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JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
Posted:
North Carolina General Statute Section 47C-3-108, Meetings, requires in section (a):
Not less than 10 nor more than 60 days in advance of any meeting, the secretary or other officer specified in the bylaws shall cause notice to be hand-delivered or sent...The notice of any meeting must state the time and place of the meeting and the items on the agenda...

§ 55A-7-20. Members' list for meeting.(a) After fixing a record date for a notice of a meeting, a corporation shall prepare an
alphabetical list of the names of all its members who are entitled to notice of the meeting. The list shall show the address and number of votes each member is entitled to cast at the meeting
(a) After fixing a record date for a notice of a meeting, a corporation shall prepare an alphabetical list of the names of all its members who are entitled to notice of the meeting. The list shall show the address and number of votes each member is entitled to cast at the meeting

From 2015 through 2019, the elections for members to the Board of Directors were consistent because there were equal number of candidates for equal number of seats, no nominations from the floor.

So during those 5 years the Notice of Annual Meeting agendas state there will be "Election of Members to The Board" during the annual meeting. Motion from the floor were made and seconded to reelect the candidates by voice vote which yields unanimous votes. The proxy forms are general but limited to only being used during the meeting, almost exclusively for reaching quorum and approving the budget.

This changes in 2020 when there are more candidates than seats.
The advance Notice of Annual Meeting agenda now states there is a "Nomination of Members to the Board of Directors". There are 4 candidates for 3 seats. The minutes of the Annual Meeting clearly state, "***As a reminder, voting will be done via mail in ballot after the meeting." The proxy form, as usual, has a date limitation for use during the meeting only.

In 2021, there are 5 candidates for 4 seats. Notice of Annual Meeting agenda included "Nomination of Members to Board of Directors", no mention of election. The Self-nominating form included in the notice packet stated that there are 4 positions on the BOD up for election "following the Annual Meeting". States this twice. The proxy forms, as usual, date limited. Two days after the Annual Meeting the PM company sends an email to the owners informing them that the 5th candidate has dropped out thus leaving 4 candidates for 4 seats so here's your new board members! There was no vote. It was sloppy of the PM to assume there would be unanimous acclamation so they skipped a few steps and declared the winners.

Things are very different in 2022. There are 5 candidates for 3 seats. I am one of those candidates. Three candidates are BOD officers (pres, VP, and secretary) running for re-election. The Notice of Annual Meeting agenda states "Nomination of Members to Board of Directors", no mention of election. The Self-Nominating Form included in the notice packet states that "The XXXXXX Condominium Association will have three (3) positions on the Board of Directors up for election following the Annual Meeting on Thursday, November 3, 2022". Actually states that twice. The proxy form, as usual, states, "THIS PROXY IS LIMITED TO THE ANNUAL MEETING OF MEMBERS TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 3, 2022".

Members in attendance at the remote annual meeting had no idea who the 5 candidates were until that section of the agenda was executed. Candidates were given a chance to say something from the floor, two of us chose to do so. Immediately after my 2 minute speech, the PM CEO initiated a vote for the BOD seats. Happened quickly, votes were tallied, and results announced. All 3 board officers won re election and it was very apparent from the vote totals that proxies had been used to reach the winning totals. And who held all the proxies? The BOD president. In all previous years the proxy forms included the BOD president, by name, as the top option to hold a member's proxy. Had the vote been by mail-in ballot as in prior years when there were more candidates than seats, the BOD president could not have legally used the proxies he held to vote. It appears our association had an election for the BOD during the meeting that the entire association was unaware would be happening because it wasn't on the agenda so the BOD president could exploit the proxies to make sure he and his BOD cronies would be re-elected.

I know that the BOD and PM has never complied with §55A-7-20 which denied candidates access to media that could have been used to campaign and solicit proxies. Reading further in the statute, there is judicial remedy if the organization refuses to comply with §55A-7-20 resulting in the superior court of the county invalidating the election. Now we know that 47C-3-108 was not complied with either.

My approach through this ongoing complexity of issues with the BOD has been to assume laziness, ineptness, ignorance of the BOD. Don't attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by incompetence. How the 2022 election was handled changes my thinking to believe this was intentional. The PM CEO is a credentialed CAM and he clearly knows the law but in this past election it looks as though he and the BOD exploited owner ignorance and apathy to have an election that benefited the president and his pals on the board.

