board that will be becomes another matter !

Love thy neighbor. by reporting them to HOA and making them pay thousands to replace custom made trusses with shorter ones. And then still not being satisfied and complaining that it's 3 feet too tall? I would be sooo embarrassed to even admit to this type of behavior, but others proudly type it all out for every one to read.

I suggest you volunteer for the ARC. with your architectural skills you can spot any issues ahead of time.

vis ta vie
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By WendyM5 on 04/28/2023 3:00 AM
Love thy neighbor. by reporting them to HOA and making them pay thousands to replace custom made trusses with shorter ones. And then still not being satisfied and complaining that it's 3 feet too tall? I would be sooo embarrassed to even admit to this type of behavior, but others proudly type it all out for every one to read.
I get it: You think the covenants are not a contract.

But they are.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By ElleN on 04/28/2023 7:46 AM
Posted By WendyM5 on 04/28/2023 3:00 AM
Love thy neighbor. by reporting them to HOA and making them pay thousands to replace custom made trusses with shorter ones. And then still not being satisfied and complaining that it's 3 feet too tall? I would be sooo embarrassed to even admit to this type of behavior, but others proudly type it all out for every one to read.
I get it: You think the covenants are not a contract.

But they are.

I'm with Wendy. There's something else going on. I don't think we're being told the complete story. It's a doctor's office in Tennessee? Is there some birth-control aspect of this? Not sure I even wanna know. But it seems like the OP is putting way lots of time and energy into this.

Oh - re the original ask, about the meaning of the word 'contiguous': after my original response (above), I asked my wife "so, is our property contiguous with the Smith's across the street?" and she said "of course not". She has much experience with GIS systems, which may have influenced her response. But I think that if you're out chatting with a neighbor on the front porch and you ask them, they'll probably look at the street, look at the house across the street, and say "no".

Also: a case based on "you didn't properly inform me because you don't know the meaning of the word 'contiguous'" is a rather thin case IMHO.

Bill

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€

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