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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
What are some of the things people (owners/BOD Members) most often misunderstand about your Covenants and/or Bylaws. I will begin:

1. There is a procedure for the BOD to raise yearly assessment/dues as much as the BOD wants to but only once per year.
2. 51% of all owners agreeing to change a Bylaw. Again, 51% of all owners.
3. 2/3rds of all owners agreeing to change a Covenant. Again, 2/3rds of all owners.
4. That any architectural/landscaping change(s) require ACC (BOD) permission.
5. Our HOA covers roof and siding replacement due to normal wear and tear. Damages are on the home owner.

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
1. Board members are different than Officers.
2. Board members are voted on by homeowners, officers are voted on by board members
3. You do not have to be a homeowner to be an officer
4. Officers don't vote, Board members vote.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
1. The difference between Common and Limited Common Elements and which party is responsible for what. In defense of everyone involved, many older association documents are poorly written and do not clearly spell out the distinction.

2. Legislatively mandated changes to the property code supersede language in association documents.

3. Association documents often empower Boards to create rules which themselves are not stated or included in the Declaration

4. It is not necessary to spend money to amend association documents solely to remove references to the Declarant, Classes of Ownership which no longer exist, etc.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
What covenants are and that they even exist.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Along with most of those already mentioned.:

1. Bylaws are not rules about use of the common areas or rules about owner behavior (e.g., no loud noise after 10pm). Rules and Regulations are enteeily different from bylaws. Usually the board can change rules & regs. Usually owners must vote to amend bylaws though we've seen some exceptions here.

2. Board officers MAY not need to be directors. They may not have to owners as per the above. BUT is depends on your bylaws and maybe state statutes.

3. Covenants also are called deed restrictions, CC&Rs, the declaration. In the "hierarchy of documents"; they supersede articles of incorporations, bylaws, and rules & regs.

NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
1. Laws regulating HOAs in other states do not apply here.
2. A survey is not a vote.
3. Your tenant has to follow the same rules as everyone else.
4. A budget is a blueprint. It is not rigid. If something needs to be fixed and we didn't budget for it, we will probably fix it anyway.
5. We can raise the monthly charge. We do not need your vote to do it. We do not raise the monthly charge except when we need to.
6. You cannot fire or call a building vendor or give them instructions. Only the board can do so, or the manager because the board has authorized them to.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If your Association is incorporated (most are) then the applicable corporate statute also applies in addition to the applicable property statute

Statutes change. Trust but verify anyone who references statutes (including attorneys)

Every HOA is different and you can not compare one to another one (apples and oranges thing)

If the corporation is administratively dissolved by the State, it does not mean your HOA does not exist.

One person is not the Association so don't blame the messenger. The Association is ran by majority vote of the Board.

DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BillH10 on 12/05/2022 12:20 PM
1. The difference between Common and Limited Common Elements and which party is responsible for what. In defense of everyone involved, many older association documents are poorly written and do not clearly spell out the distinction.

2. Legislatively mandated changes to the property code supersede language in association documents.

3. Association documents often empower Boards to create rules which themselves are not stated or included in the Declaration

4. It is not necessary to spend money to amend association documents solely to remove references to the Declarant, Classes of Ownership which no longer exist, etc.


Many newer associations’ bylaws are poorly written, as they are usually cut and paste from older ones. The developers don’t GAF about what happens to the community after they leave, so they out little effort into the governing documents.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Yes, and in case of conflict m, the order of precedence is federal law, state law, deed, trust.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
OUR HOA was ONLY responsible for LAWNCARE! (We did have a clubhouse/pool). The HOA paid for everyone's yard to be cut/maintained.

Thinking that the HOA insurance was THEIR insurance. Had a few over the years NOT get homeowner's insurance thinking the HOA covered them.

Sign restrictions were For SALE/RENT only.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
NA1's #5 is very different in different states. Some require that Owners "ratify" the proposed budget. some allow the Board to raise dues at nay time, but have a % limit.

Btw, NA!m what is a "trust?"
JackS20 (North Carolina)
Posts: 271
Posted:
any phrase in the docs that starts with Wherefore or Therefore.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
They are the HOA.

They have the ability to control who serves on the board.

The obligation to pay assessments is absolute and not dependent on receiving services or being able to access amenities.

Assessments can go up.

The cost of maintenance increases as the community ages.

The continued presence of a violation doesn’t mean the board has ignored it.

People who don’t respect their community and property enough to take care of it are also not going to respect a letter from the HOA asking them to take care of it.

Most people who get violation letters throw them in the garbage unopened.

I have no way of knowing whose dog poop that is.

I can’t stop people from driving faster than you want them to.

It really does cost that much to _________.

You really aren’t the only person in the neighborhood to ever get a violation letter.

I’m not singling you out, I don’t even know who you are.

Threatening to sell your house is not the own you think it is.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 12/05/2022 5:24 PM
They are the HOA.

