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ZoltonZ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Greetings,

Our Board of Directors is proposing a change to our CC&R’s limiting rentals. Over the past several years investor interest has increased causing the number of units occupied by renters to raise from approximately 20 to 35 percent. Under the proposal current owners would be unaffected however once their ownership interest has transferred, the new owners would be subject the new limitations. After looking at both sides of this issue, I’m unsure how to vote and am seeking views and opinions from members of this forum. Our community is 160 townhomes located in Phoenix, AZ.

Thanks All
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Zolton,
Welcome,
Exactly what will the new rental policy read? Yes, the investor issue has caused many associations to adopt new rental policies because of these "flippers" who come in, rent out their units and never do another days work for the good of the association. Renters can be good and they can be very bad. I have 2 right now so I know the meaning of being a landlord. Mine at both places are perfect gifts from heaven as tenants go. But there is an ugly side and covering the problem in your covenants is a good first step.

I , along with my Documents committee, worked for many months, writting a rental amendment that was presented to our association. It passed with flying colors which means that everyone understood it and it worked for everyone now and in the future. So send us what your Board is considering and I will try to be of help.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
ZoltonZ - Only problem I see with limiting rentals is the possibility of forcing owners to keep the unit/home unoccupied until a down market recovers, or possibly sell it at a loss (if the market takes such a downturn that they will not net get enough to cover their bottom line or initial investment). If selling the unit at a loss occurs it can have a negative effect on property values. There are good renters and bad renters, good owners and bad owners. A strong association can alleviate the bad ones with strict enforcement and good policies on notification to the association when a unit is rented.
JanP1 (Arizona)
Posts: 76
Posted:
I also would look at the revisions for exceptions for hardship and allowances for leases to members of the unit owner's family.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jan,
I just went thru an attempt to limit rental units on a property association where I own a rental.
The "Hardship" clause was added to the amendment change and was heartily voted down because of the meaning of hardship.

The association attorney said that the language of hardship could be added but he asked "What does a hardship constitute?" Needless to say, hardship is in the eyes of the beholder and who determines what it is. Does the BOD know what my hardship will be? Theirs might be way off in another direction and the term Hardship has so many meanings and is ambiguious.

We rewrote the amendment and omitted the term "hardship. We added that the unit may not be rented out UNTIL a 2 year ownership has been accrued by a single owner of title and then the unit is open to renting. We also limited leases to annual only. Families inheriting units may rent them but onily if the 2 year ownership has been reached. Also, no one may own more thatn 2 units and one must be self occupied.

The purpose of this is to prevent speculator landloards from buying these places up now that the prices have fallen enough to make them a prime target for the spec buyers.
JanP1 (Arizona)
Posts: 76
Posted:
Below you will find a copy of an adopted resolution on rental limitation.
As you now the Redbud case set most of the case history for rental limitations.

When your association has a good attorney to advise them, there is no problem with determining hardship in a manner which is relevant to the whole community. When we discussed it with the attorney, there were discussions of job transfer and death in the family. But when properties are bought by speculators, it is a business decision, it is not the board's responsibility to save people from bad business decisions.

I do like the 2 year ownership, as it comes into the capital gains issues should they sell. For more information on that people should talk to a licensed real estate professional or their tax attorney or accountant.

Hope this helps

HAPPY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION
BOARD OF DIRECTORS RESOLUTION
RE: IMPLEMENTATION AND INTERPRETATION OF RENTAL RESTRICTION