It's an invalid election, imo.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jean

Like it or not it is common practice for a BOD to send out a Proxy naming the BOD as the Proxy holder. It is entirely legal. Some say it is trickery but none the less, it is legal. The way to beat this is make your own Proxy which can override the BOD Proxy.

You got eat fair and square.
JeanneH3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 158
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 01/26/2023 8:09 AM
Jean

Like it or not it is common practice for a BOD to send out a Proxy naming the BOD as the Proxy holder. It is entirely legal. Some say it is trickery but none the less, it is legal. The way to beat this is make your own Proxy which can override the BOD Proxy.

You got eat fair and square.

Please read for comprehension. THere was no way I or the other non-board candidate could solicit proxies because the BOD did not comply with the law posting the names and mailing addresses of owners a month before the election. In a coastal resort condo, 90% of the owners do not live in their condos so having their mailing addresses to get those proxies is a necessity. As of today, we have still not heard from the BOD as to whether they will comply with the law next year so it could be epic next year.

Second, the most important point of the post was when the election was held. Informing owners a month prior to the annual meeting that there is going to be "nominations" to the board but no mention of an election on the agenda, and clearly state twice in another document that the vote will occur AFTER the meeting and then defy that entirely and have an election no one knew was going to happen is quite irregular.

And the irony of this is there was a motion made to change the rules to require the BOD to publish minutes of their meetings within 60 days of the meeting, it was duly seconded by another owner only to be told there could be no voting on the motion because it had not been in the agenda announced to owners a month earlier.

"Typically, the default officer named is the secretary or president. However, if the person holding that office is seeking re-election to the Board, a different officer should be named to avoid any appearance of bias or election tampering." Nancy Polomis, partner at Hellmuth&Johnson

"Associations can be rife with fraud where boards keep themselves in with proxies," says James R. McCormick Jr., a partner at Peters & Freedman LLP in Encinitas, Calif., who represents associations.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
how do BOD get these proxies sent back to them?
I tried knocking on doors about 15 years ago to get proxies to override a proposed dues increase and I couldn't believe the number of people who did not give a shit. People would say they would rather not vote at all then to let me a stranger vote on their behalf. OR just close the door while saying they werent' interested as if I was selling magazines to them.

Isn't everyone else's HOA membership just as apathetic??? If I mailed out 200 letters with a SASE return envelope for a proxy I'd expect to get 5 of them back. seriously.

anwyas. back to your issue, you can sue for them not following the 10-60 day announcement rule. or just try to get on the board next year.

in NC BOD are required to have people regulary attend meetings so that is another way you can stay in the loop

good luck.

vis ta vie
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/26/2023 11:23 AM
how do BOD get these proxies sent back to them?
I tried knocking on doors about 15 years ago to get proxies to override a proposed dues increase and I couldn't believe the number of people who did not give a shit. People would say they would rather not vote at all then to let me a stranger vote on their behalf. OR just close the door while saying they werent' interested as if I was selling magazines to them.

Isn't everyone else's HOA membership just as apathetic??? If I mailed out 200 letters with a SASE return envelope for a proxy I'd expect to get 5 of them back. seriously.

anwyas. back to your issue, you can sue for them not following the 10-60 day announcement rule. or just try to get on the board next year.

in NC BOD are required to have people regulary attend meetings so that is another way you can stay in the loop

good luck.



Sadly, apathy is the primary reason HOA boards go rogue. Too many homeowners have the attitude of "I don't give a damn what they do as long as my assessments don't go up" and you can't even get them to attend the annual meeting, which is only once a year and usually doesn't last longer than an hour. Then they're shocked, shocked with something happens and they need a special assessment (or several) and the assessments increase (a lot) to keep up with increased costs and years of deferred maintenance.

You could sue, but it may be more effective (and cheaper) to rally together your neighbors and call for a special meeting where you can demand the board explain itself regarding the proxies - and recall them if they can't or refuse to. Of course, you'll need a group of people ready to step up and take those spots (and one of them may have to be YOU). It wouldn't hurt to have an attorney on standby in case the board pushes back. This will result in a certain amount of drama, but change is never easy or quick, so decide what you want to do and how far you want to go. Talk to your fellow candidates and see if they feel the same way and are willing to help.

