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LisaW21 (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Our monthly hoa dues cover our trash removal. Our hoa changed trash companies to save money. The new trash company provides cans that each owner must use. We can no longer use our own. There is a $5 charge per trash can per month. Our hoa is limiting the number of trash cans they will cover to 1 per unit. If any owners need an additional trash can, they must pay for the service of that can on their own. We are a family of 4. One trash can is not enough. Does the hoa have the ability to limit the volume of trash they will cover when it states our hoa dues cover trash?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Yes 1 can is reasonable. I doubt anyone expects unlimited trash
However a monthly fee is stupid over 5 years the can is $300
What genius signed that contract???
Recycling or composting paper cardboard reduces most trash volume a lot
My family is 4 as well

vis ta vie
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We only get one trash can where I live. We have many large families. If they want an extra can they have to pay for it by the vendor. Why should the HOA add this to their bill? They say 1 trash can per unit is in the contract. You wanting an additional one is on you. They give you that option. So if they see two trash cans it is not like going to take the extra one away. Just not going to pay for it

My former HOA we had community dumpsters. Which stayed a mess. We had to pay for the recycling in special bins by the dumpster. Separate company.

So what is the problem ?

Former HOA President
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
If I could implement a charge per can or per throw I would. We have a trash chute, and dumpster, and have pickup every day. Trash is one of our biggest expenses.

My family throws out less than one barrel a week. In our last home, we had a barrel and it was rarely even close to full, and we seem to have less trash here.

You need to check the condo docs and state law to see what it says.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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How much trash are you accumulating? Our city switched to trash carts a few years ago and one holds 96 quarts, which is the average size for a family of four. You say the company was changed to save money, so there was probably more at stake than simply giving you one or two trash cans - what did the board tell you when you asked them (you did ask, didn't you?) There are also other expenses your HOA may have and the costs of everything is up, so either you pay more in assessments to cover two cans, buy anot her one or make your one can work.

That said, has your community considered establishing a recycling program? In some communities, people can pay for a recycle bin and put that type of stuff in it and the trash company picks that up. In my mother's city, trash day is one day a week and the recycle bin is another day of the week - the taxes cover all of this. In your case, having a bin for recycling can reduce the amount of trash that goes in the other can.

Ask the board to talk to the company to see what could be done - and in the meantime, you may want to think seriously about the type of packaging your groceries come in - reduce that, and you may reduce the amount of trash that goes in the can even more. And start breaking down the cardboard boxes to make room.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By WendyM5 on 12/19/2022 2:06 AM
Yes 1 can is reasonable. I doubt anyone expects unlimited trash
However a monthly fee is stupid over 5 years the can is $300
What genius signed that contract???
Recycling or composting paper cardboard reduces most trash volume a lot
My family is 4 as well

Rates for the City of Los Angeles is $36.22 or $434.64 per year or $2173.20 over 5 years. Think the $5 a can is a bargain.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Garbage is not covered in our dues at current HOA. Plus not at my former non HOA home. We paid with our utilities. It was $13 a month for weekly pickup. May be free to $5 for recycle. That is picked up every 2 weeks or monthly.

My parents lives in the country. They paid an independent garbage contractor $13 a month.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As long as trash collection is included in one's dues, they will be subject to the BOD decision on serves offered. We use private collection.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By MaxB4 on 12/19/2022 10:49 AM
Posted By WendyM5 on 12/19/2022 2:06 AM
Yes 1 can is reasonable. I doubt anyone expects unlimited trash
However a monthly fee is stupid over 5 years the can is $300
What genius signed that contract???
Recycling or composting paper cardboard reduces most trash volume a lot
My family is 4 as well


Rates for the City of Los Angeles is $36.22 or $434.64 per year or $2173.20 over 5 years. Think the $5 a can is a bargain.

LOL, I pay $40 one time fee for the can, they cost abtou $120 new online. someone's getting ripped off big time.

vis ta vie
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By NA1 on 12/19/2022 7:02 AM
If I could implement a charge per can or per throw I would. We have a trash chute, and dumpster, and have pickup every day. Trash is one of our biggest expenses.

My family throws out less than one barrel a week. In our last home, we had a barrel and it was rarely even close to full, and we seem to have less trash here.

