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RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
My HOA here in Texas put together an anonymous nomination committee. 4 eligible candidates submitted their names but they refused to put 1 of them on the ballot and will not give a reason. We are a restricted covenant subdivision , a nonprofit corporation, with over 200 l homeowners. I don’t understand why they think Chapter 209 of the Texas Residential Homeowners Protect Act, Section 209.00593, doesn’t apply to our Subdivision. They won’t even respond to the question and dozens of people have asked.  Section 209.00593 states that all those eligible candidates who submit their names will be put on the ballot. What do you think?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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RodgerF, is it possible the candidate "was convicted of a felony or crime involving moral turpitude not more than 20 years" ago? If so, TPC 209.00591(b) prohibits the candidate from serving on the board, and I can understand the board's position here, including a non-response. Privacy concerns could open up a legal can of worms.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By ElleN on 02/12/2023 11:24 AM
RodgerF, is it possible the candidate "was convicted of a felony or crime involving moral turpitude not more than 20 years" ago? If so, TPC 209.00591(b) prohibits the candidate from serving on the board, and I can understand the board's position here, including a non-response. Privacy concerns could open up a legal can of worms.

ALL 4 that had submitted nomination forms. Highly unlikely.
MaxB4
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Posted By MaxB4 on 02/12/2023 11:28 AM
Posted By ElleN on 02/12/2023 11:24 AM
RodgerF, is it possible the candidate "was convicted of a felony or crime involving moral turpitude not more than 20 years" ago? If so, TPC 209.00591(b) prohibits the candidate from serving on the board, and I can understand the board's position here, including a non-response. Privacy concerns could open up a legal can of worms.


ALL 4 that had submitted nomination forms. Highly unlikely.

Rescind
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
No, he served 28 years in the Air Force and several years as a Department of Defense employee on base.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
YES all 4 submitted the form that was sent to run for the Board Of Directors
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By RodgerF on 02/12/2023 11:40 AM
No, he served 28 years in the Air Force and several years as a Department of Defense employee on base.
I am not sure this proves anything. Regardless, it's up to this disqualified candidate to ask the board, in a polite, formal to-the-point, just-the-facts letter, if they disqualified him on account of TPC 209.00591 and/or to please explain. If the board still will not respond, he's stuck lawyering up. Lawyering up will likely get a response from the Board or the HOA attorney. Cost would be anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars in attorney fees, which he will never get back.

You owners can help pay for his lawyer, but otherwise, I believe only he has standing to challenge the board legally on this.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm curious about this "anonymous" Nomination Committee. What do your Bylaws say about this Committee? Is it required in your HOA, Roger?

Boards appoint committees. I believe TX is an open meeting state. If so, the Committee members are required to appointed at an open meeting of the board, yes? Lotsa knowledgeable TX poster here can help.

If you know the man who wants to be a candidate, ask him point blank if there's anything that disqualifies him. If not, imo, you owners & his neighbors should stand up for him and not force him to fight this seeming refusal to follow statute all alone. Look at it this way, there may be future situations where your apprarently
sleazy board will make other secret or weird decisions. Would you want to comfort this Board alone?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Nominating Committees are mandatory in a number of HOAs across the country and their makeup is generally all Board members.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I am asking Roger about his, Max. Ours were mandatory, but no longer exist. They were chaired by a board member and the other members were owners. The members were never a secret.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Here is language from a Nominating Committee in Texas....

4.2 NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF BOARD MEMBERS. Each Director shall be elected for a term of three years.

4.2.1 NOMINATING COMMITTEE At least ninety (90) days before the annual meeting, the HOA President shall appoint a nominating committee of five Members, only two of whom may be Directors. This committee shall, not less than sixty (60) days before the annual meeting, nominate a slate for election as Directors to serve for the ensuing three years. This slate shall be posted on the Club bulletin Boards, recorded in the Board of Directors’ minutes, and mailed to the Members at least thirty (30) days prior to the closing of the ballot box. The candidates elected will serve in a dual capacity of governance over XXX Club and XXX Homeowners Association. The committee shall use its best efforts to nominate no less than five Members to fill the expiring Director positions.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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While I think nomination committees are out of date and not needed, especially if nominations from the floor are allowed, at best their function should be to assure one is eligible to run such as a member in good standing. Otherwise no way should they be able to reject a candidate.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
The Bylaws state they can do it. BUT the bylaws were written 2009. In 2015 our Legislature passed a statutes called, “ The Texas Residential Home Owners Protection Act”. They changed to law to require that all eligible candidates who turn in request to run be put on the ballot. The only exception is if that person is a felon. He is not a felon. He served 28 years and still serving at DOD for goodness sake. Our State Statute trumps anything written the Bylaw. That bylaw is obsolete. The law says if they put all of those who requested to be ballot, on the ballot, the election is void. That’s our law. They only 3 out of 4 requesters on a ballot. The ballots will counted and the winners will be announced at the annual meeting.

