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KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Recently a member challenged the manner in which our 2022 monthly assessment was increased. Admittedly, our HOA was poorly self-managed and naive about the rules and more recent changes to the Davis-Stirling Act. The member questioned how the monthly assessment was increased for 2022 over 20% without an inspector of elections or secret balloting.

Only recently have we contracted with a community management company and the increase in monthly assessments was specifically to cover the cost of that. As our agent for service they received a letter challenging the manner in which the election was conducted to increase the 2022 monthly assessment. We were already in the process of drafting the 2023 annual budget with proper notification of the monthly assessment being increased again effective 2023. Our community manager after reviewing what documentation we do have and our financials informed us that the increase the board had approved for 2023 exceeded 20% as well even if our 2022 assessment increase had been conducted properly. We had already sent out 1st class mail to the owners of the 2023 budget and monthly assessment increase when it was discovered the 2023 increase was over 20%.

Our community manager had legal review everything and we were told that our 2023 increase had to be voted upon and that the member who was challenging the 2022 increase was legally correct and advised us to also put to a vote retroactively increasing the monthly assessment. We hired an election company that sent our ballots to the owners and were unable to get a quorum. We extended the election and resent out ballots to those that had not voted. We still didn't get a quorum. With the ballots we also sent a neutral and vague letter explaining why we were retroactively asking for the owners to approve the assessment increase and also asking for the owners to vote to approve another increase for 2023. The letter also said that we would issue refunds for the increase of the assessments in 2022 if the owners didn't vote to retroactively increase. Since we didn't get a quorum, can we avoid refunding the owners? We don't have the funds to do so without a special assessment against the owners. One of the other board members that's new to our HOA suggested contacting our insurance. I've lived here for over 25 years, most of it I've spend on the board in various capacities. We have never had a claim on our insurance and I don't think that would be a good thing for us now.

Has anyone else ever experienced a similar situation?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
First, in order to increase monthly assessments beyond 20% California Statues require a secret ballot election. It appears the increase in 2022 was illegal and thus should be returned to the owners. Where you find the money is on the Board. Don't, and you can open yourself to a legal challenge, which your insurance company may or may not cover.

As a management company, I see this all the time with self-managed associations.
KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your insight. We already spent the money and don't have it to return without nearly emptying the account. It would be cheaper if we didn't refund rather than impose a higher special assessment to make up the refund we issued. We hired this management company to help us straighten out our records and to deal with this owner that objected to the 2022 increase. Since we had no quorum for this election to retroactively raise the assessments, can we hold another without refunding the owners? Or can the board retroactively increase up to 19.9% and issue a .01% refund for 2022?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
you want to retroactively change to 19.9% WTH!!!!!
you honestly think thats gonna pass the court of public opinion?

by your logic a board can raise the dues 40% and then retroactivley refund 20.1% with a mea culpa!

contact your insurance company, see what they say and report back. that's gonna be the most honest way out of this mess the board created. Also ask for all board members involved in this to resign and find people more competent to be playing games with others hard earned money.

vis ta vie
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am of the opinion you never return special assessments or increases in dues. It's just bad math and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Makes it harder next time to get the money the HOA needs. Which by the way a HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. So did this "special assessment" go directly to HOA projects/Needs? It wasn't to cover any "fluff" project some board member wanted? There is a difference between needing money to replace a pool pump versus painting the inside of a clubhouse to blue from pink... One is functional need and the other superficial.

Unfortunately, your HOA spent the money. I would not do anything "retractively" as much as correcting the present. Meaning saying "mia culpa" and working toward the correct process. Which at this point is to raise the funds to cover the special assessment from last year.

Former HOA President
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
you can also look into grants. our HOA is looking to get over $10K from the city this year.
public improvement projects like parks, community gardens, turning mowed grass into native meadows or planting with trees are all ways that an HOA improves the environment and reduces it's bottom line. We even plan to dial back water usage and use some organic fertilizers to keep the grass healthy.

vis ta vie
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA getting a grant? Sounds too fishy for me... I do not agree with a HOA getting grant monies. That is just my opinion.

