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SusanC20 (California)
Posts: 65
Posted:
Hello all - we approved a large re-roofing project. A special assessment was levied in order to cover the cost. The vendor's contract has a breakdown of payment terms we agree upon. However, in California by law, a down payment cannot exceed 10% of the project price or $1,000, whichever is less. Since the cost is $365K that would mean a down payment of $1,000. However, is this paid prior to the start of the project? Does this mean they must start construction once the $1,000 is paid? How soon after the project beings can they bill their first installment of $60K?

Thanks for any clarification!!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
A down payment secures the contract and the price.
The work will occur when it can be scheduled and materials are available.

I get the indication that you have already signed the contract.

If you have not yet signed the contract, get the answers from the company. Contracts can be modified prior to signing.
I would have payments based on completion goals.
Regardless of what documentation the contractor gives you, I would verify the license and workmans comp insurance is current.

The contractor may be needing the 60K for materials and, perhaps, will be looking at that prior to starting the project.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Max would probably have some good insights to this.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
The 10% or $1000.00, whichever is less applies to residential contracts, not commercial or HOA. The 10% would apply.

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/C/Contractor-Deposit-Limitation

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 200
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 01/04/2023 11:59 AM
Max would probably have some good insights to this.

At a minimum, he'll at least have a snarky comment.
SusanC20 (California)
Posts: 65
Posted:
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Posted By MaxB4 on 01/04/2023 12:04 PM
The 10% or $1000.00, whichever is less applies to residential contracts, not commercial or HOA. The 10% would apply.

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/C/Contractor-Deposit-Limitation


For an HOA then the contractor can charge a down payment of whatever he wants, correct? The 10% limitation does not apply to HOAs, correct?

We have not signed the contract yet and yes they are insured and have worker's comp. They have done projects here for 10 years , including fixing a roof another contractor messed up.

thanks!!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If they have done work for you in the past and you are happy with their work, talk to them.
See what they can adjust for a down payment with payments as sections are completed.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanC20 on 01/04/2023 12:28 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 01/04/2023 12:04 PM
The 10% or $1000.00, whichever is less applies to residential contracts, not commercial or HOA. The 10% would apply.

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/C/Contractor-Deposit-Limitation



For an HOA then the contractor can charge a down payment of whatever he wants, correct? The 10% limitation does not apply to HOAs, correct?

We have not signed the contract yet and yes they are insured and have worker's comp. They have done projects here for 10 years , including fixing a roof another contractor messed up.

thanks!!

Yes, the number could be 10%, but in 14 years of managing an HOA, I've I have never had to put a down payment for work done by a contractor.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think this was about your HOA previously: Some of us advised you to get your HOA attorney's advice and to have them vet the contract given it's size. Did your Board do that?
SusanC20 (California)
Posts: 65
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/04/2023 1:55 PM
I think this was about your HOA previously: Some of us advised you to get your HOA attorney's advice and to have them vet the contract given it's size. Did your Board do that?

We asked our management company to have their attorney review the contract. Instead, they drew up a 23 page new one with ridiculous demands and the contractor would not sign it. I had a friend's real estate attorney review the original one and they agreed we are fine and covered so I plan on signing that one.

thanks!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I really understand how desperate you and your Board are to handle the roofs. Because the contract is so large, I'd say you really need an HOA attorney to review the contract and put his advice in writing. Is your friend's real estate attorney's "OK" in writing? Even if so, I'm worried for you & your Board.

I don't think you want your MC's attorney to review it or write the new one. As you know it's going to be very tough getting any roofers after these rains that are hitting CA every other day.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What is your HOA's insurance role in the roof replacements? Just curious. If you say they are in such bad shape, do they not fall under an insurance claim? Which be careful as some roofers take advantage of this. Verify but don't trust insurance covers.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I know you asked the property manager to check with its attorney, but try not to do that again-ever. At the end of the day, that attorney's loyalty is to the property manager, not you. You need someone who will look out for you.

Regarding your payments, you know you can put down 10%, which is good, but as you go along, you should pay in increments the work is complete, maybe 20%. Don't make the final payment until after the work is inspected, the work areas have been cleaned up and the subcontractors, if any are released from all liens. In fact, read the contract yourself to ensure there's language that prohibits the contractor from doing that. Otherwise you risk subcontractors coming after you if the main contractor doesn't get paid.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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