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ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
We are an Florida HOA of homes.

Our roads and streets are private and the previous board did not want to sign an agreement with the city to enforce traffic laws.

We now have a growing problem with people (kids) riding mini bikes and low rider powered vehicles on HOA streets, sidewalks and on private property. These vehicles do not require any type of driver's license.

Traffic laws and even common courtesy is not being followed and there is a growing concern that one days someone will run over one of these bikes with a car / truck.

These powered bikes have no lights and are no easily visible.

More than once accidents were only averted by a diligent driver.

Can the HOA develop and enforce safety rules and traffic restrictions without doing covenant changes and votes by all homeowners? I would suspect that only penalty would be a fine against the homeowner.

Has any other HOA dealt with this problem?

Thanks

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the Board, Art? Generally, the CC&Rs (declaration, covenants) gibe the board th authority to make rules do yours?

If so, yes, just make some rues about this problem. I think this might be the kind of topic where you'd like owners feedback on a survey or Town Hall meeting. It seems there'd be more than one rule involved and, yes, you'd also want to make a fining schedule.
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Not on the board but I do advise the board on a number of issues

I do sit on the ARB and the Fining Committee

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
The Board needs to determine if this is a problem that they should deal with. We have private roads, but our local police still patrol our streets as part of their service.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By ArtB1 on 01/11/2023 12:37 PM

Our roads and streets are private and the previous board did not want to sign an agreement with the city to enforce traffic laws.


Nothing prevents the current board from signing such an agreement.

Signing a similar agreement is what my previous Association did.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
what will the city do? come out and give a ticket to a 7 y.o?
we put in speed bumps that greatly reduced people's speed and mad ethe rds ssafer.

vis ta vie
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Tim and Kerry said.

If some of these kids live in the community and you know who they are, you might send a letter to all of those households, advising the board is looking at ways to sanction people who don't operate these things safely, so they've been warned. In my community we adopted the city and county traffic and parking rules as community rules, and that gave the police authority to come in and ticket people as needed. We also have off duty police officers as our security officers - they don't come through 24/7, but will make periodic drive-throughs and address things like cars with expired tags. So you should definitely look into getting that agreement signed with the police department if it's still possible to do so.

If you want to adopt the city traffic rules as your own, you may be able to do that through a board resolution - have your attorney check the documents to see if it's allowed.

You could also write something on your website or newsletter (preferably both), asking people to notify the board when they see this - time and date stamped photos are especially nice. You will also need the names of the witnesses in case this gets escalated to some sort of legal action.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 01/11/2023 2:08 PM
If some of these kids live in the community and you know who they are, you might send a letter to all of those households, advising the board is looking at ways to sanction people who don't operate these things safely, so they've been warned.
Surely the letter should be sent to all owners in the HOA, and not just those owners who have children. Singling out the households with kids is a recipe for a fair housing complaint.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We are a Florida HOA with private roads and our sheriff's deputy regularly tickets people for running stop signs on our parkway. The board can adopt rules and regulations to limit the types of vehicles being used on the roads. For example, we have a golf cart policy where we require all golf carts to be registered and all drivers must be over 16 and licensed. Our rules also prohibit motorcycles (we actually don't enforce that one) but if we were having a problem with mini bikes or other vehicles we could adopt rules on that.

Just because you have private roads doesn't mean you have no power. I personally would call the police or sheriff's department and ask for advice. Our fire marshall actually volunteered to ticket and tow vehicles that park in front of a fire hydrant by our pickleball courts! We find our local departments want to help us!
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Thanks to all.

I have a meeting with our President this weekend and plan on discussing as well as the solutions suggested

Will advise what our Board decides.

ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
So our Board met last night and I brought up this issue.

While they agree that something needs to be done, they also recognize that kids will be kids and we cant regulate fun.

Those of us who are old enough to remember, we all had big wheels and rode those with wild abandon.

But technology has surpassed common sense.

Do any of your HOA's have rules about mini bikes, etc?