Here is the 2009 bylaw:

ARTICLE V.
NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF DIRECTORS
Section 5.1 Nomination. Nomination for election to the Board of Directors shall be made by a Nominating Committee. Nominations may also be made from the floor at the annual meeting. The Nominating Committee shall consist of a Chairman, who shall be a member of the Board of Directors, and one or more Members of the Association. The Nominating Committee shall be appointed by the Board of Directors prior to each annual meeting ofthe Members to serve from the close of such annual meeting until the close of the next annual meeting. The Nominating Committee shall make as many nominations for election to the Board of Directors as it shall in its discretion determine, but not less than the number of vacancies that are to be filled.

Here is the new law as 2015. Note we are NO in the developers phase:

Sec. 209.00593. ELECTION OF BOARD MEMBERS. (a) Notwithstanding any provision in a dedicatory instrument, any board member whose term has expired must be elected by owners who are members of the property owners' association. A board member may be appointed by the board to fill a vacancy on the board. A board member appointed to fill a vacant position shall serve for the remainder of the unexpired term of the position.
(a-1) At least 10 days before the date a property owners' association composed of more than 100 lots disseminates absentee ballots or other ballots to association members for purposes of voting in a board member election, the association must provide notice to the association members soliciting candidates interested in running for a position on the board. The notice must contain instructions for an eligible candidate to notify the association of the candidate's request to be placed on the ballot and the deadline to submit the candidate's request. The deadline may not be earlier than the 10th day after the date the association provides the notice required by this subsection.
(a-2) The notice required by Subsection (a-1) must be:
(1) mailed to each owner; or
(2) provided by:
(A) posting the notice in a conspicuous manner reasonably designed to provide notice to association members:
(i) in a place located on the association's common property or, with the property owner's consent, on other conspicuously located privately owned property within the subdivision; or
(ii) on any Internet website maintained by the association or other Internet media; and
(B) sending the notice by e-mail to each owner who has registered an e-mail address with the association.
(a-3) An association described by Subsection (a-1) shall include on each absentee ballot or other ballot for a board member election the name of each eligible candidate from whom the association received a request to be placed on the ballot in accordance with this section.
(b) The board of a property owners' association may amend the bylaws of the property owners' association to provide for elections to be held as required by Subsection (a).
(c) The appointment of a board member in violation of this section is void.
(d) This section does not apply to the appointment of a board member during a development period.
(e) This section does not apply to a representative board whose members or delegates are elected or appointed by representatives of a property owners' association who are elected by owner members of a property owners' association.
Added by Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1026 (H.B. 2761), Sec. 3, eff. January 1, 2012.
Amended by:
Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1062 (H.B. 3176), Sec. 1, eff. June 14, 2013.
Acts 2015, 84th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1183 (S.B. 1168), Sec. 15, eff. September 1, 2015.

Here is what is says at the end of that Statute:

Sec. 209.017. JUSTICE COURT JURISDICTION. An owner of property in a subdivision may bring an action for a violation of this chapter against the property owners' association of the subdivision in the justice court of a precinct in which all or part of the subdivision is located.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I should have said, if they don’t I include all those on the ballot, etc.,
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Yes, that is similar to what is stated in our bylaw, but the new State Statute takes precedence over the bylaws. So the bylaw became obsolete on 2015.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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RodgerF, your group can write the board as follows:

Dear Board of Directors,

By failing to list _____ as a candidate, and also by failing to do _____, ____ and ____, the Board and HOA have violated TPC 209.00593. Please correct these errors, ensuring that proper notice occurs and that all requirements of state law and the bylaws are met. Please let us know within ___ business days of your intent to do this. If you do no do this, then we draw your attention to the high likelihood that this election will be nullified.

Sincerely,
[names]
[addresses]
[phone numbers]
[email addies]

Send the letter certified mail, return receipt requested to the HOA's registered agent as listed at the Texas Secretary of State site. If this does not get the desired result (and it probably will not), then in my experience your group will have to lawyer up.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Thank you, that is very helpful.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I like ElleN's suggested letter too.

