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MarianoR (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I live in Texas and have been living in the neighborhood for over 6 years. I installed a permanent basketball goal over two years ago and got it approved by the HOA at that time. A new HOA company replaced the old company. The new HOA company said it was getting a lot of complaints about the basketball goals and changed the rules which I have added to this post. The new rule requires me to register my basketball goal for $25 and then pay a $10 fee every year after that. My complaint is that I should not have to pay any fees since my goal was approved before this new rule came into place. Am I correct? If so, what do I do next if the HOA refuses to follow the correct interpretation of the rules?
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MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
There are two things that stand out.

1) I see no mention of registration fees or annual fee,

2) This appears to be a recorded amendment (Exhibit) of the CCRs, which, if this were California, would have had to be voted on prior to being recorded with the County.
MarianoR (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I apologize but I actually got the wrong version of the policy. Here is the one that is being enforced BUT it does not have an execution date. They changed the rules at the final hour AFTER it was approved by the board. I have attached the revised policy. But is it even legal to charge for something in general let alone after two years of it being approved?
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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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The fees are ridiculous, in my opinion - what did the board say when you asked them about this (you did ask them, didn't you?) Since your goal was built two years ago, it seems to me the board should have grandfathered in those homes and made the requirements for any new ones. If you have other neighbors that have had their goals as long as you, this should be pointed out to the board in no uncertain terms.

If there are noise complaints or crowds regarding your goal, you might want to ask for specific dates and times, and then have a conversation with whoever in your household uses the goals, emphasizing that this is THEIR goal and therefore, they need to ensure their friends and relatives respect their property by not acting crazy.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Oh, and most of us aren't attorneys on this website and what may be true in your state may not be addressed or is the opposite in others. Go to a private attorney if you have a specific legal question.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
The board, not the management company changed the rules, right?

Thank you for providing the attachment. What has my attention in particular is this:

"pursuant to Exhibit โ€œCโ€ of the Declaration, the Board has the power and authority to impose conditions on basketball hoop and similar sports and play equipment in the Community;"

Assuming Declaration Exhibit C does say this, then I think the board is on pretty good ground to change the rules.

The courts say the board has to be reasonable when it creates rules. I'd say this also includes being reasonable when it changes rules. "Reasonable" is whatever the courts say tomorrow is "reasonable." Does the board have a duty to "grandfather in" hoops that were previously approved? Plenty of case law sides with an owner having relied on legitimate, prior approval of a HOA before choosing to spend significant money on some architectural-type feature.

You can write a polite, emotion-free, just-the-facts letter to the board discussing how you spent a lot of money based on prior approval of a permanent hoop; say you're not a lawyer but your understanding is the courts would likely agree with you that your hoop should be grandfathered; ask to be allowed to keep the permanent hoop; but otherwise, you will pay the fees and follow the rules about basketball playing time. If the board says no, then you are stuck with lawyering up and spending time and money fighting this rule change, with no guarantee of success.

I think fees like that the board is now imposing may be legally justified as "reasonable." The manager has to keep an eye on the hoops and address problems. Billing individual owners who have hoops might be lawful. I will ponder. Let's see what others think.

Neighbors have engaged in litigation over basketball bouncing noise over the years. I cannot say the basketball players and hoop owners always win. I think the noise is seen as not a trivial issue. I would support rules restricting playing time
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
This document appears to be an amendment to the CCRs which would require a vote of the membership. You don't have Rules and Regulations for the CCRs recorded.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
5 pages to enforce basketball hoop policy? seriously? you gotta vote that board out asap. that got some major ego problems.
What do your CCR's say about hoops? if they dont' say anythign and this policy was never voted upon by the membership then it might be illegal.

vis ta vie
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
The most significant issues I'd have with this new policy/resolution are the "registration" of one's basketball hoop on top of ARC approval and initial and recurring fees! Totally laughable and ridiculous!

Who are the fees being paid to and for what purpose? I have suspicions, but am curious what the OP knows and will find out.

Further emphasizing the ridiculousness ... why a fee for a basketball hoop on someone's personal property, but no fee for a garden, children's play set, fence installation, deck build, window replacement, or any other number of infinite improvements possible to someone's personal property (house or lot)? Unless there are fees for those things too?!?!
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Well I can't say I've ever heard of an HOA basketball tax!
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
If this permanent basketball goal is located on HOA common property, it doesnโ€™t sound unreasonable to charge you to use HOA common property for your basketball goal.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
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Posted By DeanJ on 01/25/2023 9:24 PM
If this permanent basketball goal is located on HOA common property, it doesnโ€™t sound unreasonable to charge you to use HOA common property for your basketball goal.

The attachment specifically states that no hoops are allowed on common areas so the new rule does not apply in this situation.

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