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TristaJ (Texas)
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Trista from Texas under TPC 209.

Our bylaws state we should have 5 board members. If we only have four, does that mean we don't meet quorum of board members?
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TristaJ on 01/06/2023 11:27 AM
Trista from Texas under TPC 209.

Our bylaws state we should have 5 board members. If we only have four, does that mean we don't meet quorum of board members?



Quorum is simply a majority - it could be 51% or s specific number, usually an odd one. In your case, you're fine, as you're only missing one board member. At a minimum, I'd expect three people to show up so they can vote on association business.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Trista

A Quorum for 5 is 3. A Quorum for 6 is 4. A Quorum for 7 is 4. A Quorum for 8 is 5.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
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I was pretty sure quorum is required number of people to be present at a meeting in order to conduct business, as defined by documents. It doesn't necessarily have to be the majority. Likely it is in most cases, but if the governing documents say that 2 of 5 is quorum, so be it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 01/06/2023 1:09 PM
I was pretty sure quorum is required number of people to be present at a meeting in order to conduct business, as defined by documents. It doesn't necessarily have to be the majority. Likely it is in most cases, but if the governing documents say that 2 of 5 is quorum, so be it.

Typically a Quorum is a majority unless otherwise specified in ones Bylaws. As far as BOD's go I have never seen Bylaws saying a Quorum of less then 50% but there might be some.
KerryL1 (California)
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Yes, a quorum is whatever the governing docs, usually the Bylaws, say it is. Usually it's a majority as MichelT notes. What do your bylaws say, Trista? I think my CA corporations codes even states what quorum is for a board meeting is. Maybe yours do too.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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I've seen many governing docs that require less than a majority at the annual meeting. For example, we only need 20%. Other communities may require a majority to start with but then drop the percentage if the community failed to achieve quorum on the first attempt.

I've never seen any that required less than a majority of directors to conduct business at a board meeting.
MaxB4
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I'm not sure what people are talking about here, board or member meetings.

If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 10:16 AM
I'm not sure what people are talking about here, board or member meetings.

If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present.

That method only works for certain numbers. You need to divide the number that should be on the board and round up to the next whole number.

Example: a 7-person board (large community), 3 directors resign (squabbling community), but the 4 remaining directors form a quorum. If you take those 4 and add 1, a majority of 5 is 3. Wrong result.

MaxB4
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/07/2023 11:05 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 10:16 AM
I'm not sure what people are talking about here, board or member meetings.

If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present.


That method only works for certain numbers. You need to divide the number that should be on the board and round up to the next whole number.

Example: a 7-person board (large community), 3 directors resign (squabbling community), but the 4 remaining directors form a quorum. If you take those 4 and add 1, a majority of 5 is 3. Wrong result.


Wrong answer.

The quorum is always going to be 4, unless the number of directors is either increased or decreased legally.
KerryL1 (California)
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I think there's a contradiction in this reply, Max? "If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present."

I agree with your next response.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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If the Bylaws specify 5 Directors, then the quorum would be 3.
This is regardless if the seats are filled or empty.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 11:09 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/07/2023 11:05 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 10:16 AM
I'm not sure what people are talking about here, board or member meetings.

If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present.


That method only works for certain numbers. You need to divide the number that should be on the board and round up to the next whole number.

Example: a 7-person board (large community), 3 directors resign (squabbling community), but the 4 remaining directors form a quorum. If you take those 4 and add 1, a majority of 5 is 3. Wrong result.



Wrong answer.

The quorum is always going to be 4, unless the number of directors is either increased or decreased legally.

That was my point. If I followed what I think your instructions said using my example of a 7-member board with 3 resignations (quote: "if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present"), then I look at the quorum of the remaining 4 directors in my example, which yields 3 - which, as you point out, is incorrect.

How would you determine quorum if your 5-person board lost 2 members?
MaxB4
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/07/2023 12:52 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 11:09 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 01/07/2023 11:05 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/07/2023 10:16 AM
I'm not sure what people are talking about here, board or member meetings.

If it's Board, a quorum is a majority of the number that is supposed to be on the Board, not the actual number that is still on the Board. For example, if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present.


That method only works for certain numbers. You need to divide the number that should be on the board and round up to the next whole number.

Example: a 7-person board (large community), 3 directors resign (squabbling community), but the 4 remaining directors form a quorum. If you take those 4 and add 1, a majority of 5 is 3. Wrong result.



Wrong answer.

The quorum is always going to be 4, unless the number of directors is either increased or decreased legally.


That was my point. If I followed what I think your instructions said using my example of a 7-member board with 3 resignations (quote: "if there is supposed to be a board of five and one resigned, a quorum is the majority of four, or three present"), then I look at the quorum of the remaining 4 directors in my example, which yields 3 - which, as you point out, is incorrect.

How would you determine quorum if your 5-person board lost 2 members?

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CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Then why mention the remaining 4 directors in your original explanation? They don't come into the calculation at all..
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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I think what Max is saying is if your Bylaws call for a BOD of 5 then 3 are needed for Quorum regardless of home many are on the BOD. Our Bylaws say a BOD of 3 to 7 so though we prefer 5, we have run as low as 3 with 2 of the 3 being a Quorum.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/07/2023 1:11 PM
I think what Max is saying is if your Bylaws call for a BOD of 5 then 3 are needed for Quorum regardless of home many are on the BOD. Our Bylaws say a BOD of 3 to 7 so though we prefer 5, we have run as low as 3 with 2 of the 3 being a Quorum.

Oh, I agree. Quorum is based on the number of board positions per your bylaws, filled or unfilled. You divide by two, and then round up to the next whole number.

The problem is that some people believe that you have to recalculate quorum if you have vacant positions, and referencing the remaining 4 positions in his example seems to support that belief. It will further confuse the already confused.
MaxB4
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I was answering the first quesion question of the original post. Others were floating quorum for a annual meeting.
KerryL1 (California)
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In CA, a quorum of the board is whatever the Bylaws say it is (Corp. Code 7211) and if silent, a queue of he board is a majority of it.

Our bylaws, though, state that a quorum is a majority of the directors in office. My HOA Board is 7. If all seats are filled, quorum is 4; if 6 seats are filled, quorum is 4. If there are two vacancies, dropping filled seats to 5, in my HOA, quorum is 3.

Also in CA if quorum is initially established at a board meeting, say 4 of 7, and one must leave, the Board still may conduct business per CA Corps Code 7211 a. (8) and our new Bylaws. So, 3 may conduct biz though a majority of quorum must approve action. This scenario happened just one during my 14 years on the Board. It was a special or emergency meeting of the Board several years ago. Only three could attend and I was very sick with the flu. I attended when the meeting was called to order, was counted at present, and left the meeting right away.

Finally, if only 2 remain, per Corps. Code, those two must vote unanimously for the board to act.

Just for your Sunday AM ruminations.... : )

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