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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 200
Posted:
1% of our community (about 5 people out of 500 adults in our community) are trying to get me off of the Board and dishing out the grief. Just wondering how long I should take it before giving in (quitting) or lashing out? Any legal recourse for the grief?

I didn't join the Board to become a public figure. I frankly make a terrible public figure. I simply joined to spend some volunteer time to fix up our community and here we are today.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
Posted:
I am not on a board, but if I were and I saw grievance being hashed out among various groups, I would try to get at the heart of the problem and then get those groups to discuss it openly.

For example, there is a strife in my small community. Based on my observation, I think the root problem is there is a faction of people who do not want restrictions enforced and a faction that does, and then a large majority that does not get involved. In that situation, if I were on the board, I would discuss and get the board to vote on making that a public agenda point of the next annual meeting. If the board went along with that, I would put on the agenda "does membership want restrictions enforced or does it want them ignored" forcing those two faction, and more importantly the majority not involved to determine as a group how they want the community run in regards to restrictions and then adopt policy on that outcome.

I suspect something similar is eating at most communities, but perhaps yours has a different root problem. Whatever it is, I would think steering that debate into a public discussion would be therapeutic for the association and more productive than selective, passive-aggressive snipping by those factions outside of meetings.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
I get very little, but the HOA membership is pretty apathetic. In the first few months there was some online complaints that the board was not being transparent, didn't do anything, etc. but the reality is the entire board was new and just getting started. Once we/I started a new website, newsletters, Social media post, etc. the original people have not complained since.

if they are complaining online the easies thing is to simply log off of facebook for half a year or longer. you might miss it in the beginning, but latter on its fine.

vis ta vie
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 01/12/2023 8:01 AM
I am not on a board, but if I were and I saw grievance being hashed out among various groups, I would try to get at the heart of the problem and then get those groups to discuss it openly.

For example, there is a strife in my small community. Based on my observation, I think the root problem is there is a faction of people who do not want restrictions enforced and a faction that does, and then a large majority that does not get involved. In that situation, if I were on the board, I would discuss and get the board to vote on making that a public agenda point of the next annual meeting. If the board went along with that, I would put on the agenda "does membership want restrictions enforced or does it want them ignored" forcing those two faction, and more importantly the majority not involved to determine as a group how they want the community run in regards to restrictions and then adopt policy on that outcome.

I suspect something similar is eating at most communities, but perhaps yours has a different root problem. Whatever it is, I would think steering that debate into a public discussion would be therapeutic for the association and more productive than selective, passive-aggressive snipping by those factions outside of meetings.

this is so true of our HOA. Small groups of people trying to control the resitrctions. Vast majority doesnt' give a crap.

vis ta vie
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Form what you've written over time, You've been vey instrumental is helping improve your community. As she,one who's defined themself as shy, it seems you'd prefer a certain amount of saying behind the scene. But as Board presidents, you must be visible.

IMO, anyone who does a whole lot of work in a situation like you do, even with positive results, will become a target. I'd appt of the price of "fame," even within the context of your HOA. Put another way, if a handful is complaining, you're probably doing good, useful, productive work.

I'm thinking you do not want to lash out. You're seeking reelection tot he Board and "asking out," i.e. counter attacks, won't help you. Do you want to share exactly what kind of "grief" the former prez, who's a lawyer, an her tiny group of cronies are dishing out?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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First, define grief. People don't have to agree with what you do, but should be able to express themselves in an adult manner - perhaps the problem is YOU don't like people saying they disagree. By now you should have grown a backbone for that. As I said in another conversation, people are messy and you will get all kinds in any neighborhood, HOA or otherwise. You can't always control what they think, say or do, so focus on how you'll respond. Sometimes people say what they say just to get on your nerves and just HATE it when you don't respond in kind (and it's fun to watch them fume!)

Then, there's a matter of "majoring in the minors," and that may be what you're doing. If so, you should stop it - if 50% of the community were yelling about you, that would be an issue, but 5 people out of 500? Why obsess about that - you'll never get 100% approval of anything, so if the vast majority like what you're doing, let these people scream and shout. If they want you gone, they still have to convince a majority, and I would hope people would take a long look at what you're trying to do and weigh that against what the attorney did when she was president vs. what's going on now. If they want constant chaos, they'll vote for her, but if not, they'll vote for you.

