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BruceD4 (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
This came up because a new house guess is harassing two different homeowners. We have no language in our documents to allow background checks. Personally, I believe this is a homeowner vs homeowner issue and not an HOA issue, but the homeowners claim it’s a nuisance Thanks.

Section 9. Nuisance. It shall be the responsibility of each Owner and Occupant to prevent the development of any unclean, unhealthy, unsightly, or unkept condition on his or her Lot. No Lot on the Property shall be used, in whole or in part, for the storage of any property or thing that will cause a Lot to appear to be in an unclean or untidy condition or that will be obnoxious to the eye; nor shall any substance, thing, or material be kept that will discharge foul or obnoxious odors or that will cause any noise or other condition that will or might disturb the surrounding property. No noxious or offensive activity shall be carried on, on the Property, nor
shall anything be done tending to cause embarrassment, discomfort, annoyance, or nuisance to any person using any property on the Property. In addition, no Owner or Occupant of a Lot may use or allow the use of a Lot or the Common Elements in any manner which creates disturbing noises, including, without limitation, use of stereo speakers or equipment that will in the sole discretion of the Board of Directors interfere with the rights, comfort or convenience of the other Owners or Occupants. There shall not be maintained any plant~ or animals or device or thing of any sort whose activities or existence in any way is noxious, dangerous, unsightly, unpleasant, or of a nature as may diminish or destroy the enjoyment of the Property. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, no horn, whistle, siren, bell, amplifier or other sound device, except for devices as may be used exclusively for security purposes, shall be located, installed or maintained upon the exterior of any Lot unless required by law. However, any siren or device for security purposes shall contain a device which causes it to automatically shut off within
fifteen (15) minutes.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA has no rights to anyone social security number. That would be a no go on the background check for credit. May still maybe a criminal one but even that is limited.

The dispute would be owner vs owner. However the HOA does hold the feet to the ground of the owners if violates the rules.

Former HOA President
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 12/29/2022 11:39 AM
The HOA has no rights to anyone social security number. That would be a no go on the background check for credit. May still maybe a criminal one but even that is limited.

The dispute would be owner vs owner. However the HOA does hold the feet to the ground of the owners if violates the rules.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
HOA do not have the right to tell a homeowner they are not allowed to live in the house that they purchased. Why would they have the right to run a background check? what would you do with that information?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
The question was "Does your HOA conduct background checks on homeowners, renters, and long-term house guess?

I know Florida does it all the time. If they are ok lease agreements then the social security number will be on the form and they will run background checks.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Melissa,

I agree that HOA/COAs have zero right to your SSN. However, per the the social security administration, there is nothing prohibiting business from asking for it. Refusal to provide can result in refusal of service or goods a business might offer (does not necessary apply to government services). There are, in reality, very few times one is required to provide an SSN.

As has been pointed out several times, you don't need an SSN to run a criminal background check. You don't even need an SSN to run a credit check. It can make it easier, but it's not needed.

Bruce,

I agree with you that it's a neighbor v. neighbor issue. The problem with an Association getting involved in the rental process, if not already involved, is:
1) it requires a change in the governing documents (I'm thinking covenants).
2) you need to be very specific in what disqualifies someone from renting, otherwise it could open up litigation against the Association.
3) because you need to be specific, it can disqualify even when there are extenuating circumstances.

For example (and yes, I'm going to an extreme to stress a point):
Note: Georgia specifies that age 16 is the age of consent.

Background check finds an individual of the married couple who wants to rent has a felony for statutory rape.
This may be a dis-qualifier to rent.
However, it's also possible that the individuals involved were ages 16 and 15 at the time and it was the parents who pushed for the charges.
Perhaps, when they were older, the two individuals actually got married to each other and are the ones trying to rent.
If you have a specific dis-qualifier, those details can not be considered.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Bruce, how come you think this harassment does not fall into any of the categories listed in the nuisance clause?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Keep in mind that we have no idea what actions the house guest is doing that the affected owners are calling harassment.
BruceD4 (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Rumor has it that the neighbor who is harassing the 2 homeowners has a DUI on record. Not sure why that matters now.

The board's concern can be found in this article.

https://sjjlawfirm.com/2020/01/16/should-hoas-require-background-checks-for-renters/

In addition to opening the association up to liability, requiring background checks for rentals also has a negative practical effect. In order for an association to maintain eligibility for its Owners to obtain FHA Financing, it must adhere to a number of requirements. That includes prohibiting a number of leasing restrictions, including requiring criminal background or credit checks.

While this may not seem like an important issue for the board to consider, nearly one in five homebuyers in the United States use FHA Financing to purchase their home. Cutting off that funding source could significantly limit the pool of potential buyers, and thus have a negative impact on the property values throughout the association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Say, Bruce, how about describing the contrary of this "harassment." The term is very vague.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Bruce,

Is this an ongoing issue?
The article is from Jan of 2020.

Are you in that Association or just curious what others think on Associations being involved in the rental process?
BruceD4 (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
He yells at them in the parking lot, we are a small 28 unit townhome community. He gives them the finger, stars at them to intimate them. That type of behavior. One of the homeowner he is doing this to is a female and the other is a 80 something year old man who happens to be on the board.
BruceD4 (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I'm on the board. This has been going on for about 5-6 months since me moved in with his girlfriend.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Have them call the police. It is not exactly against the law. However having record of calls may help if it escalated or other things happen.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Nuisance restrictions CC&Rs can be tough to enforce because they can be vague, but IMO this behavior would probably qualify because it's deliberate and being repeated. But the police have more authority and may be more effective at stopping bad behavior. We were told that harassment is getting in someone's face, which the officer we talked to said was 10 feet or less. Yelling from 50 feet away wouldn't fit the legal definition of harassment, at least as it's defined in my area.