WHEREAS, on June 23, 2004, Happy Nevada Developer, LLC, a Nevada limited liability company (the “Declarant”) caused the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions for Happy Homeowners Association (the “Declaration”) to be recorded with the Clark County Recorder’s Office, in Book No. ****, as Instrument No. ****, of the Official Records of Clark County, Nevada;
WHEREAS, Article 6, Section 6.14 of the Declaration establishes lease restrictions for the Lots within the Happy development (the “Community”);
WHEREAS, Article 6, Section 6.14(c) of the Declaration reads, as follows:
No more that twenty percent (20%) of the total number of Lots in the Property shall be rented or leased at any given time, or used for any purpose other than as the primary residence of the Owner, as determined by the Board in its discretion.
WHEREAS, Article 6, Section 6.14(d) of the Declaration reads, as follows:
All leases shall be subject to Board approval, and prior to entering into any lease agreement, the Owner shall contact the Board to confirm that entering into the lease agreement does not violate the lease restrictions imposed by Section 6.14.
WHEREAS, Article 6, Section 6.14(h) of the Declaration reads, in pertinent part, as follows:
The Board is hereby empowered with the right to enforce the lease restrictions set forth in this Section 6.14 . . . . Any Owner who leases his Lot in violation of any lease restriction set forth in this Section 6.14 shall be subject to enforcement action . . . . Additionally, if a lease is entered into at a time when less than twenty percent (20%) of all the Lots in the Property are being rented or leased but is not disclosed to or discovered by the Association until after more than twenty percent (20%) of all the Lots in the Property are being rented or leased, then the Owner shall be in violation of the lease restrictions set forth in this Section 6.14 and subject to enforcement action.
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors (“Board”) desires to establish its policy for implementation and interpretation of the lease restrictions set forth in the Declaration; and
NOW, THEREFORE, be it resolved that the Board for the Association hereby adopts the following policy for the purpose of implementing and interpreting the leasing restriction contained in the Declaration:
1.Consistent with Article 6, Section 6.14(h) of the Declaration, the individual Owners are responsible for contacting the Board before leasing a Lot within the Community. The percentage of Lots that are being leased is determined based upon the records of the Association at the time of the request of the Owner. Thus, if an Owner actually leases a Lot in the Community when less than twenty percent (20%) of the Lots are being rented or leased, but the lease is not disclosed by the Owner or discovered by the Association until more than twenty percent (20%) of the Lots in the Community are being rented or lease, then the Owner of that Lot is in violation of Article 6, Section 6.14(c) of the Declaration. The purpose of this provision is to place the responsibility of disclosure of the lease on the Owner that is actually leasing the Lot. This is consistent with the responsibility of all Owners to provide a copy of the Lease to the Association.
2.For the purposes of determining whether a Lot is counted against the twenty percent (20%) limit, the Board has determined that any Lot that is not being leased, whether it is vacant or occupied sparingly by the Owners, shall not be counted toward the twenty percent (20%) limitation. The Board is interpreting the reference “primary residence of the Owner” as being a reference to the use of the Lot while the Owner is in fact within the Association. Thus, the Lot should be deemed to be Owner occupied so long as the Owner or any member of the Owner’s family occupies the Lot during the term of the year and it is not leased to any other third party during that same term.
3.For the purpose of determining whether a Lot is occupied by an Owner, the Board interprets the term “Family” to mean the Owner or any member of the Owner’s immediate family, within one (1) degree of consanguinity. Thus, a Lot that is occupied by the parents, children or siblings of the Owner, shall be deemed to be Owner occupied and will not be counted toward the number of Lots that are being leased.
4.If an Owner contacts the Association and requests the right to lease a Lot and twenty percent (20%) of the Lots are already leased, then, in the absence of a hardship exemption that may be granted pursuant to Section 6.14 (g) of the Declaration, the Owner may be added to the waiting list maintained by the Association. If an Owner on the waiting list is notified that the Owner may lease the Owner’ Lot, then the Owner shall have thirty (30) days from the date of notification to provide the Association with a copy of an executed lease agreement for the Owner’s Lot. If the Owner fails to provide the Association with a copy of the lease agreement within 30 days from the date of notification, then the Owner forfeits the right to lease the Lot and the Association will forthwith notify the next owner on the waiting list of the right to lease his or her Lot. The Owner that forfeited the right to lease his or her Lot can have his or her name added to the bottom of the waiting list.
DATED this ______ day of _______________, 2007.
HAPPY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION

ZoltonZ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for you input.

The new policy will prohibit new owners from renting their units. There is a hardship exception however hardship is not defined. thanks again.
ZoltonZ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
thanks Jan. I also like the 2 year ownership restriction.
FredA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Where I am most of the surrounding area is on the decline. The closest supermarket often has off duty police officers at the door and the local McDonalds sometimes does not easily speak or understand english. In the past neither condition existed. The local newspaper has called the area little Ohaca. Our HOA property values have declined and I heard on the news an additional 11% drop in 2008 is expected nationally.