You need to check the condo docs and state law to see what it says.

you should look into cardboard recycling or shredding cardboard is a lot of volume.

vis ta vie
LisaW21 (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Our HOA contract has always been a set rate. Never based off the number of cans. The only exception to that was having bags placed on the ground, not in a trash can. There was an additional service fee to have drivers pick up more than 2 bags by hand. Each owner uses their own trash cans. So yes, it could be seen that we have had unlimited trash services. There are limits to the type of trash. That is not what I am contesting. I'm just talking about basic standard trash.
LisaW21 (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
We are a common interest townhome community. Our dues cover trash, water, sewer, snow removal to list a few. We have small garages attached to our units. Our trash cans stay in our garages. We have never had a community dumpster, nor do any of us want to go down that road. We do not have a recycle service either because every unit must participate, and the community does not want the extra cost.

The problem is we have always had the ability to buy our own trash cans that accommodate the size of our own personal garages. I cannot store the 96 gallon trash can the new company is making us use in my garage. I would not be able to put my vehicles away. I need smaller size trash cans so I can fit my vehicles in my garage. My household accumulates 96 gallons of trash just like everyone else, who has the one 96 gallon can. The smaller size can that fits in my garage is 64 gallons. Because I am not able to store a 96 can, and one 64 is not enough to cover the volume of trash for my family. I now have to pay a fee on my own for the second trash can. I do not think it right the HOA now limits coverage to 1 trash can per unit, when we are dealing with an issue that the 96 gallon can will not fit in everyone's garages. I am feeling forced to have to limit the volume of trash our house hold use to 64 gallons, but we are a fammily of 4 so I need 96 gallons of trash just like others in my community.
LisaW21 (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I was fine letting this additional can issue go until our HOA got a community roll off dumpster to let people clean out clutter in their homes. I can't have my second trash can covered by my hoa dues, but I have to pay hoa dues to get a roll off dumpster to clean out my neighbor's clutter?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Well, things don't always stay the same, no matter how much we want, and you said the board switched companies to save money. I'm sure you aren't the only one who's had to make adjustments, so you will have to learn to live with this or offer to do the research to find another company who will do what you want. That may mean opening your checkbook to cover the extra cost the association assessments will have to cover. You may be happy with that, but what about tbe rest of your neighbors? Will they be willing to pony up just because you want to have a certain sized garbage can?

I understand about the garage. I live in a townhouse community with one car garages and the CCRs state trash cans are supposed to be stored in the garage until pick up day. However, the garages are too small because the community was built in the 1970s when people didn't have steroid sized SUVs and trucks. The trash can in garage rule isn't enforced but you will get a notice if trash spills out all over the neighborhood. People without garages use our dumpsters which already have problems with illegal dumping.

That brings us back to the amount of trash your family is accumulating. In the long run it would be easier if you took a hard look at your habits to see what can be changed. There's too much trash everywhere, so maybe your family can do its part yo reduce it by recycling. Or decluttering - when was the last time you looked at all the stuff in your garage? Get rid of the broken down stuff by recycling it or give it away if it's still usable but you no longer need. Reorganize what's left and you may find you do have room for the 96 gallon trash cart after all.

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If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LisaW21 (Colorado)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Thank you everyone for the advice. We are a 27 unit townhome community built in the early 80's. Garage clutter is not the issue. The size of many 2-car garage units in our community are too small for the dimensions of the 96-gallon trash can. Perhaps if the can was wider than it is deep, the can would work. It sticks out too far from the wall and encroaches into the space for vehicles. Those who have 2 vehicles would not be able to put both cars away. The 64-gallon has much better dimensions, so it does not encroach. When the community had the ability to use our own trash cans, every owner could shop for cans that worked for the space within their own garages. Trash companies are now forcing owners to use company cans with limited options on dimensions. It's almost as if these trash companies forgot to consider the differences in housing developments.

The amount of trash my family uses is no different than my single neighbor who uses the same amount of trash. The only difference is her unit can hold a 96 gallon can and my unit cannot because we have different sf. My garage can hold a 64 gallon, but I need one more to get to 96 gallons for my family usage. Two 48-gallon cans to be exact would be perfect. We are not a wasteful family and very mindful of our usage. We break down our boxes. Everything everyone suggests we do.