But .... it sounds like this person is threatening a lot of people. If he targets specific groups of people that are in a protected class, it will become an HOA issue because of Fair Housing laws.

If this were happening in our community, we'd have a chat with our attorney and see what he said about it. In the meantime, document the heck out of the issue (homeowner complaints in writing, audio and video recordings). Whatever steps you end up taking need to have reasonable evidence to back them up.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
If the offender threatens or acts in a threatening manner, that would be considered assault (at least in Florida) and would be a police matter.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
EmmaF1 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am one of the neighbors who is experiencing threatening behavior from a new house guest. This menace has verbally threatened to kill my husband. He intimidates me by flipping me the bird, “shooting” me with his fingers and grabbing at his crotch. He smokes weed early in the morning out of the garage. Christmas Day he was welding something in his girlfriends garage. Late at night, the menace drags large tree limbs across the parking lot down behind her house.
This house guests has much more than a DUI on his record. In 2020, he was charged with attempted vehicular homicide. He had an extensive rap sheet including assault. He is armed and dangerous.

My husband and I recently had to undergo background checks before we bought a home in Florida. I thought it was a good idea and approached the BOD. I believe in this day and age, we must protect each other by eliminating threats as much as we are able to.

Is there anyone on this forum familiar with GA law and background checks?

Also, I have called the police and there is nothing they can do.
I went to court to file a TRO. They said I had to call the police.
It feels like I am going in circles here.

Please help
EmmaF1 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am one of the neighbors who is experiencing threatening behavior from a new house guest. This menace has verbally threatened to kill my husband. He intimidates me by flipping me the bird, “shooting” me with his fingers and grabbing at his crotch. He smokes weed early in the morning out of the garage. Christmas Day he was welding something in his girlfriends garage. Late at night, the menace drags large tree limbs across the parking lot down behind her house.
This house guests has much more than a DUI on his record. In 2020, he was charged with attempted vehicular homicide. He had an extensive rap sheet including assault. He is armed and dangerous.

My husband and I recently had to undergo background checks before we bought a home in Florida. I thought it was a good idea and approached the BOD. I believe in this day and age, we must protect each other by eliminating threats as much as we are able to.

Is there anyone on this forum familiar with GA law and background checks?

Also, I have called the police and there is nothing they can do.
I went to court to file a TRO. They said I had to call the police.
It feels like I am going in circles here.

Please help
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You have to call the police and file a report. The more proof of the harrassment the more likely you will get a TRO. Without any proof or reports of the behavior supporting your claims, not much can be done. The HOA is not the police. They can't do much. Just because you get a background check it doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime somewhere else or can commit a crime in the future. This is a police problem.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If this person is a houseguest, why hasn't anyone spoken to the owner? Sone of the nuisance clauses I've seen state homeowners can't establish or maintain a condition that prevents others from enjoying their home (aka quiet enjoyment). You should file police reports, but as far as the nuisance part is concerned, you might have grounds for taking legal action against the owner.

Talk to a private attorney about your options, as well as the police (non emergency number). Unfortunately, there may not be a lot you can do about the yelling or bird flipping unless he threatens you or comes onto your property and tries to do something more harmful.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Emma, I suspect the reason the police said they could do nothing is because you have not named any action, witnessed by you, by this neighbor's house guest that crosses the line to either threatening or so persistent that your life is disrupted. The DUI and the attempted vehicular homicide are scary and suggest that you remain vigilant. But according to the justice system and as far as your desires are concerned, these past crimes are not relevant.

For the TRO, was there a hearing? Did you list everything this guy did? Was the guy present at the hearing?

Like Shelia posted, Your best bet may be hiring an attorney and asking what your chances are of getting a restraining order or suing under the nuisance clause. Then listen to the attorney's wisdom. It's possible the attorney would be willing to send a demand letter to the owner of the house and then go to court. This will cost a lot of money and time, with no guarantee of the outcome.

Fair housing also protects you against being harassed because, for one, you are female. Is the crotch grabbing accompanied by anything else that is sexual or sexist? If so, you should raise this with an attorney you meet. You could also file your own fair housing complaint with HUD, at no charge. However, with HUD I do not feel you have a good case at this time. It's better to speak to an attorney about this and add 'hostility on the basis of sex' to the list of reasons this behavior must stop.

If your HOA does not require background checks, then your HOA would have to amend its governing documents. Amendment requires an owner's vote. Also the U. S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has had a lot to say about background checks in recent years, limiting what Georgians and others can do. This is for fair housing reasons pertaining to non-discrimination against certain groups. This means amending the Declaration to require certain background checks is going to be highly limited, per what HUD and Fair Housing Law currently recommends/allows.

There's a very strong argument to say nothing at all and keep to yourselves. Many an attorney has pointed out that sending demand letters to characters like this just stirs up a hornet's nest; starts retaliation; and more. A thick skin may be your best weapon.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
We do not do any checks. Our legal structure gives the ability to evict a tenant in extreme circumstances, which is what your problem sounds like. We have never used it.

Does your hoa have that ability?

We do no checks on renters or houseguests, except to check that leases contain a required clause agreeing to follow all rules. Other than that, its not our business.

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