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JimA19 (Georgia)
Posts: 54
Posted:
we are 30+ years Florida HOA, in the process of revitalizing our governing documents, which draws attention to the past. some homeowners have requested the formal decision on the distribution of operational costs as part of their approval of the revitalization ballot. that decision is not in our governing documents. would/should it be recorded at the time that the HOA was formed??
any help would be appreciated, thanks folks
jim anderson
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
What does the "formal decision on the distribution of operational costs" mean? I see nothing in FS 712 or FS 720 on this.

Whose "formal decision"? Made when? "Distribution" made to whom? Are they talking about how the HOA spends money?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Or, perhaps, are those asking the question asking for information on how the operating costs are allocated to the owners? On the basis of square footage, or ???
JimA19 (Georgia)
Posts: 54
Posted:
the decision the present board inherited is on a per lot basis. some residents are questioning the fairness of that allocation of costs. if the Board chooses to amend that formula they are trying to establish if there was a past decision they must amend . i do not see anything in fs712 or 720 requiring the recording of a decision and our old board records simply dont exist. county records also are silent on the matter.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
"Distribution of operating costs" sounds a lot like a budget to me, and I've rarely seen budget items spelled out in the governing documents. The only exceptions I've seen are an article that lists the types of insurance that must be carried and some language giving the association the right (but not obligation) to include things like utilities.

A community can change some of these items over time. For instance, they may transition from self-management to hiring a community manager - and they wouldn't want to have to amend the CC&Rs whenever the board changes their minds about it.

Some of these things may be appropriate for homeowner approval. Others such as insurance are not, since most homeowners lack the knowledge to make good decisions. Even things like hiring a manager should be in the hands of the board and not the homeowners, IMHO. Homeowners are always in favor of cutting costs until it's time to step up and actually do the work themselves. If a community is self-managed, then the bulk of the work is going to fall onto the board and they should be the ones to determine whether or not they have the time and skills needed.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Usually, assessments are based on the total amount of expenses divided by the number of lots. In high rise condos it can be based on the square footage of the units (people with larger units pay more.)

If there aren't any records that explain why your assessments are set the way they are and your documents aren't clear either, it maybe easier to revamp the way it's done going forward. You're already revamping the documents and a majority has to approve, do take advantage of that. Personally, I say base it 9n expenses because the math's easier.

By the way, are you trying to change the documents without consulting an attorney? That's a bad idea because you want your documents to stand up in court and be in line with federal and state law (such as they are). Contrary to what many think, not everything in HOA land is addressed in legislation. HOAS are mini governments and you should expect the documents to vary from community to community based on its needs

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By JimA19 on 01/28/2023 9:03 AM
the decision the present board inherited is on a per lot basis. some residents are questioning the fairness of that allocation of costs. if the Board chooses to amend that formula they are trying to establish if there was a past decision they must amend . i do not see anything in fs712 or 720 requiring the recording of a decision and our old board records simply dont exist. county records also are silent on the matter.
The assessment for each lot is to be made strictly on the basis of what the Declaration, Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws say.

Have your governing documents legally expired? Or does no one know for sure?

If they are legally expired, then I believe the HOA is starting anew. Also the bar for revitalizing is much higher.

If they are not legally expired, and the Board is therefore taking action to extend the present governing documents before they expire, then I do not think any amendment should be attempted at this time.

You all are working with an attorney right? You're asking questions here just to get a handle on the vocabulary and basics of the legalities here, right?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Just saw Jim's last post about actually determining assessments.

In my experience, HOAs with single family homes often use a flat rate for all homes, while condo communities allocate assessments based on par value or percentage of ownership.

This makes sense when you consider the differences between the two types of community.

The HOA's common elements often include things that all owners use pretty much equally: streets, clubhouse, pool, walking trails, etc. It makes sense that each home pays an equal share in the upkeep. Condos' common elements also include portions of the residential structures: foundations, framing, roofing, decks/patios, shared utility lines, etc. in addition to the items that HOA residents share. It makes sense to allocate responsibility based on par value: a larger condo uses a larger share of the common support structure and so costs more to maintain than a smaller unit.

But these are rules of thumb, and I think there are plenty of exceptions to them.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Another thing to check is the requirements for amending assessment rules. In my community (condos), any change to how assessments are calculated requires *unanimous* approval by the membership. If one tier of assessment percentages changes, they all have to change - hence the need for total buy-in.

An HOA that currently assesses a flat rate for all lots may have different requirements. But I would assume that a lot people believe that they're paying too much while their neighbors are paying too little - or at least enough of them believe this that achieving the necessary support may be tough. Other things to consider: the number of out-of-town owners and the general level of apathy among the membership. If these are at a sufficiently high level, even measures that have wide support may not get the necessary votes.

Bottom line: assessments are basically a zero-sum game. If you're going to pay less, then somebody else has to pay more. This can discourage cooperation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
My experience having lived in 6 associations ranging from apartment style to adjoining townhomes to single family homes is dues are typically equal in single family home associations but can vary in other type arrangements typically based on unit size. As another poster said, any change in the way your docs presently call for might well require all owners approving such a change.

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