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JudyrosellaE
Posts: 57
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Happy Post-Thanksgiving!

I have a new question. How do HOA's normally keep up with changes in the law that impact HOA's?

I accidentally learned that a new law says HOA's "shall" write up a policy regarding solar panels. It's a new law saying they have to be allowed. In looking at other HOA's in my area, I see that they have already hired a lawyer to write up their policy, and filed it with the Records Office.

Is there a mailing list or something to let HOA boards know about new laws, or is up to us to keep tabs on changes in the law?

Judy
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
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Your management company should be guiding you.

If they are not, maybe you need a new management company

ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
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Your management company should be guiding you.

If they are not, maybe you need a new management company

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our MC use to inform our Board about new laws at the ned of each year, but stopped for unknown reasons.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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I would say your management company, but ours has been tripped up with new laws they were not aware of. Then I started attending weekly legal briefings regarding new laws and learned of lots of new laws that the property management company was unaware of. Of course, they refuse to admit and pretend that they knew about the law for some time, but for some reason had missed telling just our HOA about it.

The answer to your question is - I have no idea. I am sure there are many laws that we are not following and not familiar with.
JudyrosellaE
Posts: 57
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Posted By ArtB1 on 11/27/2022 7:44 PM
Your management company should be guiding you.

If they are not, maybe you need a new management company


Oh, my. We don't have one. We're just 28 units with some volunteers trying to be a Board. Sorry to put it that way.


Judy
JudyrosellaE
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 11/27/2022 7:53 PM
I would say your management company, but ours has been tripped up with new laws they were not aware of. Then I started attending weekly legal briefings regarding new laws and learned of lots of new laws that the property management company was unaware of. Of course, they refuse to admit and pretend that they knew about the law for some time, but for some reason had missed telling just our HOA about it.

The answer to your question is - I have no idea. I am sure there are many laws that we are not following and not familiar with.

How do I find out about these weekly legal briefings in my state?

My city doesn't offer any help at all.

j
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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Go to your state laws. Minnesota has 515B, and 515a and lists all of the laws that pertain to townhomes and condos. Go to the Federal laws such as ADA, Fair Housing act etc, look at city ordinances.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By JudyrosellaE on 11/27/2022 7:38 PM
Happy Post-Thanksgiving!

I have a new question. How do HOA's normally keep up with changes in the law that impact HOA's?

I accidentally learned that a new law says HOA's "shall" write up a policy regarding solar panels. It's a new law saying they have to be allowed. In looking at other HOA's in my area, I see that they have already hired a lawyer to write up their policy, and filed it with the Records Office.

Is there a mailing list or something to let HOA boards know about new laws, or is up to us to keep tabs on changes in the law?

Judy

you don't need a lawyer to write up any policy. just make one like
the HOA allows solar panels on the roof of the house as long as they are permitted and inspected and meet NEC code 2022. Ground mount solar panels are only allowed behind a home and the back yard must be fenced.

vis ta vie
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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just call up a lawyer who specialized in hoa law (most are clueless and just wnat your money)

say you are looking to foreclose on some unit or sue someone or might sue someone in the future, or any phrase that makes them think you will hire them, and are looking for a new lawyer and ask him what the new hoa laws are in your state if any. you can also call up your local bar association and get recommendations for attourneys that specizlize in hoa stuff.

lastly you can sign up for monthly lawyer services called prepaid legal, pretty cheap and you can quite any time. most people forget to quit so they make money that way.

vis ta vie
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Posted By JudyrosellaE on 11/27/2022 8:00 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 11/27/2022 7:53 PM
I would say your management company, but ours has been tripped up with new laws they were not aware of. Then I started attending weekly legal briefings regarding new laws and learned of lots of new laws that the property management company was unaware of. Of course, they refuse to admit and pretend that they knew about the law for some time, but for some reason had missed telling just our HOA about it.

The answer to your question is - I have no idea. I am sure there are many laws that we are not following and not familiar with.


How do I find out about these weekly legal briefings in my state?

My city doesn't offer any help at all.

j

Ours are offered by an HOA attorney firm as part of a sales effort to gain clients. I have no idea what resources are available in Illinois. As a private corporation, your city will be of zero help whatsoever.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
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Property managers are very helpful in this area.