But, still, Rodger, IF TX is an open meeting state, then the Nominating Committee" would have been required to be appointed by the Board in an open meeting, noted in the meeting minutes, etc. The Bord's desire to keep their name secret is really disgusting and the process to appoint them may also oppose TX statutes and/or your own bylaws.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Texas is absolutely an open meeting state both under TPC 209, with the usual exceptions for Executive Session matters. A brief summary of an ES must be presented when the Board emerges from ES.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
TPC 209 is clear that board meetings must be open to owners (with limited exceptions). But it's silent about committee meetings.
Even California does not require committee meetings to be open to owners, or so says https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/C/Committee-Meetings

Contrast this with Florida, where the statutes expressly say committee meetings must be open to owners.

For the OP's situation, at present I am not convinced there's anything with teeth to force Texas HOA nominating committee meetings to be open to owners.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By ElleN on 02/13/2023 1:26 PM
TPC 209 is clear that board meetings must be open to owners (with limited exceptions). But it's silent about committee meetings.
Even California does not require committee meetings to be open to owners, or so says https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/C/Committee-Meetings

Contrast this with Florida, where the statutes expressly say committee meetings must be open to owners.

For the OP's situation, at present I am not convinced there's anything with teeth to force Texas HOA nominating committee meetings to be open to owners.
My bad. Kerry's talking about the board meeting where the members of the nominating committee were appointed. I agree this board meeting should have been open to owners.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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You agree, Bill, that appointing committee members is not an executive session matter?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The board may consider such a letter a threat of legal action. This would result in:

1) All communications going through the attorney
2) Zero communication from the board to the member

Sometimes, such a letter works.
Sometimes, those on the board simply dig in for the fight.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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TimB4, do you have an alternative approach? Could the letter be made less threatening?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Kerry, I do agree. A nominating committee is no different than the formation of any other committee. The committee members must be formally named to the committee in a meeting of the Board which is open to members of the Association. The purpose or charter of the committee should also be memorialized unless it already exists in the Declaration of the Association.

RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Well the letter doesn’t contain any of the 5 elements that constitute a threat in this state so that doesn’t concern me. Furthermore chapter 209 of our property code spells out what to do if the HOA violates anything within that chapter, so if I wrote ton them that that refusal to clarify a position may result on a petition to the Justice of Peace I am simply trying to work things out out the lowest echelon, and using the provision in Sec 209-017 as a last resort only. Most importantly I have not received any comments about my complaints in 2 weeks, but minutes after i sent in the complaint using the format that was mentioned on this group I received an official response that they have received my complaints and are working to rectify the complaints.. That sounds positive to me. It shows they just didn’t miss them. I think their attorney informed them that the Chapter 209 trumps the old bylaw.

Sec. 209.017. JUSTICE COURT JURISDICTION. An owner of property in a subdivision may bring an action for a violation of this chapter against the property owners' association of the subdivision in the justice court of a precinct in which all or part of the subdivision is located.

“Here is what the verbiage they used :

“Good afternoon Sir, I received your complaint from our info box.
I have received your many correspondences and I have forwarded your concerns to the Board of Directors.
We are working on rectifying your many concerns. Any further updates will be announced to the community as a whole.

Thank you,”
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
They definitely didn’t have a meeting. We were told about the nominating committee through postal mail.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
No, the letter was already sent to him about 5 minutes after the template was posted on here. And I was shocked that within minutes I received a reply, so it was perfect.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Appointing a committee is not the issue, leaving an eligible homeowner who submitted his name to be on the ballot, and not putting him on the ballot is in direct violations of our rights under the Texas Property Code, Chapter 209 and has consequences. This community was turned over to the developer less than 2 years ago, my guess is they got bad advice and acted on. Now they are trying to rectify it so that is positive.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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That the board ignored the TX ion meeting requirement DOES matter as it demonstrates an additional way in which this Board is non-compliant.

The reply to you notes your "many" complaints twice. Do care to tell us how many you've written, for example, so far this year?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Say, really, how many "complaints" have you sent this year, Rodger?
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Just 2 valid official complaints. Both were in regard to clear and obvious violations of chapter 209 of our property code. One dealt with an election issue, the other dealt with the improper handling of an official record. Also an official record request was submitted for all legal receipts for the month of January 2023. Not the legal work product, just the receipts. These were all submitted within 2 days of one and another. No other official complaints, have been submitted by me and I have been a resident here for for two years.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
She may have been referring to that I sent her the complaints. She did not respond so after several I forwarded them again to the info desk, and I used the template that was provided on this group. I finally received answer that they are working on rectifying the issues. The main one being the ejection issue. I will keep the group posted. It turns the real victim in this the person why they didn’t put on the ballot and it appears he may have already filed suit or is about to.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Thanks Rodger, please do keep us posted.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Just received notice that they fixed the election. They are creating new ballots, to all eligible voters on it, and changing the date of the election. This time it will done right. Thank you all for helping resolve this issue. It took years for homeowners to get rights in this state and we have to have fight hard to keep them. Here is what we received regarding this issue. I only redacted the HOA and POA name. This group was very helpful and we appreciate it.

