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MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Is it common to charge an entrance fee for indoor/outdoor garage parking space to new owners? Something like the one-time capital initiation fee that new condo owners may be charged. This capital initiation fee goes to the Reserver Fund account.
My Condo Association is working on the 2023 budget, and they examine garage parking space entrance fee for new owners as a means to reinforce the Reserve fund account.

Thank you!
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
I am a little surprised that we are in December and your condo board is working on the 2023 budget. I would think that the condo owners would be given a draft to look over and have a comment period and then the condo board votes on the budget.

As for charging new owners to pay extra is an interesting question. Should associations charge new owners extra money called "move in charges"
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I guess you're saying that spaces aren't deeded to owners? That the HOA assigns them, maybe?

What do your convents or maybe Bylaws say about how these space should be dealt with?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I guess you're saying that spaces aren't deeded to owners? That the HOA assigns them, maybe?

What do your covenents or maybe Bylaws say about how these space should be dealt with?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I don't know if it's common, but as Michael notes, it's an interesting idea. New owners often get caught up in having to pay special assessments shortly after moving in because the current and previous owners didn't do their job in funding the reserves properly.

Reserves could be thought of as a type of user fee to cover all the wear and tear the current owners put on the stairs, elevators, concrete in the parking lot, etc., so when the time comes to replace those components, the reserves are there to help pay for it. When someone sells a unit, the new owner shouldn't have to pay for what happened before he or she arrived, but start paying reserves to begin to cover their use of the components. Instead, people scream about "low assessments" and then leave before the horse, pig and dog dookey hits the fan

Remember Surfside? (second time I've written that today).

All of that said, you and your neighbors still need to start funding your reserves properly, so if that's been a problem, your assessments are probably too low, so prepare to open your pocketbook instead of putting all the pressure on the new owners who didn't create the problem.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have a "buy in" to our community that is called the capital contribution. Ours is $1500 due at closing. It is perfectly legal in HOAs in Florida, not sure about condos.

You might think about renaming the fee if you do decide to impose it. Call is something more generic than a parking fee - because who wants to buy a place and then have to pay for parking? It's all about perception.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 12/05/2022 5:48 AM
I don't know if it's common, but as Michael notes, it's an interesting idea. New owners often get caught up in having to pay special assessments shortly after moving in because the current and previous owners didn't do their job in funding the reserves properly.

And, to me, it sounds like the OPs Association did the same thing and wants the same thing - new owners to pay because they don't want to raise assessments to properly fund the reserves.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 12/05/2022 7:32 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 12/05/2022 5:48 AM
I don't know if it's common, but as Michael notes, it's an interesting idea. New owners often get caught up in having to pay special assessments shortly after moving in because the current and previous owners didn't do their job in funding the reserves properly.


And, to me, it sounds like the OPs Association did the same thing and wants the same thing - new owners to pay because they don't want to raise assessments to properly fund the reserves.

4

Yup.

And unless they have a slew of new homeowners every year, this won't work. Guesx 5geyll have to do it the hard way and adjust assessments to fund the reserves properly. Or do a one time special to raise at least some of the money. Don't know how soon they'll need to tap reserves for a major project like roof replacement, but they better fasten their seat belts- this could get really bumpy.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Our capital contribution is NOT used for reserves. It goes into the extra cash we have in operating budget. We only fund our reserves out of monthly assessments based on our reserve study.

I think using the capital contributions for reserves is more common in condo associations. Our condo sub-associations have perpetually underfunded reserves.
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
MichaelS56,
You are not the only one being surprised with the board's budgeting process; lot of our owners are surprised as well!
In regard to the condo owners, we hold a budget meeting in December on a date and time decided by the Council (as per our Code of Regulations). The proposed budget is distributed at least 10 days before such meeting to each unit owner entitled to vote.

We do not have such charges for new owners moving in.

Thank you for your time and input!

MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
KerryL1,

This is correct! The Rules and Regulations state that the Council assigns parking spaces to resident unit owners or occupants on an annual basis.
There is no reference of charging any extra fees but the monthly parking space rent.

Thanks for your time!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
SheliaH,

This is exactly the case here. Previous councils had not placed the proper attention to the reserve fund account. I have been in this community for the last 8 years and we had two assessments due to critical level of the reserve fund. The monthly assessments had been low until 2021 when the new council started to look further into the situation. Of course, our 2021 and 2022 monthly assessments got higher in order to catch up what it was not done previously and build our reserve fund account. The council is looking to any feasible way to generate additional income for the reserves; they have increased the capital contribution initiation fee and now they are considering the garage parking entrance fee for the new owners.

This year in summer we had a Reserve Study with onsite visit. It was the best thing that ever happened to us! We have a clear picture what needs to be done and where we stand.

Thank you for your thoughts and interest!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
LoriM15,

Great suggestion!

Thank you very much!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
TimB4,

It seems quite logical your view!
A substantial (perhaps above 18%) increase in the monthly assessment, could create hardships on a number of unit owners especially under the current economic climate and they are searching for new resources of funds.

Thank you for your thoughts!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
SheliaH,

About 18 units are sold on a yearly basis. Actually, we are replacing our roof next year and the cost will be covered by the reserves.
Though, we still need to build the reserves for future capital projects.

All good points, Shelia! Thank you!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
LoriM15,

Very interesting!

What is the % of the monthly assessment that covers your reserve fund?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I understand wanting to find other ways to raise money, but since the owners are footing the bill anyway, that should be accompanied by a hard look at expenses. If you're on the board, you may want to review the last 3-5 years and see which line items have risen the fastest and figure out why. Inflation is always a factor, but you might have to consider switching vendors to get a bigger bang for the buck. In a few cases, owners may want to consider if they want to keep certain services or take on certain responsibilities themselves - that will likely require a change in the documents, which requires homeowner approval.

Insurance has spiked big time because of natural disasters like hurricanes - and man-made disasters like the Surfside business. Every condo and HOA is going to see a jump in the master insurance coverage, some more than others, if they haven't already seen the change. Have a powwow with your agent to see if there are risk areas you need to pay special attention to or if the association may want to increase its deductible.

And then there's wear and tear - people can be harder on certain elements because they figure the association will cover it, forgetting they ARE the association and any increased costs due to homeowner abuse or neglect will hit their pocketbook sooner or later. An education campaign may be helpful in reminding people of things like:

Don't put heavy trash in the dumpsters - the city won't pick it up and the association has to pay to have this crap hauled away
Clean up after your dog - the poop stinks, can carry disease and attract vermin and kill the grass, and the association will have to pay to have it replaced.
The parking lot is not the same as an auto mechanic garage - stop doing oil changes out there! The oil will drop on the pavement and damage it, and then the association will have to pay to fix the potholes and possibly resurface the area sooner than later (we will already have to do that because it's addressed in the reserve study)

Keep the homeowners informed of all of this and encourage suggestions. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mary

It is not uncommon for an association to have a "buy in" fee for new buyers. Typically 1/2 to one per cent of sales price.
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
JohnC46,

I certainly understand this particular fee. I was surprised when they council started talking about the garage parking "entrance fee" of $250 for new owners for the spot they are assigned; I had never heard of such fee. This is a new fee!

Thank you for your time!
MaryP24 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 68
Posted:
SheliaH,

As always, your suggestions are very insightful! I have been reading a lot of your comments on other topics!

I appreciate your input very much as well of other individuals of this forum with years of experience in HOAs matters!

Our association has been lucking transparency; we have long ways to improve but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Say, Mary, once again, what do your governing documents say about the parking areas? Only that assn. assigns them? Or something else?

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