Regarding legal recourse, it's one thing if these people are publishing complete lies about you (saying they don't like you isn't the same thing). Has your life turned upside down since all this started? By that, are people coming up to you screaming about something they heard these people said and they've come thisclose to slapping you into next week or tried to do it? That's when the legal recourse comes into play, so talk to your private attorney about your options. In short, if there's a personal threat to you, your family or your property, or the untrue staff is affecting your professional life or ability to have quiet enjoyment of your home, that's when you may take other action.

Finally, make up your mind as to whether you want to stay on the board or not. As I recall from another conversation, you stepped down as president, but if you're still unhappy, you can choose to run again or not to. It's about YOU deciding when enough's enough, not us because we don't live in your community. More importantly, it's about your peace of mind. As a board member you do the best you can with what you have, but sooner or later everything ends. I know you don't want to feel you've been run off the board, but you're not a punching bag. If these folks keep saying they can do a better job, let them. There is such a thing as being careful what you wish for - you may get it, so if you'd rather step down, do it and don't look back. If you like, feel free to give these people several pieces of your mind about the last two or three years, acknowledge everything didn't go exactly as you hoped, but you did the damned thing and the community IS better for it.
No, they won't like what you say, but once you leave the board, what else can they do - they got what they wanted, didn't they?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Buddy,

You don't know what grief is. I made the immediate choice to move out of the community and never to live in an HOA again. Fool me once, shame on me.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 01/12/2023 7:51 AM
1% of our community (about 5 people out of 500 adults in our community) are trying to get me off of the Board and dishing out the grief. Just wondering how long I should take it before giving in (quitting) or lashing out? Any legal recourse for the grief?

I didn't join the Board to become a public figure. I frankly make a terrible public figure. I simply joined to spend some volunteer time to fix up our community and here we are today.

Consider urself lucky. 1% not liking you is a very low number. Even if you were the best HOA President ever known, there will be some that do not like you.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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HOAs and their boards seem to be favorite targets of the folks who thrive on conflict. I think it's unreasonable to expect that you'll never have to deal with them, and I recommend taking a "no drama" approach. Brief, bland, boring: just the facts, no back and forth arguing. You need to remove the emotional payoff they get from the conflict. If our troublemakers think I'm the dullest person who's ever lived, that's a win. You're essentially modifying their behavior by controlling your own.

My other rule of thumb is that I won't respond to uncivil behavior out of anybody. I expect adults to be able to carry on a conversation without it deteriorating, and I'll walk away until people get the message. That said, there are people who won't ever get the message for whatever reason. You'll have to decide whether or not you're willing to have them in your life on their terms.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I was taught a long time ago... They can not eat you...

Stand your ground. Realize it is not you but the situation. Breath. Take a break. Respond later if necessary with the facts. If someone can not take a breather and a fact check then the problem is not you. Do not take it personally.

Also I find those with the attitude of hating the job or being in management type position should not be there. You either accept the position and all it's duties or you respect the one that does.

Former HOA President
JeJ1 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I just don't understand why I am a punching bag (for one resident). I try so hard. He attempts to throw me under the bus and twist the facts around.

This is volunteer and I try to remember that. My only concern is that I live in this building and don't want the negativity to spread.

I tried to bow out of this position. No one wants to do this job. We also have some major work to be done in collaboration with the master association (we are a sub). I want to make sure we are not taken advantage of as we have in the past.

Love this group!
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By JeJ1 on 01/14/2023 10:26 AM
I just don't understand why I am a punching bag (for one resident). I try so hard. He attempts to throw me under the bus and twist the facts around.

This is volunteer and I try to remember that. My only concern is that I live in this building and don't want the negativity to spread.

I tried to bow out of this position. No one wants to do this job. We also have some major work to be done in collaboration with the master association (we are a sub). I want to make sure we are not taken advantage of as we have in the past.

Love this group!

Keep in mind that this has almost nothing to do with what you're doing. It's because of your position. If you resigned tomorrow, he would almost certainly ignore you completely and go after another board member. It's how these people behave, and hard as it may be to do, you can't take it personally.

True story: when I ran for the board years ago, there were a few people who were part of the group supporting me. Once I was elected, I became the enemy - and once I was no longer on the board, they were perfectly friendly again. If you're not prepared for that, you'll be thinking "what the heck just happened?"