If you don't have one, a board member can always subscribe to Google email alerts and have articles sent to them that contain keywords like "HOA laws" and your location.

You can also check blogs on HOA lawyers websites in your area. Make sure to do this regularly though, perhaps every other week.

This site also has some helpful HOA law updates: https://www.condocontrol.com/blog/new-condo-and-hoa-laws-for-us-states/
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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In our area the HOA law firms do online webinars at least monthly that are free to join (they are looking for business) and they discuss changes in the laws. I find it very helpful.

Our attorney that we have on retainer (costs less then $500 per year) also updates us on important things.

Be careful with your solar policy. Many states now have very strict regulations about what you can and can't tell homeowners that they can do with their solar panels. I would do an internet search and find another HOA's policy in your state, adapt it for your community and run it by an attorney.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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In our area the HOA law firms do online webinars at least monthly that are free to join (they are looking for business) and they discuss changes in the laws. I find it very helpful.

Our attorney that we have on retainer (costs less then $500 per year) also updates us on important things.

Be careful with your solar policy. Many states now have very strict regulations about what you can and can't tell homeowners that they can do with their solar panels. I would do an internet search and find another HOA's policy in your state, adapt it for your community and run it by an attorney.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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As an MC, we consider it one of our responsibilities to advise our clients of changes to the property code and other laws with affect them. Few, if any, of our client board members are attuned to changes in the law which affect associations.

In our area, and perhaps across the state of Texas, CAI publishes a synopsis and verbatim copy of changes implemented by the Texas Legislature. At least one attorney in the state who specializes in HOA and Condominium law does the same.

Since the Legislature meets in regular session only in odd-numbered years, we generally have to deal with this every 24 months or so, depending on the effective date of the changes.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Typically there are news articles out before the laws take effect.

Additionally, as has been pointed out, many law firms and MCs will inform their clients as a courtesy/service.

Sometimes, it's one individual on the board who takes the time be keep up on this stuff and inform the board (hopefully with a working draft of any documents required to comply with the new or changed statutes).
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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I agree with Lori and do not agree with Wendy about the solar panels. Seek the advice of counsel regarding installation guidelines, then develop and implement an association policy including ACC application guidelines and an approval process.

While Texas has mandated in the property code HOAs cannot prohibit the installation of solar panels on the roof, some aspects of the installation are left to the discretion of the association if the efficiency of the panels is not compromised. I do not know if yard mounted panels are subject to the same restrictions. Condos were not addressed at all.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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best solar panel policy is to approve them in all cases. they are good for the environment and with so many HOA's having policies that are bad for the environment we need as many solar panels as possible.

vis ta vie
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I know a lot of people don't like CAI (Community Association Institute), but this is what some of their chapters do (some better than others). You might want to check the website to see what's in your area.

In fact, it would appear your board could use a lot of education on HOA issues, which is one reason I often recommend CAI. They do have lots of education materials for new and experienced HOA board members (and homeowners for that matter who would like more background on best practices for HOA boards). In addition to assorted books, there are also seminars - some may be live in your others and I believe there are online webinars available. Your community might consider getting a group membership so all of you can get some education.

Otherwise, get a HOA attorney, as Wendy and several others have suggested. The bar association may be able to give you referrals to some in your area and you can speak to them to see who you're most comfortable with. I'd like for someone who has some sort of board member education available (our previous attorney did an annual dinner/education presentation for its clients).

And since you're wondering about the law, Google can be your friend - look up the state legislature website in your state and start pointing and clicking. Better yet, this could be something you ask your local representative to do (they may even have a newsletter you can subscribe to that provides updates on all sorts of information.)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Shelia, Tim posted some CAI materials on one of Judy's other posts and, imo, the Board Members Toolkit is invaluable for learning about HOAs.

In my state too, as also mentioned, a large HOA law firm puts on frequent webinars open to anyone at no cost.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Shelia, Tim posted some CAI materials on one of Judy's other posts and, imo, the Board Members Toolkit is invaluable for learning about HOAs.