This might not get resolved until the next annual meeting, and if you succeed, the new board may want to take a look at the documents to see if the rules regarding proxies need to be tweaked. In my community, they're used to help establish quorum and/or name someone to attend the meeting to vote on your behalf. If you don't name anyone, the Board president will vote on your behalf, and if you're able to attend the meeting after all, the proxy will be cancelled and you can cast your vote in person. That could be part the problem in your community - are people even reading the proxies to understand what they're authorizing when they sign and return it?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/26/2023 11:23 AM
how do BOD get these proxies sent back to them?
I tried knocking on doors about 15 years ago to get proxies to override a proposed dues increase and I couldn't believe the number of people who did not give a shit. People would say they would rather not vote at all then to let me a stranger vote on their behalf. OR just close the door while saying they werent' interested as if I was selling magazines to them.

Isn't everyone else's HOA membership just as apathetic??? If I mailed out 200 letters with a SASE return envelope for a proxy I'd expect to get 5 of them back. seriously.

anwyas. back to your issue, you can sue for them not following the 10-60 day announcement rule. or just try to get on the board next year.

in NC BOD are required to have people regulary attend meetings so that is another way you can stay in the loop

good luck.



Sadly, apathy is the primary reason HOA boards go rogue. Too many homeowners have the attitude of "I don't give a damn what they do as long as my assessments don't go up" and you can't even get them to attend the annual meeting, which is only once a year and usually doesn't last longer than an hour. Then they're shocked, shocked with something happens and they need a special assessment (or several) and the assessments increase (a lot) to keep up with increased costs and years of deferred maintenance.

You could sue, but it may be more effective (and cheaper) to rally together your neighbors and call for a special meeting where you can demand the board explain itself regarding the proxies - and recall them if they can't or refuse to. Of course, you'll need a group of people ready to step up and take those spots (and one of them may have to be YOU). It wouldn't hurt to have an attorney on standby in case the board pushes back. This will result in a certain amount of drama, but change is never easy or quick, so decide what you want to do and how far you want to go. Talk to your fellow candidates and see if they feel the same way and are willing to help.

This might not get resolved until the next annual meeting, and if you succeed, the new board may want to take a look at the documents to see if the rules regarding proxies need to be tweaked. In my community, they're used to help establish quorum and/or name someone to attend the meeting to vote on your behalf. If you don't name anyone, the Board president will vote on your behalf, and if you're able to attend the meeting after all, the proxy will be cancelled and you can cast your vote in person. That could be part the problem in your community - are people even reading the proxies to understand what they're authorizing when they sign and return it?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/26/2023 11:23 AM
how do BOD get these proxies sent back to them?
I tried knocking on doors about 15 years ago to get proxies to override a proposed dues increase and I couldn't believe the number of people who did not give a shit. People would say they would rather not vote at all then to let me a stranger vote on their behalf. OR just close the door while saying they werent' interested as if I was selling magazines to them.

Isn't everyone else's HOA membership just as apathetic??? If I mailed out 200 letters with a SASE return envelope for a proxy I'd expect to get 5 of them back. seriously.

anwyas. back to your issue, you can sue for them not following the 10-60 day announcement rule. or just try to get on the board next year.

in NC BOD are required to have people regulary attend meetings so that is another way you can stay in the loop

good luck.



Sadly, apathy is the primary reason HOA boards go rogue. Too many homeowners have the attitude of "I don't give a damn what they do as long as my assessments don't go up" and you can't even get them to attend the annual meeting, which is only once a year and usually doesn't last longer than an hour. Then they're shocked, shocked with something happens and they need a special assessment (or several) and the assessments increase (a lot) to keep up with increased costs and years of deferred maintenance.

You could sue, but it may be more effective (and cheaper) to rally together your neighbors and call for a special meeting where you can demand the board explain itself regarding the proxies - and recall them if they can't or refuse to. Of course, you'll need a group of people ready to step up and take those spots (and one of them may have to be YOU). It wouldn't hurt to have an attorney on standby in case the board pushes back. This will result in a certain amount of drama, but change is never easy or quick, so decide what you want to do and how far you want to go. Talk to your fellow candidates and see if they feel the same way and are willing to help.

This might not get resolved until the next annual meeting, and if you succeed, the new board may want to take a look at the documents to see if the rules regarding proxies need to be tweaked. In my community, they're used to help establish quorum and/or name someone to attend the meeting to vote on your behalf. If you don't name anyone, the Board president will vote on your behalf, and if you're able to attend the meeting after all, the proxy will be cancelled and you can cast your vote in person. That could be part the problem in your community - are people even reading the proxies to understand what they're authorizing when they sign and return it?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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