I think that generally the values in owner occupied HOA hold up better than and are high than ones with rentals. I think that generally people want to live in a stable community. Exceptions would be college communities and low income communities where folks can not afford to own.

Many things affect HOA property values but limiting rentals would be a good first step to reducing the decline and increasing them relative to the surrounding area.

MercedesJ (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Would a limit on the lease time help? I know beach and tourist areas often want to rent daily, weekly, monthly, etc. So many buildings have a limit that the least you can rent is a monthly rental? Do you see any reason why that could not be expanded to a minimum of 6 months or 1 year lease? One HOA stated that move-in and outs often cause common area damage, dings and scratches, and it is hard to match up with who did what damage, so they have a standing rule that ALL move-ins pay $50, nothing to move-out. And of course, all residents need to be registered, with a fine for late registering, but registering is no cost if done ahead of time. When we lived in NJ, the township required a form that listed drivers license numbers and vehicle license numbers for rental residents.
ZoltonZ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredA1 on 01/06/2008 1:35 PM
Where I am most of the surrounding area is on the decline. The closest supermarket often has off duty police officers at the door and the local McDonalds sometimes does not easily speak or understand english. In the past neither condition existed. The local newspaper has called the area little Ohaca. Our HOA property values have declined and I heard on the news an additional 11% drop in 2008 is expected nationally.

I think that generally the values in owner occupied HOA hold up better than and are high than ones with rentals. I think that generally people want to live in a stable community. Exceptions would be college communities and low income communities where folks can not afford to own.

Many things affect HOA property values but limiting rentals would be a good first step to reducing the decline and increasing them relative to the surrounding area.


Fred,

Can you offer any empirical data to confirm that property values are generally increased by banning rentals within an HOA?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Zolton,
The pros and cons of having a rental ban will go on forever. Demagraphics is what will determin property decline and increases. Certain areas live on rentals as we do in many areas in S. Florida as Arizona must have the same situation. So to put all rentals in the same catagory as being the reason that properties decline in value is not substantiated anyplace.
RobertF (Florida)
Posts: 21
Posted:
DonnaS: ...."I , along with my Documents committee, worked for many months, writting a rental amendment that was presented to our association. It passed with flying colors which means that everyone understood it and it worked for everyone now and in the future."

Donna, would it possible to obtain a copy of your amendment. My association is toying with the same thought and I hate to reinvent the wheel. It sounds like you did a lot of research and gave it some thought from both sides of the issue. You are to be commended for your perseverance and willingness to complete a much needed document. We are in Southwest Florida, so whatever you have would be applicable to our regulations and laws. Thanks.
RobertF (Florida)
Posts: 21
Posted:
DonnaS: ...."I , along with my Documents committee, worked for many months, writting a rental amendment that was presented to our association. It passed with flying colors which means that everyone understood it and it worked for everyone now and in the future."

Donna, would it possible to obtain a copy of your amendment. My association is toying with the same thought and I hate to reinvent the wheel. It sounds like you did a lot of research and gave it some thought from both sides of the issue. You are to be commended for your perseverance and willingness to complete a much needed document. We are in Southwest Florida, so whatever you have would be applicable to our regulations and laws. Thanks.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,
Shall scan it in a couple of days for posting. Am away from home office but will return this weekend. We wrote it in simple English so that the 55+ crowd would have no problems understanding it. Many times when an amendement is presented to the membership (as above) even I have to scratch my head to understand what the meaning of it is.
RobertF (Florida)
Posts: 21
Posted:
DonnaS --- Thanks for your offer to scan. Many of us are in the same boat and would appreciate any guidance we can get on controlling rentals. I am looking forward to seeing what you have.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,
Below is the amendment itself. I did not scan all of the whereas of the community blah, blah, stuff as is on the, official document filed in the County. Just the actual amendment

LEASES:
Each lease entered into by an Owner shall provide and if it does not provide, it shall be deemed to provide, that; (i)the lessee thereunder shall be subject to all of the XXXXXX Documents and shall abide by and be obligated to maintain the lot and the dwelling unit to the same extent of the lessor and that failure to abide by the foregoing shall be deemed a material default under the terms of the lease; and (ii) the Association shall have the right to enforce the terms of the lease as the agent of the lessor. Notwithstanding the foregoing, an Owner who leases his lot and/or Dwelling unit shall remain liable for all the obligations set forth in the XXXXXXX Documents. Inaddition, an Owner who leases his lot and or Dwelling Unit mustsubmit to the Association an age verification form for the intended occupant(s) as more particularly set forth in Paragraph.XXXXXXX

After this amendment is recorded in the public records of XXXX County any Owner who acquires an interest in property of XXXXXXX may NOT lease, rent or lend occupancy of that residential property for a period of two (2)years.

