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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Our bylaws encourage* us to have a nominations committee, consisting of 1 board member plus 3 or 4 homeowners, to solicit nominations for Board positions.

I'm really confused by this. It's simple enough to send out an e-mail blast to the whole community saying "anyone who wants to run please submit your name", so why do we need a nominations committee? Seems old fashioned to me, like predating the electronic age. Does anyone have any insight to a nominations committee and why we should establish one?

* the by-laws says "shall establish" in some places and "if established" in others, so I can't readily tell if it is required or allowed but not required.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Our board would make a committee of the whole board to be the nominating committee and then publish for volunteers.
Anyone who volunteered was placed on the ballot.
Additionally, our bylaws allowed for nominations from the floor.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
If your bylaws don't specifically state that a Nom. comm. is required, MichaelT, then it is not. it's odd that it would say "2 or 3" owners.

Our old Bylaws required one comprising a director and 2 non-director owners. the Board dutifully appointed one, said meet with the PM when candidates dealing is due and determine if they are owners of record. So that was it: the PM looked up each candidate's status, met with the 3 Nom Comm members and approved them. Our restated bylaws also eliminated nominations form the floor.

I think I read here once that the purpose of requiring such a committee was that while the developer controlled, that firm could pick & choose which owners to place on the Board by eliminating owners they didn't like. Don't know if true, but I cannot think of any other purpose.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
you answered your own question. nominating committees are outdated and useless.

vis ta vie
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
I agree with Michael.

I consider a nominations committee an anachronism from a time in the past.

Frankly, I can see no end of trouble if such a committee does not place on the ballot the name of every eligible candidate who raises a hand and says "I wish to run". Too much opportunity for charges of favoritism and worse.

Our 105-home sub association puts out a call to everyone asking for those interested to submit their name as a candidate. Our 9,300-home master association does the same, with much publicity regarding the responsibilities of the members of the 7-person board, including the considerable time commitment required as each member of the board is also the liaison to one of the committees.

As with Tim, at the annual meeting, nominations from the floor, including self-nominations, are encouraged and welcome.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
California has done away with nominating committees as owners are allowed to self-nominate. We also have to have a set of Elections Rules. The ones I created do not allow for nominations from the floor or write-in candidates.

Since we use secret or absentee ballots, how would a person vote for a person nominated solely from the annual meeting and you don't know if a write-in candidate is willing to serve, and if they are qualified per election rules or bylaws.

BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Max

The association in which we reside, and those we manage, have dealt with your questions as follows:

1. If the nominated person does not confirm they wish to be considered, their name is not placed on the ballot printed prior to the meeting, nor may it be considered if a write in

2. In Texas any owner may be a candidate; most of the eligibility rules other than ownership were eliminated by the Legislature a couple of years ago. We can access the county central appraisal district ownership records during the meeting to determine owner eligibility if necessary.

3. We have delayed announcing the results on two occasions when there were issues which required clarification. States do so, there is no reason an HOA cannot as well.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Our attorney once advised that we as a Board are supposed to talk to the person before we vote them on to the Board.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
A number of Bylaws state the association must or shall have a nominating committee, but Michael sees no need. Most CCRs state an association must or shall have an Architectural Committee, I don't see a need. Let's do away with the ARC.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Posted By MaxB4 on 12/14/2022 5:55 PM
A number of Bylaws state the association must or shall have a nominating committee, but Michael sees no need. Most CCRs state an association must or shall have an Architectural Committee, I don't see a need. Let's do away with the ARC.

It's correct that I "don't see a need" because it seems pointless to have one. However, since our by-laws say that we must or should or might have one, I'm inquiring to find out if indeed we should set one up. I really don't understand how to read out by-laws in this section because it says "the board shall have a nomination committee" and then later says "the nomination committee, if established by the board, ...." The two sentences are in conflict with each other.

Regardless, we will set one up if it is purposeful. I can't see how it is useful in this day and age.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Just do it like we did MichaelT. Will take a total of 10 minutes of time.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/14/2022 6:50 PM
Just do it like we did MichaelT. Will take a total of 10 minutes of time.

Our bylaws just says one director plus 2 or 3 members. All board members are members as well, so it is not incongruent with our by-laws to have the nomination committee be the entire board. I agree that we could take a quick vote and form the nomination committee at a meeting.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 12/14/2022 1:07 PM
Our bylaws encourage* us to have a nominations committee, consisting of 1 board member plus 3 or 4 homeowners, to solicit nominations for Board positions.

I'm really confused by this. It's simple enough to send out an e-mail blast to the whole community saying "anyone who wants to run please submit your name", so why do we need a nominations committee? Seems old fashioned to me, like predating the electronic age. Does anyone have any insight to a nominations committee and why we should establish one?

* the by-laws says "shall establish" in some places and "if established" in others, so I can't readily tell if it is required or allowed but not required.


I had never heard of it until an earlier thread here, and they sound terrible. The only time I could see it being useful is if you can’t get enough candidates, and you want to search for good people to run. But that doesn’t even seem to be their purpose.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Nominating committees are actually prohibited in some states (eg. for Florida condos, I think). Aside from not being needed in many cases, these committees can be misused to discourage certain people from seeking election to the board. You can see where that may lead to.

Our bylaws require a nominating committee. The bylaws also allow nominations from the floor, so there are no barriers for anyone who wants to run. Per our lawyer's recommendation, the three board member make up the committee, and we replace any board member who is planning to run for re-election with one or more homeowners. It's window dressing, and the only reason we do it is because the bylaws say we have to.

I suspect that nominating committees are part of the boilerplate that lawyers use to draft bylaws for new communities, and nobody has thought about getting rid of them before now. If your community is thinking about amending your bylaws, this is a likely candidate for removal.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As we allow nominations, including self nominations, from the floor we see no need to have a Nominating Committee even though our Bylaws call for one. Thus we ignore the requirement.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We don't have a nominating committee but we also don't allow nominations from the floor. We have a nominating committee for another non-profit board I am on but in that case we are very careful about who gets to be on the board. There are always more people who want to be on it than spots. In the HOA on the other hand, we beg people to step up.
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
MichaelT, I started a recent thread on nominating committees a month or so ago. The provision was in our bylaws from the 1970s, and was ignored for decades until this year, when the board formed a nominating committee and then placed ONLY its candidates on the ballot, ignoring a homeowner who had self-nominated.

I see no harm in a NC if it is just to search for good candidates, but when it is a group consisting of majority of board members who nominate only their friends and exclude others, then that's an abuse of the board's authority. The best solution is to eliminate them altogether. Or to specify in your bylaws that other candidates may not be excluded.

After discussion here, I sent a letter to my state delegate recommending a change to state law re nominating committees, to prevent this kind of abuse. The timing was good, because Virginia's next legislative session was approaching, with the deadline for draft bills about a month away. My representative agreed with me, and a bill is in draft right now. The Virginia legislative session starts in January.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By DonnaR5 on 12/15/2022 8:46 AM

After discussion here, I sent a letter to my state delegate recommending a change to state law re nominating committees, to prevent this kind of abuse. The timing was good, because Virginia's next legislative session was approaching, with the deadline for draft bills about a month away. My representative agreed with me, and a bill is in draft right now. The Virginia legislative session starts in January.

Outstanding.

If I still lived in VA, I would write and encourage support of the bill.

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