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DavidP29 (California)
Posts: 100
Posted:
How does your HOA work with leaks and mold testing?

We recently had leaking around windows during the last CA rains.

The issue may be from behind stucco and not caulking around window. We actually still trying to get an appointment with a GC to figure it out. Would your HOA do mold testing?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
In all the CCRs of the HOAs I manage, the repair of the inside unit is handled by the owner, therefore the mold testing will be authorized by the owner's insurance company.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In my community, windows are the homeowners responsibility, so they would have to get theur5own tests and pay for maintenance.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In our condo CC&Rs, mold at the windows is the owners' obligation to remediate.

Are you in condo? If it's flawed stucco or caulking on the exterior common area ie of th bailing, in our HOA, the HOA must fix it, but the owner till pays for interior damage.

If your buildings new enough, it's possible th exterior stucco or caulking can be part of a construction defect issue.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Look in your CC&Rs to see if windows and exterior walls are considered part of the unit or common elements, and then check the section that outlines the responsibilities of the unit owner and the association. This will vary by community since it's dependent in part on the structure of your buildings, and what another HOA does may be the wrong thing for you to do.

Mold is nearly always considered a maintenance issue, with the possible exception of mold that's the direct result of something like a hurricane. Even if the leak originated in the common elements, the unit owner may still be responsible for damage to the unit.

DavidP29 (California)
Posts: 100
Posted:
Our CCRs state that the exterior walls (stucco) is HOA responsibility. It does not state anything about unit repair/damage from exterior walls leaks.

We are treating this just like a common pipe leak that then damages units. The HOA takes ownership for the common pipe damage and repairs the unit.

Our CCRs are from 1972 and are original developer/owner docs. We are actually in process of updating them through the CA court.

To be clear, water is not leaking through windows but between the window and frame of building. One person actually has leak coming through ceiling when raining(not related to pipe).

The windows and caulking around them is owner responsibility. All windows have been checked and this is stucco crack leaking issue.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
That still doesn't tell me if the HOA is responsible- it could be, but it might be turn this over to your master insurance company ane let it duke it out with the homeowners insurance company. If you're the owner, perhaps you can suggest splitting the cost of mold testing with the HOA. If that helps verify where the leak came from and who's responsible, the "losing side" reimburses the einner

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
From the Centers for Disease Control

Should I get my Home Tested for Mold?
CDC does not recommend mold testing. The health effects of mold can be different for different people so you cannot rely on sampling and culturing to know if you or a member of your family might become sick. No matter what type of mold is present, you need to remove it. Also, good sampling for mold can be expensive, and there are no set standards for what is and what is not an acceptable quantity of different kinds of mold in a home. The best thing you can do is to safely remove the mold and work to prevent future mold growth.

https://www.cdc.gov/mold/control_mold.htm#:~:text=CDC%20does%20not%20recommend%20mold,you%20need%20to%20remove%20it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since you wrote, David: "The HOA takes ownership for the common [area] pipe damage and repairs the unit," it sounds like they take responsibility & the HOA's insurance pays for all damage caused by the common areas, including the Unit's interior, e.g., flooring, etc.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since you wrote, David: "The HOA takes ownership for the common [area] pipe damage and repairs the unit," it sounds like they take responsibility & the HOA's insurance pays for all damage caused by the common areas, including the Unit's interior, e.g., flooring, etc.

But, what about testing for mold? Did a unit owner let water stay in the interior areas for long periods of time? In our condos, if wanter intrudes into units s form the common areas, water remediation folks come out right away and start blower fans on the affected area(s).
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree with Sheila about unit owners getting their insurance companies involved and let them sort it out. My only concern is that the association's insurance may not be involved at all since this doesn't sound like an insurable event on their end (insurable = sudden, unpredictable, and not preventable through normal prudent maintenance). Mold isn't a sudden thing unless it results directly from something like storm damage. If there is a small leak, it will generally take a few years of continuous moisture to allow mold to grow and make its presence known.

FWIW, I had mold inside an exterior wall that resulted from improper grading outside my unit - rain flowed toward the building, got under the siding and on top of the slab, so the framing, OSB, and some of the insulation got wet. Since I didn't know that at the time, I hired the mold remediation company to open the wall from the inside, and that's how we figured out the source of the water. I was on the board at the time and also worked for the builder, so I coordinated all the work including the parts that the association was responsible (removing the siding, replacing the damaged OSB, cleaning the framing, and installing a drain in the low lying spot to route rain water away from the building). I personally was responsible for the mold remediation on the interior and replacing damaged insulation and drywall. And then I threw a professional hissy fit and got the builder to reimburse us...

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/25/2023 1:23 PM
Since you wrote, David: "The HOA takes ownership for the common [area] pipe damage and repairs the unit," it sounds like they take responsibility & the HOA's insurance pays for all damage caused by the common areas, including the Unit's interior, e.g., flooring, etc.

But, what about testing for mold? Did a unit owner let water stay in the interior areas for long periods of time? In our condos, if wanter intrudes into units s form the common areas, water remediation folks come out right away and start blower fans on the affected area(s).

The thing with mold is that often the first sign of a problem is the smell. A small leak at the edge of a window may not be visible on the drywall until there is staining of some kind, which means the issue has existed for a few years.

I've dealt with mold in two different condos, and in both cases it took about four years for the problem to show up. In one case, the source of the water was a pinhole sized leak in a pipe in the wall of the unit above my next door neighbor. We found the problem when my neighbor discovered mold inside her closet which was adjacent to the shared wall between our units. So I dug through my closet and found a bit of mold on the carpet along the shared wall. The water had run down along that shared wall, hit the slab, and then spread out.

My neighbor was HOT that her HO6 policy had to cover the repairs inside her unit. I had to talk her down a few times.... :-) The head of the remediation crew we both used said that in his opinion the leak existed for the life of the building - the tiny leak was missed during the plumbing test and inspection.

Mold is a PITA. I agree with Jeff - get rid of it. If you have evidence of a leak that's existed for a while (a couple years or more), you almost certainly have it even if you can't see or smell anything.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our high rise, too has had a few incidences of mold over the years. But, if the leak has occurred in the OP's Unit off & on over time, an was never reported to the assn., I just don't know who would pay for the testing.

Our new CC&Rs, eff. 9/22, has a huge Section on "Water Damage & Mold." I small portion says: "Each Owner, and not the Association, shall also be responsible to clean, remediate, repair and replace any Improvements which are ordinarily the Owner’s responsibility to repair or replace as provided in Section 8.1.1 above where any damage or destruction to those Improvements was caused by the intrusion of water or other substances emanating from within Common Area, or from outside of the building provided that such intrusion was not directly caused by the willful act or negligence of the Association or its agents or employees." So owners' required HO^ would pay.

It's really just an addition to an old 8.1.1 , still existing maintenance obligation of the Owner. Our assn. insurance, though, unlike the OP's, does not damage to the interior of the Unit caused by common area issues unless due to negligence.
DavidP29 (California)
Posts: 100
Posted:
Thank you everyone.

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