We do not have the ability for individual recycling in our townhome community. Contracts are all or nothing. I support recycling and equally was willing to open my check book so our HOA dues could cover that expense. We could all have one regular trash can and one recycling can. I thought it was a win/win for everyone. Recycling would increase our dues, so our community chose not to do it. The extra can I requested to have covered by the HOA still keeps costs lower than what our community was paying before. I did my research to find other companies. I presented them to the Board. The Board had no interest because they signed a contract with the new company. Ending a contract with this trash company, will also result in 25-dollar restocking fee per can.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
The board signed a contract. Only way to change is get on board and then go back to old contract at this point. My family of four only does about 30 gal a week. But we recycle or compost all cardboard

vis ta vie
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
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Posted By LisaW21 on 12/19/2022 9:53 PM
Thank you everyone for the advice. We are a 27 unit townhome community built in the early 80's. Garage clutter is not the issue. The size of many 2-car garage units in our community are too small for the dimensions of the 96-gallon trash can. Perhaps if the can was wider than it is deep, the can would work. It sticks out too far from the wall and encroaches into the space for vehicles. Those who have 2 vehicles would not be able to put both cars away. The 64-gallon has much better dimensions, so it does not encroach. When the community had the ability to use our own trash cans, every owner could shop for cans that worked for the space within their own garages. Trash companies are now forcing owners to use company cans with limited options on dimensions. It's almost as if these trash companies forgot to consider the differences in housing developments.

The amount of trash my family uses is no different than my single neighbor who uses the same amount of trash. The only difference is her unit can hold a 96 gallon can and my unit cannot because we have different sf. My garage can hold a 64 gallon, but I need one more to get to 96 gallons for my family usage. Two 48-gallon cans to be exact would be perfect. We are not a wasteful family and very mindful of our usage. We break down our boxes. Everything everyone suggests we do.

We do not have the ability for individual recycling in our townhome community. Contracts are all or nothing. I support recycling and equally was willing to open my check book so our HOA dues could cover that expense. We could all have one regular trash can and one recycling can. I thought it was a win/win for everyone. Recycling would increase our dues, so our community chose not to do it. The extra can I requested to have covered by the HOA still keeps costs lower than what our community was paying before. I did my research to find other companies. I presented them to the Board. The Board had no interest because they signed a contract with the new company. Ending a contract with this trash company, will also result in 25-dollar restocking fee per can.


Lisa,

We have the same issue with garage space. My HOA does not cover trash service but the private company we use provides recycling so we have one can for trash and one for recycling. We made space in our garage for both containers by parking our 2nd vehicle outside. Is that an option for you? One of our vehicles is an extended cab and has an extra long bed so it wouldn't fit in the garage anyway. In the Winter, we park it off site because we don't drive it much in the Winter. We are a family of two and our trash service allows for every other week pick-up at a reduced price. That has worked out beautifully for us. I have two children so I sympathize with your dilemma. When my children were living at home, we had more trash.

Some of my neighbors place their trash cans outside either on the side of the house or the space on the concrete next to the garage. It is allowed in my HOA and some of the neighborhood homes are townhomes.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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I feel your pain. Luckily when our trash collector went to their provided cans for recycling, they gave everyone 96 gallon cans that were wider than the 18" clearing
for any garage opening to place the cans next to the wall. Our waste hauler does offer smaller 50 gallon cans, but I am on a waiting list for them.
Luckily from all the blowback on these cans our Legislators took up the issue for those of us in HOA's to allow us to put the cans on the side of the house.

Since you are townhouses is there some common element property to erect trash corrals?
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
when I occassionally have more trash I ask my next door neighbors if I cann put the extra in their bin. never ever have they said no.
seriously how hard can it be to walk 40 feet over and put it in someone elses bin?

vis ta vie
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
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Posted By WendyM5 on 12/21/2022 8:27 AM
when I occassionally have more trash I ask my next door neighbors if I cann put the extra in their bin. never ever have they said no.
seriously how hard can it be to walk 40 feet over and put it in someone elses bin?

Only with permission from the neighbor of course. Maybe the neighbor can't fit anymore trash in their container either. I don't see that as a long-term solution but it might work for Lisa. I would be kind of embarrassed to ask my neighbor if I can add my trash to theirs. But I just moved to a new neighborhood and have not become close enough to my neighbors to ask. I think it's kind of a bold move.

I have a dumpster parked across the street almost directly behind my driveway due to construction and believe me I have been tempted to add my moving trash to that dumpster, but I am not paying for it, so I will not do that. We have taken the time to break down the cardboard boxes and taken them to the recycling center. I would have to know my neighbors very well before I would do that.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
trust me your neighbors could care less about it.

vis ta vie

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