They have the ability to control who serves on the board.

The obligation to pay assessments is absolute and not dependent on receiving services or being able to access amenities.

Assessments can go up.

The cost of maintenance increases as the community ages.

The continued presence of a violation doesn’t mean the board has ignored it.

People who don’t respect their community and property enough to take care of it are also not going to respect a letter from the HOA asking them to take care of it.

Most people who get violation letters throw them in the garbage unopened.

I have no way of knowing whose dog poop that is.

I can’t stop people from driving faster than you want them to.

It really does cost that much to _________.

You really aren’t the only person in the neighborhood to ever get a violation letter.

I’m not singling you out, I don’t even know who you are.

Threatening to sell your house is not the own you think it is.

Amusing and spot on!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Good ones from a Community Manager's perspective, Barbara.

Say, do Owners ever ask you about "covenants" or "bylaws?"
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 12/05/2022 5:44 PM
Good ones from a Community Manager's perspective, Barbara.

Say, do Owners ever ask you about "covenants" or "bylaws?"

There’s often confusion between the two; people often think “bylaws” are all the community rules. I don’t want to get into a pedantic argument with them, so I usually just refer to “the governing documents”.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The confusion between bylaws and re elks shows up a lot here too. Right other main confusion is form bylaws and is the difference between directors & officers.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnT38 on 12/05/2022 5:38 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 12/05/2022 5:24 PM
They are the HOA.

They have the ability to control who serves on the board.

The obligation to pay assessments is absolute and not dependent on receiving services or being able to access amenities.

Assessments can go up.

The cost of maintenance increases as the community ages.

The continued presence of a violation doesn’t mean the board has ignored it.

People who don’t respect their community and property enough to take care of it are also not going to respect a letter from the HOA asking them to take care of it.

Most people who get violation letters throw them in the garbage unopened.

I have no way of knowing whose dog poop that is.

I can’t stop people from driving faster than you want them to.

It really does cost that much to _________.

You really aren’t the only person in the neighborhood to ever get a violation letter.

I’m not singling you out, I don’t even know who you are.

Threatening to sell your house is not the own you think it is.


Amusing and spot on!

I agree. Best post yet on the subject.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
We have 650 homes, with 200 in a section reserved for 55+. There is a large clubhouse/pool for the entire community, and a separate clubhouse and pool for the 55+ community. The misunderstandings about all of this are almost limitless. Common ones:

* Folks over the age of 55, but not in the 55+ community, are convinced they ought to be able to use the 55+ pool.

* Although the 55+ community pays an additional assessment for their amenities, almost everyone thinks common assessments are used to pay for the 55+ amenities.

* A majority of our board members, let alone residents, are convinced they can use the 55+ assessments for common expenses.

DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Honestly, most of our residents have never read and have no idea the difference between Covenants, Bylaws, and Rules; so they don't even know enough to misunderstand any of it. As a new community, the biggest misunderstands to me are the roles of the Developer (a large local construction company that only recently got involved in residential work), the Builder (a well-known, national, home builder that has the exclusive rights to building homes here), the property manager, and the board.

Most assume the Builder is who built the clubhouses (No, the developer did that) and is responsible for maintenance of our common grounds (No, the developer is responsible for that but eventually it will be the Association.) They also think the property manager should make repairs to our common elements (Nope, still the developer.) Many think that our on-site property manager is a fellow resident and don't realize she is a paid employee.

When I was on the board I created a Welcome Committee to meet every new resident and explain all of this. Unfortunately, new owners are so overwhelmed with the move that they don't seem to absorb any of the information they are given.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Funny I am going through that now David .. we got a $25 special assessment out of the blue yesterday. No clue why. Still developer controlled with a bad MC...

The neighbors are now got a wake up call of how HOA works... Having a few huffing and puffing... One was like let's get a lawyer!

I am working on slowing the steamroller of discontent.Baby steps... Right now working getting rid of the PM at changeover... I may do a few education posts on the rules...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
FYI

I was one of the original buyers in our patio home HOA. As part of the sale process the Declarant had a potential buyer sign for a copy of and initial each page of the Covenants, Bylaws, and R&R's. As time goes on our issues are rarely with original buyers. The problems are more with 2nd or later buyers. Claiming they did not get a copy of the docs and/or the seller said so and so, and/or the real estate agent said so and so. The prime claim being the real estate agent said so and so when I asked them. Real estate agents are the cause of more grief for us grief then any others.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 12/05/2022 4:52 PM
NA1's #5 is very different in different states. Some require that Owners "ratify" the proposed budget. some allow the Board to raise dues at nay time, but have a % limit.

Btw, NA!m what is a "trust?"

Legal structure commonly used, at least in MA and I assume other states, to administer the assets of the condo. Building, cash, etc. Owners of units are beneficiaries of the trust.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thelanguage of "trust" isn't commonly used in CA, if at all, and maybe not in many states. You're right to point out there's lots of variation among states.

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