Former HOA President
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/11/2023 5:43 AM
A HOA getting a grant? Sounds too fishy for me... I do not agree with a HOA getting grant monies. That is just my opinion.

everything sounds fishy to you. unbelievable. you don't believe in an HOA getting free money from the government. Try to stay on the topic of how to help this HOA fix thier money problems.

vis ta vie
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/11/2023 5:43 AM
A HOA getting a grant? Sounds too fishy for me... I do not agree with a HOA getting grant monies. That is just my opinion.

Thank you for your well informed fact based opinion. You are a wealth of knowledge.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/11/2023 4:43 AM
I am of the opinion you never return special assessments or increases in dues. It's just bad math and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Makes it harder next time to get the money the HOA needs. Which by the way a HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. So did this "special assessment" go directly to HOA projects/Needs? It wasn't to cover any "fluff" project some board member wanted? There is a difference between needing money to replace a pool pump versus painting the inside of a clubhouse to blue from pink... One is functional need and the other superficial.

Unfortunately, your HOA spent the money. I would not do anything "retractively" as much as correcting the present. Meaning saying "mia culpa" and working toward the correct process. Which at this point is to raise the funds to cover the special assessment from last year.



I might also call for a special meeting where this board can further explain itself, along with complete and accurate financial information explaining why the increase was necessary. No one likes increases, but if your expenses demonstrate an increase is necessary, the homeowners may have to make some heavy decisions on services if they don't want to pay.

Once you get the explanation - the homeowners may also need to discuss whether they want to continue with these people on the board. If not, you'll need a recall vote, along with people ready and willing to take over - and one may need to be the OP.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am sorry you can not Google HOA and grants. My opinion is stated. You form your own.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kris

As I understand it you raised your 2022 dues higher then you were allowed to do. Now your are considering a dues raise for 2023. I would consider admitting a mistake was made in calculating the 2022 dues thus the increase was 1%?? higher then it should have been. The BOD was planning a 20%?? increase for 2023 and to correct our error on the 2022 dues, we will be increasing the 2023 dues by 19%??. Mea culpa.
KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you everyone for your responses.

To give a little more information, we held a meeting at the end of 2022 to vote by acclamation a 30% monthly assessment increase to hire a management company. Some of the owners were not happy as the money wasn't going towards repairs or reserves. The 30% increase was passed at that meeting despite some objections. The president of our HOA then noticed that we had to vote by secret ballot so we quickly made some ballots and mailed them to the owners the next day and asked them to be mailed back to us a week later by New Years.

We opened what ballots we did receive back and more voted in favor of it than not. We raised the monthly assessment effective 2022 the 30% and hired the management company. Now we have tried to raise the monthly assessment again after we received a letter from some of the owners challenging the 2022 increase. Our management company has informed us none of what we have done is allowed and their legal department advised us to send out more secret ballots to retroactively raise the monthly assessment so we can keep the money.

Some of the owners have been asking us for a refund for 2022, we have not answered them as we didn't have a quorum to refund or raise the monthly assessment for 2023. I'm not sure if we are obligated to refund the owners or how we go about keeping this money or getting it back? We need it to pay the management company. We told the management company to deal with the owners but they said its our responsibility to answer them. So far, no one has wrote back to the owners that contacted us a week ago regarding a refund. I was just going to ignore them but now one of them has started saying they were going to file a theft report with the local police department because the amount we took is over $950.

Can the board retroactively approve a 19.9% increase and issue a refund for the remaining amount since we didn't get a quorum?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KrisH1 on 01/11/2023 3:32 PM

Can the board retroactively approve a 19.9% increase and issue a refund for the remaining amount since we didn't get a quorum?

no that is ridiculous. contact your insurance and see what they say. count your blessing if they cover the BOD"s incompetence. a 30% raise over 1 year? talk about mismanagement.

vis ta vie
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/11/2023 4:55 PM
Posted By KrisH1 on 01/11/2023 3:32 PM

Can the board retroactively approve a 19.9% increase and issue a refund for the remaining amount since we didn't get a quorum?


no that is ridiculous. contact your insurance and see what they say. count your blessing if they cover the BOD"s incompetence. a 30% raise over 1 year? talk about mismanagement.

Really, mismanagement. How little do you know about HOA business?

For example, we don't know how many units are in KrisH's complex, let's say 20. I charge $10.00 a door for single family detached and $15.00 a door for a townhome or condo. But my minimum is $480.00 per association or $24.00 a door. So going from a self-managed HOA to one professionally managed and also with the consideration with inflation kicking in, an increase of 30% is NOT mismanagement, it is the cost of doing business.