Thanks

ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
So our Board met last night and I brought up this issue.

While they agree that something needs to be done, they also recognize that kids will be kids and we cant regulate fun.

Those of us who are old enough to remember, we all had big wheels and rode those with wild abandon.

But technology has surpassed common sense.

Do any of your HOA's have rules about mini bikes, etc?

Thanks

ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
So our Board met last night and I brought up this issue.

While they agree that something needs to be done, they also recognize that kids will be kids and we cant regulate fun.

Those of us who are old enough to remember, we all had big wheels and rode those with wild abandon.

But technology has surpassed common sense.

Do any of your HOA's have rules about mini bikes, etc?

Thanks

ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
sorry for triple post. Is there a way to delete?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It's true kids will be kids - but kids don't have the same judgement and impulse controls as adults (we were all young and stupid and fortunately we're still here to learn from our mistakes!)That's why you strike a balance between having fun and making sure the kids and the people around them don't get hurt.

How about checking what your city or county says about mini bikes and adopt their rules, e,g. no riding on the sidewalks? They can be adopted via a board resolution with an effective date. You'll also need to explain to everyone how it will be enforced with appeal rights. I might add parents will be held responsible for the action of the kids (shouldn't be any fair housing issues there because everyone's subject a violation notice.

PS- don't accept anonymous complaints on this. These may very well wind up as taking legal action, so you'll need witnesses. A few complaints may really be a dispute between neighbors which I think the board should usually stay out of. As you review complaints, you'll figure out the difference.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think it will be a hard thing to enforce. Depending on how your HOA is set up property wise many accidents may fall into the individuals home policy. Meaning that a kid impales themselves on a tree stump in a yard, that owner of the yard may be responsible. If the HOA owns the property, it then may be a HOA claim.

Having a rule does not do much if do not have anything about how it is punished. If I ride a motorbike on the common area, what consequence befalls me? Just saying no motorcycle on common area does what? Will that help protect in an insurance or lawsuit claim?

It may fall into a crime area like vandalism if damage is incurred. A police report may be needed. May not catch the offender but it may help cover the damage or prosecute when caught

Talk to insurance to see what if any of having these rules in place protects the HOA or individuals.

Former HOA President
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/19/2023 7:12 AM
It's true kids will be kids - but kids don't have the same judgement and impulse controls as adults (we were all young and stupid and fortunately we're still here to learn from our mistakes!)That's why you strike a balance between having fun and making sure the kids and the people around them don't get hurt.

How about checking what your city or county says about mini bikes and adopt their rules, e,g. no riding on the sidewalks? They can be adopted via a board resolution with an effective date. You'll also need to explain to everyone how it will be enforced with appeal rights. I might add parents will be held responsible for the action of the kids (shouldn't be any fair housing issues there because everyone's subject a violation notice.

PS- don't accept anonymous complaints on this. These may very well wind up as taking legal action, so you'll need witnesses. A few complaints may really be a dispute between neighbors which I think the board should usually stay out of. As you review complaints, you'll figure out the difference.

The city has no rules on this topic
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/19/2023 7:30 AM
I think it will be a hard thing to enforce. Depending on how your HOA is set up property wise many accidents may fall into the individuals home policy. Meaning that a kid impales themselves on a tree stump in a yard, that owner of the yard may be responsible. If the HOA owns the property, it then may be a HOA claim.

Having a rule does not do much if do not have anything about how it is punished. If I ride a motorbike on the common area, what consequence befalls me? Just saying no motorcycle on common area does what? Will that help protect in an insurance or lawsuit claim?

It may fall into a crime area like vandalism if damage is incurred. A police report may be needed. May not catch the offender but it may help cover the damage or prosecute when caught

Talk to insurance to see what if any of having these rules in place protects the HOA or individuals.

It goes without saying that there should be no riding on the private property of others. The parents of the kids should be held responsible.

We do not want to eliminate the motors scooters..... just want them ridden safely.

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