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JohnS111 (New York)
Posts: 228
Posted:
I own a rental property in a multifamily building, and whenever anything is needed from the property manager, if the property manager can charge a fee, the property manager requires two checks: one written to the property management company and another check written to the property management company's CEO. For example, when I submitted a repair request that involved a fee, I was told to give two checks: one to "Smith Real Property Management, Inc." and one to "John Smith" individually.

This seemed shady, so I asked the board about it. The board said that the property management agreement allowed the property manager to increase or add fees at any time, and that the board has no control over those fees.

That seemed ridiculous. Is it standard for property managers to require payments to be made to an individual who works at the property management firm in addition to payments to the HOA or the property management firm? And is it standard for HOA boards to let property managers charge whatever they want, payable to whomever they want?

I would think that the property management firm would need to get its fee schedule approved by the HOA board in advance.

The state is NY, and I know that a lot of shady practices go on with NY real estate, but this just seems brazen.

Thanks.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Please pursue this issue, since it is so unusual to do this. The CEO is an employee of the management company so let their finance people pay the CEO. The Board needs to solve this issue and not just say this is just the ways it is. The management company works for the Board.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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It sounds weird, but you need to take a look at the contract itself - actually, your lawyer should have a look. If it allows the manager to increase fees at any time, that may be referring to services outside the usual terms of the contract. As a homeowner, you should be entitled to review certain association documents, so make your request in writing - double-check your documents (the Bylaws and CCRs) to be certain.

That said, this contract is between the association and the property manager, not individual homeowners. It's true that the board can't control what the manager charges - it approves the contract enabling the property manager to provide services and if they have concerns about the costs, they either negotiate something or find another property manager.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You're saying that the firm that manages your HOA--a community management company, also handles repairs inside of your condo unit? It handles repairs, etc. the the common areas and also will fix, for ex., the ceiling fan in your unit's bathroom?

I writing, request a copy of the contract.

Is you association a coop by any chance?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
There are management companies that manage condos and HOAs as well as rental. What an eye opener.
JohnS111 (New York)
Posts: 228
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/20/2023 9:12 AM
You're saying that the firm that manages your HOA--a community management company, also handles repairs inside of your condo unit? It handles repairs, etc. the the common areas and also will fix, for ex., the ceiling fan in your unit's bathroom?

I writing, request a copy of the contract.

Is you association a coop by any chance?

Thanks. Yes, it's a coop. And yes, the board and superintendent have delegated repairs to the property manager ("managing agent") who charges all sorts of fees. I am pretty sure that the superintendent gets a kickback from the property manager when repairs are done.

Fortunately I don't live there.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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What is a "superintendent?" Are they an onsite community manager? Is the superintendent somehow on the Board of Directors?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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What is a "superintendent?" Are they an onsite community manager? Is the superintendent somehow on the Board of Directors?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Do you pay the CEO over $600 in a year?

If you do, ask for a social security number and issue a 1099-misc to the CEO.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/20/2023 12:34 PM
What is a "superintendent?" Are they an onsite community manager? Is the superintendent somehow on the Board of Directors?

Typically a Superintendent is an onsite building manager (who may live in the building). Typically they oversee building maintenance. Sometimes they may do some maintenance themselves but in other cases, they oversee those that do.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
The board should not have given up the repair decisions to the management company. It is the boards' responsibility with the assistance of the management company to determine maintenance.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, JohnC, I and think most ppl. are familiar with your meaning. I'm not sure who JohnS' "superintendent" works for and why they have decision-making authority for the HOA.
JohnS111 (New York)
Posts: 228
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/20/2023 1:04 PM
Do you pay the CEO over $600 in a year?

If you do, ask for a social security number and issue a 1099-misc to the CEO.

I hadn’t thought of that. That’s a great idea!

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