Dear xx Crossing Homeowners,

After receiving an email from a homeowner informing us of section 5.1 of the community’s Bylaws, the Board of Directors elected to appoint a nominating committee and followed the procedures outlined by this section. Upon further review prompted by multiple xx Crossing homeowners, we have discovered that the nominating committee procedures as set forth by these Bylaws is unlawful.

Moving forward, the nomination committee will be dissolved and will not be utilized for any future elections.

In order to rectify these missteps in the nomination process, we will pushing the Annual Meeting of the Members back to a later date so we may reissue the ballot, with all interested parties included, and the updated meeting notice.

We thank all of the homeowners for their diligence and patience during this confusion.

The notice, ballot, and online election will be reissued today, February 15th 2023.

Xx Crossing Board of Directors and xx
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
That's amazing. Good job, Rodger. Good job, Board. Good job, manager.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I see in the letter "Upon further review prompted by multiple xx Crossing homeowners..." I'm sure you contributed Rodger and maybe prompted other owners to act. Their pressure on the board & PM clearly made a big difference. Major kudos to you and your fellow owners!!! This shows this board, which imo, seems too secretive, (anon. Nom. Committee members????!!!) to be more open with their discussions &n decisions.

But I see that the board apparently make the decision to change the election date, etc. outside of an open board meeting??? If so, they STILL aren't complying with TX codes. Is it possible their make this new decision by taking a action without a meeting? If so, they must note this action in th next meeting minutes.a meeting and will record the consensus at the next open meeting's meintures?/
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
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That’s something I need to study up on. This whole issue has been big headache. I thought for sure we were going to file a petition with the Justice of Peace and we were prepared to do that. But it all worked out. That whole outdated ( enforceable provisions as a matter TPC) need to be scrubbed. One battle at a time. I think the POA dropped the ball and gave bad to the BOD to be honest. It’s not a good look as we just transitioned to a new POA recently and pay them about 30% more than we did our previous POA so we we aren’t getting a good return on our investment.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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A management company that owns its mistakes and corrects them is an excellent investment, IMO. Keep reading at this forum, and see the many reports where boards and management companies dig into an indefensible position, forcing owners to lawyer up or give up.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Roger, you are confusing me with your use of abbreviations.

A POA is a Property Owners Association, a sometimes substitute reference to a HOA or a condominium association. I think you are referring to the management company, sometimes referred to as the MC, in your most recent post.

Can you clarify what you mean in this sentence? "That whole outdated ( enforceable provisions as a matter TPC) need to be scrubbed."

Otherwise, good job.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
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I to say Management company. The bylaws allowed nominees to be selected by a committee appointed by the BOD. 3 homeowners submitted their names to be on the ballot, ONLY 2 were selected. Texas law requires ALL eligible homeowners who submit a timely request to be put on the ballot. Texas LAW takes precedence over our covenants.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By RodgerF on 02/15/2023 5:13 PM
I to say Management company. The bylaws allowed nominees to be selected by a committee appointed by the BOD. 3 homeowners submitted their names to be on the ballot, ONLY 2 were selected. Texas law requires ALL eligible homeowners who submit a timely request to be put on the ballot. Texas LAW takes precedence over our covenants.

Texas law may not always take precedence over Bylaws in this case. They are times, nationwide, that the law might have a caveat that says "notwithstanding", meaning the language in your Bylaws stands. The law would valid if such language wasn't there.

Just something to think about.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Why muddy the waters, Max? The 209 that Rodger cites is clear.

Rodger, I hafta agree with Bill that your use of language can be confusing. For instance, you write as if bylaws and covenants are the same thing, and in your HOA I'm pretty sure they are not.

But you do not have to "scrub" your Bylaws of its outdated item in this case. TX law rules.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Rodger

Disregarding anything I say, Kerry believes she IS the expert.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Actually in this case it means just the opposite, the law supercedes the bylaw. And “ notwithstanding” in legal terms means “ despite of”:

Section 209.00593
Election of Board Members

(a) Notwithstanding any provision in a dedicatory instrument, ,,,,,,,
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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That's why I am agreeing with you Rodger. You are correct concerning this topic

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