Our association's attorneys refer to those folks as "vocational dissidents" because their goal is to create conflict and controversy. The trouble makers may also target the community manager, although this seems to be less common. Some of the training sessions that the attorneys provide for board members include guidelines for dealing with vocational dissidents and not allowing them to derail the board's work. Controlling how you respond to them can go a long way in making the conflict less interesting to them.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/14/2023 11:00 AM
Posted By JeJ1 on 01/14/2023 10:26 AM
I just don't understand why I am a punching bag (for one resident). I try so hard. He attempts to throw me under the bus and twist the facts around.

This is volunteer and I try to remember that. My only concern is that I live in this building and don't want the negativity to spread.

I tried to bow out of this position. No one wants to do this job. We also have some major work to be done in collaboration with the master association (we are a sub). I want to make sure we are not taken advantage of as we have in the past.

Love this group!


Keep in mind that this has almost nothing to do with what you're doing. It's because of your position. If you resigned tomorrow, he would almost certainly ignore you completely and go after another board member. It's how these people behave, and hard as it may be to do, you can't take it personally.

True story: when I ran for the board years ago, there were a few people who were part of the group supporting me. Once I was elected, I became the enemy - and once I was no longer on the board, they were perfectly friendly again. If you're not prepared for that, you'll be thinking "what the heck just happened?"

Our association's attorneys refer to those folks as "vocational dissidents" because their goal is to create conflict and controversy. The trouble makers may also target the community manager, although this seems to be less common. Some of the training sessions that the attorneys provide for board members include guidelines for dealing with vocational dissidents and not allowing them to derail the board's work. Controlling how you respond to them can go a long way in making the conflict less interesting to them.

Well said. I refer to those types as CCO. Chief Complaining Officer.
BrettH3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 47
Posted:
I’ve been president for six years and I’m not running again . There are two big mouths who trash everything I do; if I tell you that the sun will rise in the morning they will literally argue against it at the monthly meetings. We had an annual meeting and one board member who had been appointed to fill a vacancy was not elected because one resident got absentee proxy ballots from several of homeowners. Now this ex-board member who was not elected, has gone door-to-door in our neighborhood, trashing me. I worked my ass off for this neighborhood and understand not everybody will be happy, but the kindergarten behavior of some homeowners is more than I want to deal with.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By BrettH3 on 01/19/2023 5:13 PM
I’ve been president for six years and I’m not running again . There are two big mouths who trash everything I do; if I tell you that the sun will rise in the morning they will literally argue against it at the monthly meetings. We had an annual meeting and one board member who had been appointed to fill a vacancy was not elected because one resident got absentee proxy ballots from several of homeowners. Now this ex-board member who was not elected, has gone door-to-door in our neighborhood, trashing me. I worked my ass off for this neighborhood and understand not everybody will be happy, but the kindergarten behavior of some homeowners is more than I want to deal with.

Vocational Dissident (ranting in board meeting): "He's WRONG!! The sun will not rise in the morning - it will rise at night or it will not rise at all or maybe in the afternoon, one of those things. He's an idiot to say the sun will rise in the morning1"

You (deadpan, bland and boring): "Thank you for your comments. Moving on to the next topic..."
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 200
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Posted By BrettH3 on 01/19/2023 5:13 PM
I’ve been president for six years and I’m not running again . There are two big mouths who trash everything I do; if I tell you that the sun will rise in the morning they will literally argue against it at the monthly meetings. We had an annual meeting and one board member who had been appointed to fill a vacancy was not elected because one resident got absentee proxy ballots from several of homeowners. Now this ex-board member who was not elected, has gone door-to-door in our neighborhood, trashing me. I worked my ass off for this neighborhood and understand not everybody will be happy, but the kindergarten behavior of some homeowners is more than I want to deal with.

It's how I feel this year. I'd write more but for privacy I will not be.

I will say that I hope we never go through this again.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Funny story... Halloween one year I had left my new used car parked on the street by my house. That day I had volunteered for winterizing homes, threw a neighborhood party, and went to work. A friend convinced me to go to a party afterwards. Needless to say I was exhausted and wearing stilletos. Was not drunk but had a couple drinks...

I wake up next morning with a few phone calls. It is about a car parked nearly in middle of the street! I snuck out of the house and parked it in my driveway. Somehow I had managed to park the car about 5 feet from the curb!

People were not too happy with my example...

Former HOA President

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