Think you should stick to North Carolina business.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Kris, Max is the CA expert here and Wendy does' even know NC law let alone our complicated davis-stirling statutes. And there are strict rules for elections. does your HOA have election rules as retired by CA statutes, Kris?

I think it's time for your board to check with your own HOA attorney. IMO, an HOA board should never rely on the opinion of "legal" in the MC's company.

bte, how much refund are these few owners demanding? Under 1%?

Say, what size is your HOA, Kris? condos, or?
KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Our 2022 increase didn't go into effect until after March and the increase we were asking for in 2023 exceeded our actual 2022 budget. We are asking for more than a 50% increase in less than a 12 month period which is why we were advised by legal to put both the retroactive increase and future increase to a vote. Some of the 2023 assessment increase is to pay the increasing management costs. We are going from $80 per door to about $95 per door. We are a small association with less than 30 residences.

Max, you mentioned it's on us the board to figure out where to get the money if we have to refund the owners. Could we impose a special assessment to recoup the money without being liable ourselves for why we are imposing the special assessment? I was on the board when these things occurred in 2022 and wasn't really knowledgeable about the changes to the law. I don't want to be personally liable for this myself either.
KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We had adopted the new election rules when the improper 2022 vote took place, we didn't completely understand them though at the time which is why we are here now. The owners are demanding the entire amount of the increase of the monthly assessment since it went into effect less than 12 months ago. It comes out to about 1/3 of our annual budget and has already been spent on the management company.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
But, whose "legal," Kris? The HOA's? Or the MC's ?
KrisH1 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
It's an HOA law firm in the Bay Area, not the in house legal department of management company.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/11/2023 6:26 PM
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/11/2023 4:55 PM
Posted By KrisH1 on 01/11/2023 3:32 PM

Can the board retroactively approve a 19.9% increase and issue a refund for the remaining amount since we didn't get a quorum?


no that is ridiculous. contact your insurance and see what they say. count your blessing if they cover the BOD"s incompetence. a 30% raise over 1 year? talk about mismanagement.


Really, mismanagement. How little do you know about HOA business?

For example, we don't know how many units are in KrisH's complex, let's say 20. I charge $10.00 a door for single family detached and $15.00 a door for a townhome or condo. But my minimum is $480.00 per association or $24.00 a door. So going from a self-managed HOA to one professionally managed and also with the consideration with inflation kicking in, an increase of 30% is NOT mismanagement, it is the cost of doing business.

Think you should stick to North Carolina business.

by that logic, anything the board does in violation of the HOA"s docs is justified. if the BOD is too lazy to read the maximum increase per year, they should resign. It's the cost of being ignorant.

vis ta vie
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/12/2023 8:41 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/11/2023 6:26 PM
Posted By WendyM5 on 01/11/2023 4:55 PM
Posted By KrisH1 on 01/11/2023 3:32 PM

Can the board retroactively approve a 19.9% increase and issue a refund for the remaining amount since we didn't get a quorum?


no that is ridiculous. contact your insurance and see what they say. count your blessing if they cover the BOD"s incompetence. a 30% raise over 1 year? talk about mismanagement.


Really, mismanagement. How little do you know about HOA business?

For example, we don't know how many units are in KrisH's complex, let's say 20. I charge $10.00 a door for single family detached and $15.00 a door for a townhome or condo. But my minimum is $480.00 per association or $24.00 a door. So going from a self-managed HOA to one professionally managed and also with the consideration with inflation kicking in, an increase of 30% is NOT mismanagement, it is the cost of doing business.

Think you should stick to North Carolina business.


by that logic, anything the board does in violation of the HOA"s docs is justified. if the BOD is too lazy to read the maximum increase per year, they should resign. It's the cost of being ignorant.

Were you looking in your own mirror?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
This is such a dilemma, Kris. I wish we could be of more help. I think Shelia's ideas look good. but you'd better follow your HOA attorney' advice. And your D&O insurance agent's advice too.

Please ignore Windy. He's a very unkind person.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
yeah ignore free government grants
ignore your bylaw's limits on raising dues
just do what you want, I'm sure it will work out somehow, though perhaps not in a good way.

vis ta vie

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