In my state too, as also mentioned, a large HOA law firm puts on frequent webinars open to anyone at no cost.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Lori & BillH,Judy, ignore Wendy on this this topic. And even though IL requires HOAs write a solar policy, do not spend the money for an attorney's help on this until someone in your HOA actually applies. Your HOA is responsible for roofs and a policy must include protection of them, etc. To install one can be very expensive for owners.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 11/27/2022 7:53 PM
I would say your management company, but ours has been tripped up with new laws they were not aware of. Then I started attending weekly legal briefings regarding new laws and learned of lots of new laws that the property management company was unaware of. Of course, they refuse to admit and pretend that they knew about the law for some time, but for some reason had missed telling just our HOA about it.

The answer to your question is - I have no idea. I am sure there are many laws that we are not following and not familiar with.

Weekly legal briefings? For a pwrson with no time.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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if you are in a condo there are solar panel mounts that do not require roof penetrations. or you can require them to use standing seam metal roofs which work with S! clips so no roof penetrations are needed.

vis ta vie
JudyrosellaE
Posts: 57
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Posted By MarshallT on 11/28/2022 6:41 AM
Property managers are very helpful in this area.

If you don't have one, a board member can always subscribe to Google email alerts and have articles sent to them that contain keywords like "HOA laws" and your location.

You can also check blogs on HOA lawyers websites in your area. Make sure to do this regularly though, perhaps every other week.

This site also has some helpful HOA law updates: https://www.condocontrol.com/blog/new-condo-and-hoa-laws-for-us-states/

Thanks! Good suggestions!
JudyrosellaE
Posts: 57
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Posted By LoriM15 on 11/28/2022 7:21 AM
In our area the HOA law firms do online webinars at least monthly that are free to join (they are looking for business) and they discuss changes in the laws. I find it very helpful.

Our attorney that we have on retainer (costs less then $500 per year) also updates us on important things.

Be careful with your solar policy. Many states now have very strict regulations about what you can and can't tell homeowners that they can do with their solar panels. I would do an internet search and find another HOA's policy in your state, adapt it for your community and run it by an attorney.

Our state law says HOAs cannot deny solar panel installations but can be involved in placement, provided they can operate ok. Another HOA in our town did file an amendment with the stipulating that they have to be involved in selecting an installation company BUT that they will NOT allow windmills or composting. We can't have chickens, either. I thought that was kind of amusing. I'm all for solar. I can't afford it but had been assuming HOAs could ban them. I was happy to learn they HAVE to allow them.
Judy
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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This, children, is why it's a good idea to review your documents every 5-7 years to see what should be added, dropped, or tweaked. You don't have to address EVERYTHING that comes up in HOA land (most folks already ignore what's there). Since most documents do give Boards the authority to draft additional rules, they can use that flexibility to address e-bikes (from another conversation), solar panels, or whatever. The demographics of your community and its priorities will be your guide - some won't give a hoot about anything, and others are gung-ho about solar panels.

As a practical matter, the more rules you have, the more time and resources you'll need to enforce them, so don't enact the rule if you're unwilling to do so consistently and fairly.
Your common sense really should kick in on some of these things, especially when you establish what you think will be useful, only for the city or state to enact something that will flip that rule on its head.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By SheliaH on 11/29/2022 9:15 AM
This, children, is why it's a good idea to review your documents every 5-7 years to see what should be added, dropped, or tweaked.

yes mommy. please don't give me a time out, our hoa's never had their docs updated in 20+ years. Our docs said during the first 20 years we needed 90% approval to make changes is probably the stupidest rule ever and why it hasn't been done yet. now we only have to get 75% which is still gonna be near impossble.

vis ta vie
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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As the owner of a management company in California, one of the services we provide is updating our clients on any new laws going into effect at the beginning of the year. We will email blast all board members and post a video on our website of the new changes that would be available to any board member or homeowner that wishes to view.

That takes care of my clients, what about the 30,000 self managed HOA's in California, how do they stay on top of new legislation? My daughter and I have been doing research over the past year and have found that these self managed HOA are only using what's in their current (ages old) governing docs.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By JudyrosellaE on 11/27/2022 7:58 PM
Posted By ArtB1 on 11/27/2022 7:44 PM
Your management company should be guiding you.

If they are not, maybe you need a new management company



Oh, my. We don't have one. We're just 28 units with some volunteers trying to be a Board. Sorry to put it that way.


Judy

Judy,

It's really not reasonable to expect a self-managed and small HOA board to track many new state laws. Do your best. Regarding solar panels, you'd learn about the law when you try to force someone not to install them. The lawyer, eventually, will tell you. Just do your best.

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