The Board of Directors may approve one (1) exception to this restriction to anyone who acquired an ownership interest by inheritance or in the case of a verified hardship, provided that such exception may not exceed one (1) year in duration.

After an owner has acrued the two (2) year ownership, no dwelling may be rented for less than an annual/yearly lease. A limit to the number of occupants shall be restricted. Notwithstanding the foregoing, no more than four (4) people shall occupy a two (2) bedroom Dwelling Unit and no more that six(6) shall occupy a three(3) bedroom unit.

The foregoing amendment to the Declaration of Protective covenants, Restrictions and Easements for XXXXXXXX were adopted by the members by a vote sufficient for approval.
RobertF (Florida)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Thanks Donna. This makes for interesting reading and is a very strong starting point.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Our development is in transition from the builder/developer and have a new five member board. The builder was the president of our HOA since 2005 and have had control of the board for 6 years. I believe he was advised by his attorney to turn over the development due to conflict of interest. Once transition is over,we want to look into limiting rentals in our development and amending our CCR's. The builder owns and rents 14 of a 36 built homes. He has four new homes that are being built (one has sold). For the first time in years the builder has had an open house to sell the homes on the last piece of property which is considered "prime location".

The other homes he has built and not tried to sell, when completed they were rented. He has rented new townhomes that were built last year and did not try to sell any. Most rent for a year, some for six months and he never tries to sell what he owns. When a tenant moves out, another moves in. These are three bedroom townhomes (three floors with decks). Not condos.

Our CCR's state that unless we have 67 percent of the vote we cannot amend the bylaws. We can only obtain 67 percent if the remaining four homes are sold. If the builder decides to rent any of those homes we will not have the votes need. All the homeowners in the development want a limit on rentals.

We have retained an attorney to guide us through the transition. The CCR's were written in accordance with the PA condo law and it does state that the builder/developer can own and rent as many as he wants, however, I don't think it was intended or should be intended to allow the builder/developer to still have control regarding amending bylaws and don't see how that would be legal.

I would appreciate any advice on this. The Board is powerless with the builder owning 18 homes out of 40 and never achieving the 67 percent to amend any of the bylaws. Wouldn't this be considered a conflict of interest? Is this legal? I will be consulting our Board Attorney, however, would like some feedback from the group before I do so.

thank you in advance.....
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Thanks Donna ! Very helpful. We are in the process of doing this ourselves.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Fred,

If you may have noticed, the original post was from 2008. Now my association has a history of rentals to share and the results have accomplished what the amendment limiting rentals was to accomplish.

In 2007, speculators were buying up all of the homes for sale with the intent to rent them out and make some easy, good money. The above rental amendment put the spec buying to a screeching halt which was the main purpose to the rental amendment.

Renters are not all bad but owners who grab up units and never visit them again until a tenant has destroyed them or needs to be evicted was the issue. The unit that I own is a rental. It was my purchase that brought the fear of units being used as rentals that caused the HOA to create this renting restriction but I had just the right timing and with a really excellent letter from my lawyer, the HOA could not ban me from renting out my unit because of the purchase prior to the amendment.

They tried to block my rental but I fixed them really good. I got proactive with the Board, volunteered to lead a documents review committee and helped at community functions. But the deal that sealed this allo was my determination to find great tenants. Almost 6 years later, they are an active part of that community.

So the bottom line is that rentals are not an end to a good association but just a job that the owner must be diligent at control of his/her unit.
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Yes I agree. We have no more problem with rentals than we do owner occupied. Our problem is the restrictions on obtaining mortgages in associations with high rental rates. You can't get a traditional type mortgage here with more than 25% rentals. Not even the FHA wants to insure mortgages with high rental ratios.
We are a COA so that might be slightly different.

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